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    $500 to spend on speakers for active setup. suggestions?

    Earlier I posted a thread about installing a new comp set into the stock locations of my car because I don't want to have custom kicks anymore in my limited space. The stock locations are mid in the kick panel firing towards the occupants feet and tweeter in the door sail. It seems like going active will be the best thing to do to help out my poor install locations. What I need for my active setup is..

    I will have a 75watts x 4 for the setup.
    5.25" Mid and 1" Soft Dome Tweeter
    Preferably a mid with favorable off-axis response
    I listen to almost entirely hip hop so I like a fairly bright tweeter for the snares and claps, but not too much to where I blink every time a snare hits. I have been happy with the tweeters from my RE RE comps.

    Right now the cost effectiveness and my mild ocd always making me want to buy the same brand has me leaning towards Peerless HDS Exclusive or Nomex and Peerless 810921's after reading some reviews, but I by no means have to keep them both the same brand.

    Lemme know if I have left anything out. Thanks.



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    Re: $500 to spend on speakers for active setup. suggestions?

    There's a great thread you should read.

    http://www.caraudio.com/forum/showthread.php?t=236587



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    Re: $500 to spend on speakers for active setup. suggestions?

    Quote Originally Posted by DejaWiz View Post
    There's a great thread you should read.

    http://www.caraudio.com/forum/showthread.php?t=236587
    I had already read that thread, thanks. It seems like my needs are different then his?



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    Re: $500 to spend on speakers for active setup. suggestions?

    Gotcha. Have you checked out links specified by MiniVan in that thread?



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    Re: $500 to spend on speakers for active setup. suggestions?

    Quote Originally Posted by DejaWiz View Post
    Gotcha. Have you checked out links specified by MiniVan in that thread?
    yep.

    I do have another question that I am confused about. I don't understand how the powering works on an active setup. Like the amp that I intend to use will do 75x4 or bridged to 230x2. Will a similar active setup with the 75x4 be able to keep up with a passive setup that can handle being powered by the 230x2?



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    Re: $500 to spend on speakers for active setup. suggestions?

    Quote Originally Posted by niqnak View Post
    yep.

    I do have another question that I am confused about. I don't understand how the powering works on an active setup. Like the amp that I intend to use will do 75x4 or bridged to 230x2. Will a similar active setup with the 75x4 be able to keep up with a passive setup that can handle being powered by the 230x2?

    That's going to depend on the speakers used and how they are installed.



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    Re: $500 to spend on speakers for active setup. suggestions?

    In most cases 75 watts will not be as loud as 230 watts.

    However, 75 watts in most cases is enough to get most 5 1/4" speakers to full excursion, if not over excursion.

    The Exclusive is one such driver that will do well off of 75 watts @ 4 ohms, which will translate to about 50 watts @ 8 ohms (the Exclusive is an 8 ohm driver).

    For a tweeter, there are a ton of options. First, if you go with the Exclusives, the LPG, the Vifa XT25 (small format), or the XT19 (Alpine variant from PacParts). I like the XT19 just because it's extremely cheap, with big budget sound. It will also match up very well with the Exclusive. The LPG 26NFA (aluminum dome) is a can't miss tweeter. Depends on how much you really want to spend. If you can mount your tweeters on-axis, the XT19 is hard to beat. For off-axis mounting, (i.e. firing across, but in front of you), the LPG is where you should look.

    As for power, you can either run the 75 x 4, or you can bridge to the 230 watts, (which is awfully excessive for the Exclusives), and get a small 50x2, or 75x2 amp for the tweeters.

    If you want to save even more money, the Dayton RS150, mated with a pair of Seas Neo aluminums would be a great option. For a bit over $100.00 total for drivers, you'd have big budget sound, at a bargain price.



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    Re: $500 to spend on speakers for active setup. suggestions?

    Im ashamed of you for not plugging my OWIIs







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    Re: $500 to spend on speakers for active setup. suggestions?

    Quote Originally Posted by 6spdcoupe View Post
    Im ashamed of you for not plugging my OWIIs




    You selling some?

    I rarely suggest high priced drivers to people I don't know. Plus, I haven't heard the OWIIs. Ocuriel was running them locally for a while if I remember correctly but haven't had a chance to listen to them. Last time I saw him he was taking his mids out and putting them in my car.

    By the way, do you sell them in your shop?



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    Re: $500 to spend on speakers for active setup. suggestions?

    Quote Originally Posted by MiniVanMan View Post
    You selling some?

    I rarely suggest high priced drivers to people I don't know. Plus, I haven't heard the OWIIs. Ocuriel was running them locally for a while if I remember correctly but haven't had a chance to listen to them. Last time I saw him he was taking his mids out and putting them in my car.

    By the way, do you sell them in your shop?

    I am.

    I was gonna give em a round of play, but didnt want to do all the needed modifications just to 'try em out'. I most likely would have loved em as most do, but then my manufacturers that I also rep for would have been severely upset.

    I dont, I still think ellis is prolly the best to get em from.




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    Quote Originally Posted by 6spdcoupe View Post
    I am.

    I was gonna give em a round of play, but didnt want to do all the needed modifications just to 'try em out'. I most likely would have loved em as most do, but then my manufacturers that I also rep for would have been severely upset.

    I dont, I still think ellis is prolly the best to get em from.
    They are the one high priced tweeter I've contemplated picking up. I'm such a cheap bastard though, that I never did. I have dash locations I can run a large format in, but when I tried it, the reflections off the windshield were horrendous. So, any thought of running any Hiquphons went out the window.



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    Well thats no good , but its a minivan.




































    Its all good, I have one too.




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    Re: $500 to spend on speakers for active setup. suggestions?

    Are there any particular mids that might do a better job in my particular location? (in the kick panels firing straight at the occupants' feet)



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    Re: $500 to spend on speakers for active setup. suggestions?

    Quote Originally Posted by DejaWiz View Post
    That's going to depend on the speakers used and how they are installed.
    Like i said the install would be the same in either setup. 5.25 mid in the kick panel and a tweeter in the door sail. If i go with a passive setup I am most leaning towards Dynaudio Esoteric System 222's.



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    Re: $500 to spend on speakers for active setup. suggestions?

    Quote Originally Posted by niqnak View Post
    Are there any particular mids that might do a better job in my particular location? (in the kick panels firing straight at the occupants' feet)
    Do you mean, the drivers will not be aimed upwards and towards you?

    If I read you right, you're going to be extremely off-axis, and that's not good. That changes tweeter selection quite a bit, and will limit you to a tweeter capable of a low frequency response, like the Seas Neo. Other tweeters that will fit the bill are pretty expensive, like the better Rainbow tweets, i.e. the Cal28, and Cal27.

    Please clarify how the 5 1/4" drivers will be aimed.



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    Want to understand your passive crossover a little better??

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