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    3way vs 2way

    What difference does having that extra 4" driver make?

    I saw where steve meade has a 3 way setup in his tahoe and I was going to do mine close to the same way with the 4s and tweet in the a-pillar.
    Reason why I looked into a 3way system is b/c I thought it may give my front stage more output to kinda keep up with my SX18. I had looked at some JL Audio 3ways and I liked those but pretty pricey of course.

    I was just curious to how much better it makes it all sound, if any at all.
    If it is better staging then maybe someone can point me to a good set of 3ways.

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    Re: 3way vs 2way

    3 way gives you the ability to put the midranges in the kicks (the midrange is where most meat of the music is coming from) and hence reducing the path length difference hence a better focused image and deeper staging. i'd recommend it if you can do it. as far as good 3 way components, i'm sure you can do a quick search and find something people like.



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    Re: 3way vs 2way

    this is in a sticky you've been around long enough to know that



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    Quote Originally Posted by snb778
    I feel like when im bumpin once it gets dark....the street lights often go out. I was driving home the other night and like 3 street lights went out in like 15 minutes.
    Does this happen a lot to any of you??
    Also if you have had the twix ice cream......isnt it amazing!
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    damn. 8 10"s?........80" of cone area FTW!

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    Re: 3way vs 2way

    Quote Originally Posted by bimma85 View Post
    this is in a sticky you've been around long enough to know that
    Thanks Kenny

    And sorry bimma, my memory has been real bad lately. thinkin about going to the doctor b/c i dont remember waking up this morning

    anywho, thanks guys



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    Re: 3way vs 2way

    I found the sticky and read it.

    Seems to me since I got the room to do it, I will probably do a 3way install.
    And as you were saying kenny and the sticky, its best to mount them together (ie:mid bass in door, mid and tweet in kick)
    I wouldn't mind doing that if I wasn't 6'5 and had a 16 size shoe. Im very nervous about a kickpanel install for fear of my big foot kicking them or someone else kicking them. Which is why I liked steve meades idea with putting the 4s and tweets in the a-pillar.
    By doing that, would I really be sacrificing signifcant sq and staging?



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    Quote Originally Posted by seth350 View Post
    I found the sticky and read it.

    Seems to me since I got the room to do it, I will probably do a 3way install.
    And as you were saying kenny and the sticky, its best to mount them together (ie:mid bass in door, mid and tweet in kick)
    I wouldn't mind doing that if I wasn't 6'5 and had a 16 size shoe. Im very nervous about a kickpanel install for fear of my big foot kicking them or someone else kicking them. Which is why I liked steve meades idea with putting the 4s and tweets in the a-pillar.
    By doing that, would I really be sacrificing signifcant sq and staging?
    It takes a lot more than room to have a nice 3 way setup . As for the memory...quit hanging out with mary.



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    Quote Originally Posted by snb778
    I feel like when im bumpin once it gets dark....the street lights often go out. I was driving home the other night and like 3 street lights went out in like 15 minutes.
    Does this happen a lot to any of you??
    Also if you have had the twix ice cream......isnt it amazing!
    Quote Originally Posted by RumbleNTheTrunk
    damn. 8 10"s?........80" of cone area FTW!

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    Quote Originally Posted by bimma85 View Post
    It takes a lot more than room to have a nice 3 way setup . As for the memory...quit hanging out with mary.
    lol me and mary dont hang out much and she still gives me memory loss

    from what the sticky said, 3ways are a lot harder to position in your sound stage if thats what you mean.

    3ways may not be the best for my setup, i was just going to keep all doors open just in case



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    Re: 3way vs 2way

    3-ways have the potential to be better by several orders of magnitude...

    Its all in the install though, as long as you do it right a properly setup 3-way will pwn a properly setup 2-way.



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    Re: 3way vs 2way

    thats why you make grills to protect the speakers in the kicks.

    i had my 4" in kicks and tweets in pillars mainly due to me wanting a higher stage. but now i have moved my tweeters in the kicks and i have still retained the high stage and i at the same time reduced the path length difference and able to cross the tweeter a lil bit lower. result has become a much more focused image.

    but overall 2 way is much easier than a 3 way.



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    Re: 3way vs 2way

    If you dont have much room down there in the kicks, your speakers will get dirty, its just a reality. grills will phisically protect them but dirt and elements will get in.

    Apparently you can make midranges work in the dash if you have access to some time allignement and some proper aiming. Apparently its been done before with good results, just not as easily.

    For me having pods in the kick area was pretty hard to get use to, especially with a manual. I got use to it but I was glad once I took them out heh. It depends on the room you have down there, if I were to do it in the truck I have now it wouldnt be nearly as bad.




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    Re: 3way vs 2way

    i doing a 3 way passive setup with cdt hd 642 until i better understand active, driver parameters, and sound dispersion, tuning etc...

    i am having a veteran on here do my install, but i will learn as much as i can from them, and will be there as much as possible to learn things before i drive off.

    Imo, i feel 3 ways put less stress and range of freq on each driver in the system therefore allowing each driver to perform much better.

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    Re: 3way vs 2way

    Quote Originally Posted by thadman View Post
    3-ways have the potential to be better by several orders of magnitude...

    Its all in the install though, as long as you do it right a properly setup 3-way will pwn a properly setup 2-way.
    That's not inherently true.

    They each have their advantages and disadvantages. To say one is inconsequentially better is simply inaccurate.



    To the OP; As was mentioned...the only way having the mids/tweeters on the A-pillars or dash is going to work is with time alignment. If you don't have time alignment....forgetaboutit.




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    Quote Originally Posted by squeak9798 View Post
    That's not inherently true.

    They each have their advantages and disadvantages. To say one is inconsequentially better is simply inaccurate.



    To the OP; As was mentioned...the only way having the mids/tweeters on the A-pillars or dash is going to work is with time alignment. If you don't have time alignment....forgetaboutit.
    ehh, I dont' know... All things equal there are very few advantages in a 2 way install, especially in a car. However, installs vary, no 2 cars are the same. With that being said, a 3 way will get louder in almost every case, and most SQ cars are 3 ways too! To address the original poster, what that 4 inch midrange does.

    1. Get's x-over point out of the vocal area
    2.Reduced distortion in the vocal range, since the driver is no longer playing bass too
    3.Allows you to equalize pathlengths and aim drivers in the frequencies where it matters most
    4.Reduces doppler distortion (if it matters)
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    Re: 3way vs 2way

    i agree with tempest .

    the one advantage i see in a 2 way setup over a 3 way setup in regards to staging and imaging, if the midrange/midbass is well setup in kicks and plays really low and relatively high (scan speak rev 7" comes to mind) you'll have most of the range of music in the kicks. hence equalizing path lengths. remember, the lower the xover pt on the mid, the better in the kicks. so if a 7" can play down like 63-80hz in the kicks and play up to like 2-3khz and the 7" has great tonality characteristics, in this case, 2 way would be better. there aren't too many people who can fit a midbass, midrange and tweeter in the kicks.



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    Re: 3way vs 2way

    IMO 3 way passive is useless , I have never heard one worth a chit. The crossovers are usually a step up from crap at best, and pre-packaged drivers are bought cutting every corner known to man. To me if you are going to run some out of the box component set you really, really shouldn't run a 3 way. It takes a level of knowledge, tuning, and experience to make a three way sound right and if you have to ask about the installation it probably isn't the best choice for you. Stick with a 2 way and if you are unsatisfied with the output or quality, switch over to active crossovers and handpick drivers that will do what you actually need.




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