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    Re: how much effect does a head unit have on sound quality?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dirtrider4eva View Post
    i had a very similar unit. identical processing. sounds pretty good. a little bright up top. new tech isnt always greater than old..



    im running a cd7000. before this i had some weird double din with a detach gps in it. it was a weird fun unit.
    as for pre out voltage i vote 4-5V is perfect. my us acoustics amp cant handle 8 anyhow.
    never said the newer units are better than the old. just said im a tech guy and i like having newer stuff. the screen resolution, menu, layouts, themes, colors, features of the headunit, and style of it is what i love about my 8400.

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    I actually just traded off my 8400 DD in favor of a JVC KD-A95BT. While I do miss the 8-band EQ (and had finally gotten settings where they were sounding great), the SQ on this $200 JVC is leaps and bounds ahead of the Pioneer. In my experience, Pioneer decks always favor low frequencies, Alpine favors the high, and Eclipse love midrange. This JVC covers all three extremely well and its sense of staging and imaging just pushed it over the top. Its 5-band graphic EQ, though, leaves a little to be desired.

    Adding my two cents in the equation (especially after this experience), the deck should really be the first thing you look at replacing when searching for SQ. You can have some of the nicest amplifiers and speakers/subs in existence, but great amplification is only going to amply a bad source. There's a reason the processing world is doing so well right now. Hell, for $350 these days, you can take a JBL MS-8 and make almost any consumer-level deck sound better. @PapaGeno21 ; can vouch for this especially. He's seen tremendous gains in what his system is capable of after putting it in his system and he's by no means all about the essques.

    On the other side of the argument, you can't take a great deck and poop amplification and expect to get good results, either. These days, it really doesn't matter if it's Class A/B, D, G, H, etc since there's great and awful examples of each in the industry. Swapping out my A/B Boston Acoustics GT-2125 for a Zed Leviathan was in itself a giant leap ahead for my sub stage. That Boston is now happily driving my passive components. But don't expect to get a Shark, AP, VVME, whatever budget amp and expect it to perform like a Sinfoni. It just won't.

    thats the difference though. a single din and a double din. the double dins nowadays arent purely meant for sound quality, rather they are for entertainment. i coudlnt switch out my 8400 for anything on the market right now that would offer me what i want(dont need a navigation unit because i have my iphone that i mirror onto my headunit)

    the 8400 for me has everything. it produces very good sound (for me and everyone else that hears my system)

    has tons of great features that i love and use everyday seamlessly. such as mixtraxx, iphone mirroring/app mode. its probably the best looking double din on the market and has a fantastic screen resolution. if there was something has all of these features along with a really good sound processing software with time allignment and all thast good stuff then i would consider switching it out but for now im keeping it as i love all the entertainment that it offers



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    Re: how much effect does a head unit have on sound quality?

    Quote Originally Posted by RoYALbLUE08 View Post
    never said the newer units are better than the old. just said im a tech guy and i like having newer stuff. the screen resolution, menu, layouts, themes, colors, features of the headunit, and style of it is what i love about my 8400.




    thats the difference though. a single din and a double din. the double dins nowadays arent purely meant for sound quality, rather they are for entertainment. i coudlnt switch out my 8400 for anything on the market right now that would offer me what i want(dont need a navigation unit because i have my iphone that i mirror onto my headunit)

    the 8400 for me has everything. it produces very good sound (for me and everyone else that hears my system)

    has tons of great features that i love and use everyday seamlessly. such as mixtraxx, iphone mirroring/app mode. its probably the best looking double din on the market and has a fantastic screen resolution. if there was something has all of these features along with a really good sound processing software with time allignment and all thast good stuff then i would consider switching it out but for now im keeping it as i love all the entertainment that it offers
    Don't get me wrong. I really liked my 8400 and so did those who received demos with it, but I felt it was, for the most part, lifeless. I think I used MIXTRAXX for about an hour, the iPhone mirroring for a month or two, but the rest of the time it was just there to play CDs or tracks from an iPod. Figured someone could take advantage of the tech I wasn't using.



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    Re: how much effect does a head unit have on sound quality?

    I picked up my MS8 in minty condition used off CACO for 310 shipped.

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    Re: how much effect does a head unit have on sound quality?

    OS Head units > New ones



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    Re: how much effect does a head unit have on sound quality?

    i gurantee a cd7000 or cd7200, alpine 9887, kenwood excelon would all put any jvc deck to shame in sq. and EQ bands mean little. i have all my bands at flat.



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    Re: how much effect does a head unit have on sound quality?

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    Re: how much effect does a head unit have on sound quality?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dirtrider4eva View Post
    pre-outs isnt everything. processing and abilities of the deck influence the sound immensly and the deck itself will have a distinct sound. Pioneers tend to be more bright. kenwoods flat. Eclipse warm, alpine cool but sharp. depending on the tastes of your ears you may prefer one to the other. i personally like the sound of my eclipse more than any kenwood or alpine i have had. I have yet to try an alpine yet. may down the line.
    Completely disagree. Every Eclipse Ive had was always lacking depth and was always very analytical and anemic in its sound. Alpine's have always had a warmth to them.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dirtrider4eva View Post
    i gurantee a cd7000 or cd7200, alpine 9887, kenwood excelon would all put any jvc deck to shame in sq. and EQ bands mean little. i have all my bands at flat.
    I can name atleast 2 JVC decks that are great decks that rival CD7000's and 9887's. JVC KDAR8500 and JVC SH1000 are great headunits that are both active capable with good DAC's.



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    Re: how much effect does a head unit have on sound quality?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dirtrider4eva View Post
    i gurantee a cd7000 or cd7200, alpine 9887, kenwood excelon would all put any jvc deck to shame in sq. and EQ bands mean little. i have all my bands at flat.
    You do realize that JVC and Kenwood are the same company, right?



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    Re: how much effect does a head unit have on sound quality?

    Quote Originally Posted by RoYALbLUE08 View Post
    my avh-p8400 gives me perfectly good crystal clear loud sound with 0 distortion. it only has an 8 band eq but running the speakers active its fine from my crescendo amp is fine. besides. wouldnt you need time allignment if your running front and back speakers?

    not to mention i like to be updated with technology i dont like old school stuff so my headunit is very nice looking, very fast and responsive and has great features that i use everyday in it and a nice 7 inch screen that i mirror my iphone on it for navigation/internet browsing, etc.
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    Re: how much effect does a head unit have on sound quality?

    I run my 117 flat and it sounds very well balanced. Pioneer is always top and bottom heavy to me. I'm a alpine HU fan for life but I wont be swapping out my 117 till they make a better unit. I really dont see that happening so I take care of it



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    Re: how much effect does a head unit have on sound quality?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tenacious. View Post
    You do realize that JVC and Kenwood are the same company, right?
    so is toyota and lexus, nissan and infiniti, honda and acura.
    Quote Originally Posted by whitedragon551 View Post
    Completely disagree. Every Eclipse Ive had was always lacking depth and was always very analytical and anemic in its sound. Alpine's have always had a warmth to them.



    I can name atleast 2 JVC decks that are great decks that rival CD7000's and 9887's. JVC KDAR8500 and JVC SH1000 are great headunits that are both active capable with good DAC's.
    i can agree to disagree on the eclipse debate. in my opinion the eclipse has a precise and accurate sound. However i will state i have never played with an alpine 9887. only lesser models in other cars on different equipment. The JVC units you listed i've yet to hear as well, but it seems 9/10 jvc decks seem cheap. any of them that i have been in contact with locally have sounded animated, if that makes sense. My HU plays through a zed us acoustics amp that does have a warm/softer sound in contrast to other amps i have used with this unit, so that may be why i believe its warmer sounding.
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