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    Re: Pioneer Sonic Center Control and Sound Retriever

    You would screw that in place over the baffle you see your speaker mounted into right now. You should also consider sealing off that area behind the baffle. You're losing a lot of midbass right now if that's how they're installed. Here's how mine look ATM:




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    Re: Pioneer Sonic Center Control and Sound Retriever

    I see you have deadner away from the area of the speaker, what exactly are you trying to cover over there. And what material is that.



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    Re: Pioneer Sonic Center Control and Sound Retriever

    Quote Originally Posted by calebkhill View Post
    I see you have deadner away from the area of the speaker, what exactly are you trying to cover over there. And what material is that.
    It's Audio Technix 60mil and what you're doing is mass-loading the doors so nothing can vibrate and cause resonance. I went heavy around the speaker baffle to make sure there weren't any air gaps and to decouple the speakers from the doors themselves. Behind the deadener is a CCF ring to help with the decoupling. Looks like this:




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    Re: Pioneer Sonic Center Control and Sound Retriever

    Quote Originally Posted by neo_styles View Post
    You would screw that in place over the baffle you see your speaker mounted into right now. You should also consider sealing off that area behind the baffle. You're losing a lot of midbass right now if that's how they're installed. Here's how mine look ATM:
    **SNIP**
    Yeah! I sure feel like I'm losing a lot of midbass. What do you suggest I do to seal off that area? Just put deadener around that plastic bracket so there is no more gap?




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    Re: Pioneer Sonic Center Control and Sound Retriever

    Neat. Ill take all things into consideration tonight, check out those brands.
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    Re: Pioneer Sonic Center Control and Sound Retriever

    Quote Originally Posted by sjv13 View Post
    Yeah! I sure feel like I'm losing a lot of midbass. What do you suggest I do to seal off that area? Just put deadener around that plastic bracket so there is no more gap?
    The CCF weatherstripping would probably be more effective given how much of a gap there is. It's cheap as all getout, too. Use that to pack in around the openings, then seal the rest off with the AT. Only draw is you're going to get a little butyl on your speakers, but that should only be an issue if you want them looking minty when you uninstall them. Here's a link to the weatherstripping:

    EDIT: Posted the 3/8, not the 3/4". Here's the one I used:
    http://www.lowes.com/pd_66682-81-023...oam&facetInfo=



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    Re: Pioneer Sonic Center Control and Sound Retriever

    Quote Originally Posted by sjv13 View Post
    Yeah! I sure feel like I'm losing a lot of midbass. What do you suggest I do to seal off that area? Just put deadener around that plastic bracket so there is no more gap?
    Same question here.



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    Re: Pioneer Sonic Center Control and Sound Retriever

    Quote Originally Posted by calebkhill View Post
    Neat. Ill take all things into consideration tonight, check out those brands.
    One more, how can mylows help me...........
    He's an authorized dealer for a bunch of brands including American Bass. Matter of fact, he's the only online authorized retailer for AB. He can explain the benefits of each and work out pricing with you.



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    Re: Pioneer Sonic Center Control and Sound Retriever

    Quote Originally Posted by neo_styles View Post
    The CCF weatherstripping would probably be more effective given how much of a gap there is. It's cheap as all getout, too. Use that to pack in around the openings, then seal the rest off with the AT. Only draw is you're going to get a little butyl on your speakers, but that should only be an issue if you want them looking minty when you uninstall them. Here's a link to the weatherstripping:

    EDIT: Posted the 3/8, not the 3/4". Here's the one I used:
    Shop M-D Building Products 10'L x 3/4"W Gray Closed-Cell Foam Window Weather Strip at Lowes.com
    I have seen that before when I got some open cell foam to make a better seal between the speaker and door panel (added after the picture). Problem is that I couldnt find it in a thick enough size. And the way they make it, makes it want to lay flat (so the adhesive sticks down) and I need it to make a circle in a way that isnt natural for the material to bend. Not sure if you understand what I'm saying. I had to use double sided foam tape instead of the adhesive on the open cell foam I used to make it stick because the adhesive strip already on it is in the wrong place. Not sure if that makes sense.




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    Re: Pioneer Sonic Center Control and Sound Retriever

    Quote Originally Posted by sjv13 View Post
    I have seen that before when I got some open cell foam to make a better seal between the speaker and door panel (added after the picture). Problem is that I couldnt find it in a thick enough size. And the way they make it, makes it want to lay flat (so the adhesive sticks down) and I need it to make a circle in a way that isnt natural for the material to bend. Not sure if you understand what I'm saying. I had to use double sided foam tape instead of the adhesive on the open cell foam I used to make it stick because the adhesive strip already on it is in the wrong place. Not sure if that makes sense.
    It makes sense. If you can get to a second layer, the pressure of both layers will hold it in place. Open Cell Foam won't do jack, though, since you're trying to keep sound from passing through the medium.



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    Re: Pioneer Sonic Center Control and Sound Retriever

    @neo_styles ; Got a pic with your door panel on?



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    Re: Pioneer Sonic Center Control and Sound Retriever

    Not at the moment, I'll try to remember to get one soon. It doesn't look like anything special though.



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    Re: Pioneer Sonic Center Control and Sound Retriever

    Quote Originally Posted by neo_styles View Post
    It makes sense. If you can get to a second layer, the pressure of both layers will hold it in place. Open Cell Foam won't do jack, though, since you're trying to keep sound from passing through the medium.
    I used the open cell because that's what it said to do on keep hope alive's post about door deadening. I know the main part of deadening is the mdf baffle and closing off the gap, plus mass-loading the door. But I thought I'd just do something at least, and it was easy.

    I don't quite know what you mean about two layers deep. How did you get your foam to make that nice circle?




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    Re: Pioneer Sonic Center Control and Sound Retriever

    I compressed the foam when I laid it in a ring, so it looked all bunched up, then fitted the speaker over the foam while it was still expanding. Had to work quick to make it look that good lol. It doesn't want to stay in place without pressure acting on it.

    And I was talking about two layers deep in those gaps on the side.



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