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    Re: Favorite tuning frequency?!

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    Re: Favorite tuning frequency?!

    I don't know. Whatever sounds musical for metal. I did 32hertz and it lacked some of the kick drum. So now I am trying 34.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jockhater2 View Post
    I don't know. Whatever sounds musical for metal. I did 32hertz and it lacked some of the kick drum. So now I am trying 34.

    If you listen to only rap. It is easy. But if you listen to more than that. It is hard.
    Yeah that my problem too haha, I want the lows of rap but I want it to sound good with most music




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    Re: Favorite tuning frequency?!

    tuning frequency is only part of the equation, the bandwidth of the chose enclosure design also has a big role, also the way the car loads can change the effective tuning quite a bit.

    there is a lot more to it than just where you tune...

    that being said, i love a nice flat response curve.



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    Re: Favorite tuning frequency?!

    approximately 1hz.



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    Re: Favorite tuning frequency?!

    Quote Originally Posted by Phoenix Risen View Post
    tuning frequency is only part of the equation, the bandwidth of the chose enclosure design also has a big role, also the way the car loads can change the effective tuning quite a bit.

    there is a lot more to it than just where you tune...

    that being said, i love a nice flat response curve.
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    I can play anything well and Im @27ish




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    Re: Favorite tuning frequency?!

    A little tip for anyone who insists on using vented alignments for "musical or metal" (because you should be using sealed alignments) - group delay is what makes or breaks the sound you're after. Stop tuning high. The only way to even approach the sound of a sealed enclosure while using a vented one is to tune very low so that group delay stays below 10ms in the pass band, or at least down to approximately 30hz. You effectively end up with a frequency response curve very similar to a sealed alignment but with the power handling and output approaching that of a conventional vented alignment, all while sounding very musical. Again, stop tuning high if you want musical. Otherwise you suffer the sluggish, muddy behavior that smears your leading edge transient attacks that are in between those fast double bass pedals, among the many other tight and fast effects found in lots of "music". Having an amplifier that can cope with this alignment will also make a difference.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ciaonzo View Post
    A little tip for anyone who insists on using vented alignments for "musical or metal" (because you should be using sealed alignments) - group delay is what makes or breaks the sound you're after. Stop tuning high. The only way to even approach the sound of a sealed enclosure while using a vented one is to tune very low so that group delay stays below 10ms in the pass band, or at least from 30hz down. You effectively end up with a frequency response curve very similar to a sealed alignment but with the power handling and output approaching that of a conventional vented alignment, all while sounding very musical. Again, stop tuning high if you want musical. Otherwise you suffer the sluggish, muddy behavior that smears your leading edge transient attacks that are in between those fast double bass pedals, among the many other tight and fast effects found in lots of "music". Having an amplifier that can cope with this alignment will also make a difference.
    Interesting. Could you tell me a few amps that can?
    I may have to keep them in mind for future upgrades.



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    29, 33 sounds good too.



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    Quote Originally Posted by esilvers View Post
    Interesting. Could you tell me a few amps that can?
    I may have to keep them in mind for future upgrades.
    You're going to want more of a voltage source type amplifier but still capable of delivering current if/when necessary. A good amount of power with a good slew rate (for transients) and a decent damping factor as it will pretty much be up to the amplifier to control the driver while you're not playing around tuning.



    Quote Originally Posted by audioholic View Post
    Saying "clipping doesn't kill speakers" is a half-truth at best. Technically no, clipping itself does not hurt the speaker. But in clipping your amp, you can easily create a situation that WILL kill the speaker. Was the squared waveform the DIRECT cause of the failure? No. In the end, the answer is, always has been, and can only be... heat kills speakers. BUT, clipping increases heat generation, sometimes by a drastic amount. So to start a thread simply to state that clipping does not hurt speakers is, again, a half-truth at best.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ciaonzo View Post
    A little tip for anyone who insists on using vented alignments for "musical or metal" (because you should be using sealed alignments) - group delay is what makes or breaks the sound you're after. Stop tuning high. The only way to even approach the sound of a sealed enclosure while using a vented one is to tune very low so that group delay stays below 10ms in the pass band, or at least from 30hz down. You effectively end up with a frequency response curve very similar to a sealed alignment but with the power handling and output approaching that of a conventional vented alignment, all while sounding very musical. Again, stop tuning high if you want musical. Otherwise you suffer the sluggish, muddy behavior that smears your leading edge transient attacks that are in between those fast double bass pedals, among the many other tight and fast effects found in lots of "music". Having an amplifier that can cope with this alignment will also make a difference.
    All that being said. Is exactly why I do not design my own boxes. I leave it to the professionals so I can get a good sound.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jockhater2 View Post
    All that being said. Is exactly why I do not design my own boxes. I leave it to the professionals so I can get a good sound.

    What city in wisconsin do you live in?
    Near Madison. I can see a mistake in what I wrote now that it's been quoted, lol. I should have said 10ms from 30hz upward. Group delay will begin to climb below that.



    Quote Originally Posted by audioholic View Post
    Saying "clipping doesn't kill speakers" is a half-truth at best. Technically no, clipping itself does not hurt the speaker. But in clipping your amp, you can easily create a situation that WILL kill the speaker. Was the squared waveform the DIRECT cause of the failure? No. In the end, the answer is, always has been, and can only be... heat kills speakers. BUT, clipping increases heat generation, sometimes by a drastic amount. So to start a thread simply to state that clipping does not hurt speakers is, again, a half-truth at best.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ciaonzo View Post
    Near Madison. I can see a mistake in what I wrote now that it's been quoted, lol. I should have said 10ms from 30hz upward. Group delay will begin to climb below that.
    so what do you recommend when tuning? Are you saying below 30 or above?
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