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    Re: Bass dosent wobble

    Quote Originally Posted by falcons03079313 View Post
    clipping is when your amp is being pushed to hard, creating heat, which can blow your whole system up. and yes, you can get some pretty decent stuff if you build your own box man.
    is it possible to push my amp too hard when it is bridged at 600 rms so im gettin 300 per sub. And the gain is 70%, so how could I be pushing too hard? Is it the DB or any other option?




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    Re: Bass dosent wobble

    Look around on here and buy a decent 1krms sub like a xfl hdc3 lots of others find a 1500 w amp like a used. saz1500 or sonethin along those lines..and u will quadruple or more the output u have now...and buikd a custom box ...the box makes the build




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    Re: Bass dosent wobble

    Quote Originally Posted by NASTY08IMPALA View Post
    Gain isnt a volume knob its meant to match output volts from the deck if u exceed this u are clipping..unless u used a dd1 or dmm or oscope to set the gains u are most likely clipping
    I fugure if 300 RMS is the max. That means if the gain is 100% than it would be putting out full 300 RMS to each sub, and if my gain is 65% how could I be clipping? I thought clipping is when the gain is too high, and i set mine low just to make sure I dont blow anything.




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    Re: Bass dosent wobble

    Quote Originally Posted by darron016 View Post
    is it possible to push my amp too hard when it is bridged at 600 rms so im gettin 300 per sub. And the gain is 70%, so how could I be pushing too hard? Is it the DB or any other option?
    i can almost guarentee you are clipping your system. in order to set the gains properly you need to use a dd1, an o-scope, or a dmm.



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    Re: Bass dosent wobble

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    is it possible to push my amp too hard when it is bridged at 600 rms so im gettin 300 per sub. And the gain is 70%, so how could I be pushing too hard? Is it the DB or any other option?
    just bc u have it set to 70% doesnt mean anything ..like i said its not a volume knob u wana match the output of ur rcas from ur deck..and bridging a amp isnt helping ur problem




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    Re: Bass dosent wobble

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    I fugure if 300 RMS is the max. That means if the gain is 100% than it would be putting out full 300 RMS to each sub, and if my gain is 65% how could I be clipping? I thought clipping is when the gain is too high, and i set mine low just to make sure I dont blow anything.
    100% on the gain is not what your looking to do. the gain matches your head units voltage. any higher than that than you are sending a clipped signal which will blow your amp or subs.



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    Re: Bass dosent wobble

    Quote Originally Posted by NASTY08IMPALA View Post
    Look around on here and buy a decent 1krms sub like a xfl hdc3 lots of others find a 1500 w amp like a used. saz1500 or sonethin along those lines..and u will quadruple or more the output u have now...and buikd a custom box ...the box makes the build
    Yes but after that, than I would need to do the big 3 and even a battery and alt upgrade...

    Quote Originally Posted by B2WJ4.7 View Post
    bro you gain only at 65% that means the amp is only puttin out 65% power.
    So therefor I can't be clipping, correct? I set my volume up to 30 on my HU and tuned everything on that volume.

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    dont get upset bro. we all gotta start somewhere. hell i started with a 12" sony xplod sub. give us a budget you would be willing to work with and we will help you out
    If i junk everything i have now, my tops is 500$ And my uncle is in construction so I could get a perfect box built for a good price.




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    Re: Bass dosent wobble

    Quote Originally Posted by darron016 View Post
    I fugure if 300 RMS is the max. That means if the gain is 100% than it would be putting out full 300 RMS to each sub, and if my gain is 65% how could I be clipping? I thought clipping is when the gain is too high, and i set mine low just to make sure I dont blow anything.
    100 percent gain does not mean 100 percent power. You can reach full power without moving the gain much at all, it all depends on the source unit.



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    Re: Bass dosent wobble

    pm me man i got nothing going on, ill help you out 1 on 1



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    Re: Bass dosent wobble

    Everybody's gotta start small. The box was most likely designed to be used with the sealed section, like I said before a bandpass is part sealed, part ported. I've never built or even owned one though, so I'm by no means an expert. Basically any sub set-up will sound loud at first, but you'll get used to the Kickers very quickly, they are really not that loud,

    You could probably get a new set-up pretty cheaply, a Single SA-15 in the proper box on that Treo @ 2 ohms would definitely slam harder than the comps. And if your local Craigslist is anything like mine, you could get most of the money back out of the comps on there.

    You do need to pick up a Digital Multimeter, it is an essential tool for setting up amps, and even having a proper set-up can't even prevent clipping, you've got to know what you're doing, base rules are never go up past 80% volume on the headunit, and set your amp's gain to slightly under the rated output there.

    Your sony headunit is definitely a problem too, don't cheap out on the headunit, it is the base of the system, I've had 500$ systems where 250$ of it was the headunit.



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    Re: Bass dosent wobble

    Quote Originally Posted by darron016 View Post
    I fugure if 300 RMS is the max. That means if the gain is 100% than it would be putting out full 300 RMS to each sub, and if my gain is 65% how could I be clipping? I thought clipping is when the gain is too high, and i set mine low just to make sure I dont blow anything.
    No ur amp puts out max power when the voltage is matched to the output of the amp..for example my hu ha 4v preouts and the gain on my amp to get max power. is only halfway up anything past that and im clipping




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    Re: Bass dosent wobble

    Quote Originally Posted by darron016 View Post
    I fugure if 300 RMS is the max. That means if the gain is 100% than it would be putting out full 300 RMS to each sub, and if my gain is 65% how could I be clipping? I thought clipping is when the gain is too high, and i set mine low just to make sure I dont blow anything.
    lol that gain is to match the voltage from you head unit. depending on the voltage you HU puts out will depend on where the gain is set. 70% gain you are clipping the subs. there is a stickied thread around here somewhere that runs you through the proper ways to set you gain. all you need is a digital multimeter. i would stop arguing that your gain is set low at 70% and are not clipping.



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    Re: Bass dosent wobble

    also if you dont want to spend money on a new setup, get one of the designers on here to make a design for you for your subs. it will make a world of a difference. that box you have is a turd. if it was mine i would use it for firewood. do yourself a favor and take peoples advise.



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    Re: Bass dosent wobble

    Quote Originally Posted by falcons03079313 View Post
    100% on the gain is not what your looking to do. the gain matches your head units voltage. any higher than that than you are sending a clipped signal which will blow your amp or subs.
    What does a clean bass and clipped bass sound like? Like what is the thing you look for to know? If you sat in my car and heard my subs you could be like, yes they are clipping.. So I know what to listen for tomorrow when i go in my car

    Quote Originally Posted by NASTY08IMPALA View Post
    just bc u have it set to 70% doesnt mean anything ..like i said its not a volume knob u wana match the output of ur rcas from ur deck..and bridging a amp isnt helping ur problem
    The amp has a input button high/low I think it is for the RCA?
    So basically I need a DMM and measure everything?

    Quote Originally Posted by falcons03079313 View Post
    i can almost guarentee you are clipping your system. in order to set the gains properly you need to use a dd1, an o-scope, or a dmm.
    Some people said you can do it all by ear, I turned the gain up to a point where it sounded like a good bang honestly.




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    Re: Bass dosent wobble

    Quote Originally Posted by darron016 View Post
    What does a clean bass and clipped bass sound like? Like what is the thing you look for to know? If you sat in my car and heard my subs you could be like, yes they are clipping.. So I know what to listen for tomorrow when i go in my car



    The amp has a input button high/low I think it is for the RCA?
    So basically I need a DMM and measure everything?



    Some people said you can do it all by ear, I turned the gain up to a point where it sounded like a good bang honestly.
    like i said man shoot me a private message and ill tell you everything you need to know as far as setting your gains. to be honest, after you set everything up properly, you are not going to be happy with how quiet your subs are.



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