its a ll in the tuning
its a ll in the tuning
As everyone says, its all in the install. Cheap mids and tweets with no crossovers sound like garbage. Heck, good mids and tweets with no crossovers sound like garbage. But running these 15s, 12s, and tweets with a 16-band EQ and full 3-way active crossovers on my 80PRS gives me some great sound. Ive owned and ran everything from Eminence, Selenium, and Peavey, to Focal and Hertz. When I went it to be loud (no, your 2 sets of $300 components on 250w a side isnt "loud", and it never will be compared to a real pro audio setup done right), I go with quality pro audio speakers, good crossovers/equalization, and a good install. It will never be a "sound quality" install, but it sounds **** good, better than any $250 set of components Ive ever heard or owned in pure reproduction, and obviously, gets much louder.
People who just trash all pro audio setups or speakers are doing nothing more than showing their ignorance on the subject.
X3 with what "GalacticMonkey" said. A bad sounding setup is a bad sounding setup whether its PA or car audio speakers.
I'm far from ignorant on the subject. I've run PA. I've heard a crap ton of it. I've seen real build logs of pros using them. Richard Clark rings a bell. Perhaps the greatest SQ vehicle of all time. All PA drivers. Was it (4) 8's, (4) 6.5's and a pair of super tweeters per door on 1k per side and a grand total of $100 in drivers? No. Is that what people are doing now and what everyone is talking about when referencing it? Yes. Does it sound like shit? Yes.
The simple fact is that for 99% of people, a traditional component set will destroy a set of PA drivers in anything resembling musical reproduction other than how "loud" it gets. I'm glad it's working for you and that you actually put in some work (and EQ) to get them to sound good. That's awesome and I'd love to hear it. Because I've never heard a PA setup that sounded worth a damn.
Personally, I don't particularly enjoy a +10db bump in the response from 2-4khz. And a +20db bump at 8-10khz. If I did, maybe I'd run PA gear. And if you do, maybe PA gear is right for you too. I don't listen to my shit at 150+db 24/7 and need my fronts to "keep up".
The whole loudest front stage fad is worse than everybody using hair tricks as a design goal. Go to YT and search "distance test." What... in the blue fuck is that all about? Really? You need your highs to be heard from a mile away? I mean, it's whatever. If that's your thing then that's cool. It's all in the family. I'm sure people think playing a 60hz tone at 160db is ghey too, but then again... I don't pretend my burp setup is SQ.
I agree both ways, but the price to get comps sets to match the PAs would be astroastronomical. But I know it was likely sound heavenly
People generally trash those kinds of setups because they sound awful. They quickly cause listening fatigue because they are horribly non-linear, this IS because of the drivers themselves and because virtually nobody loading thier doors with midranges properly uses EQ.
Well just because "most" people don't know what they are doing mean the speakers themselves sound bad. If someone can't get some quality PAs to sound good, you could give them a set of $1,500 Hybrids and they wouldn't sound good either.
I feel like I know what I'm doing, I use massive 15" and 12" mids in my doors with 4" coils and massive 18lb motors. They sound great.
Personally I listen with my ears, not an RTA so I could care less how it graphs out. Needs to sound good to me since I'm the one listening to them on a daily basis.
It's not just lack of EQ, it's lack of xovers as most of the PA set ups I've heard are running full range for mids and tweeters and obviously that's going to sound like ***. Take the time to set up xover points/slopes and some EQ work and the sound can be very good to all but the most critical listener...