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    Can my car take the abuse?

    So I plan on upgrading my current system. I'm going to do two sundown E10d2 at 2 ohms.

    I'm trying to decide which amp to buy depending on what my car can take electrically without ruining anything. I drive an 04 jeep liberty sport. I have a poopy battery in it now and no idea what amps the alt puts out.

    I am doing the Big 3 this week. And upgrading to either 2 or 4awg power wire depending on the amp.

    The amps are:

    Hifonics BRZ1200.1d
    Hifonics GLX1400.1d
    Mb Quart ONX1.1600d

    I want to run the subs to their potential it I do not want to jeopardize my cars electrical.

    I read and saw that people said replacing the battery would help and is cheap. What's a good cheap one? I would rather stay away from a h/o alt because they are expensive. I know capacitors are crap and second batteries aren't needed necessarily.

    I already have relatively noticeable dimming with my two jbl gt-5s at about 500wmrs at 4ohms now.

    What is my best solution here?



    04 Jeep Liberty Sport 3.7L V6

    HU: Kenwood KDC-148
    Doors: O2 Components in front with JBL GTO 628 in rear
    Subs: 2 x 10" JBL GT-5 4ohms a piece
    Sub amp: Mb Quart ONX1.1000D
    Speaker Amp: Mb Quart ONX4.60
    Sub Box: Diamond Audio Dual Ported
    Wires: Knu KCA 0AWG w/ blocks down to 4AWG
    Optima Yellow Top with Big 3 in 0 gauge KnuKonceptz wire




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    Re: Can my car take the abuse?

    Your best bet is doing it right the first time, and getting a HO alt, big 3, and better battery.



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    Re: Can my car take the abuse?

    HO alt shouldn't be need upgrade your starting battery, do the big 3 and you should be solid.






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    Re: Can my car take the abuse?

    Sears Die Hard Platinum is a good AGM battery, buy the biggest one that will fit under your hood. Good warranty and you can buy and service them anywhere in the country.

    That + big 3 should be fine for 1000W class D amp unles you're very abusive




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    Re: Can my car take the abuse?

    Quote Originally Posted by KJLiberty View Post
    So I plan on upgrading my current system. I'm going to do two sundown E10d2 at 2 ohms.

    I'm trying to decide which amp to buy depending on what my car can take electrically without ruining anything. I drive an 04 jeep liberty sport. I have a poopy battery in it now and no idea what amps the alt puts out.

    I am doing the Big 3 this week. And upgrading to either 2 or 4awg power wire depending on the amp.

    The amps are:

    Hifonics BRZ1200.1d
    Hifonics GLX1400.1d
    Mb Quart ONX1.1600d

    I want to run the subs to their potential it I do not want to jeopardize my cars electrical.

    I read and saw that people said replacing the battery would help and is cheap. What's a good cheap one? I would rather stay away from a h/o alt because they are expensive. I know capacitors are crap and second batteries aren't needed necessarily.

    I already have relatively noticeable dimming with my two jbl gt-5s at about 500wmrs at 4ohms now.

    What is my best solution here?
    You should be running @ 160a factory alt..I am 99% certain the dimming you are experiencing is from the battery choice you use. I had the same issue in my wife's ride on 1200w rms (1800w total rms audio power with mid& bass amps), I upgraded the wiring (big 3) and installed a deep cycle AGM battery up front (Kinetiks HC2000) and no more electrical issues since...and this was 5 yrs ago. I recently sold the Kinetiks for 1/2 what I paid for it (to help out a friend)and bought a Optima Yellow Top, and still no issues.
    I would do this at 2 ohms on those subs, they are underrated quite a bit:
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    ps, Sears Die Hard Platinum is a good AGM too and carries a 4yr warranty, FYI.




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    Re: Can my car take the abuse?

    Quote Originally Posted by quackhead View Post
    You should be running @ 160a factory alt..I am 99% certain the dimming you are experiencing is from the battery choice you use. I had the same issue in my wife's ride on 1200w rms, I upgraded the wiring (big 3) and installed a deep cycle AGM battery up front (Kinetiks HC2000) and no more electrical issues since...and this was 5 yrs ago. I recently sold the Kinetiks for 1/2 what I paid for it (to help out a friend)and bought a Optima Yellow Top, and still no issues.
    I would do this at 2 ohms on those subs, they are underrated quite a bit:
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    Re: Can my car take the abuse?

    I run a 130 amp alt and I can do around 1000 rms and I don't get any dimming. Gotta be your battery chief. Upgrade it, do the Big 3 and use some good 4 gauge wire and you should be golden.




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    Re: Can my car take the abuse?

    In the case of the amp why wouldn't I just get the Mb quart? It's almost $100 cheaper and only 100w less at 2ohms



    04 Jeep Liberty Sport 3.7L V6

    HU: Kenwood KDC-148
    Doors: O2 Components in front with JBL GTO 628 in rear
    Subs: 2 x 10" JBL GT-5 4ohms a piece
    Sub amp: Mb Quart ONX1.1000D
    Speaker Amp: Mb Quart ONX4.60
    Sub Box: Diamond Audio Dual Ported
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    Re: Can my car take the abuse?

    Quote Originally Posted by KJLiberty View Post
    So I plan on upgrading my current system. I'm going to do two sundown E10d2 at 2 ohms.

    I'm trying to decide which amp to buy depending on what my car can take electrically without ruining anything. I drive an 04 jeep liberty sport. I have a poopy battery in it now and no idea what amps the alt puts out.

    I am doing the Big 3 this week. And upgrading to either 2 or 4awg power wire depending on the amp.

    The amps are:

    Hifonics BRZ1200.1d
    Hifonics GLX1400.1d
    Mb Quart ONX1.1600d

    I want to run the subs to their potential it I do not want to jeopardize my cars electrical.

    I read and saw that people said replacing the battery would help and is cheap. What's a good cheap one? I would rather stay away from a h/o alt because they are expensive. I know capacitors are crap and second batteries aren't needed necessarily.

    I already have relatively noticeable dimming with my two jbl gt-5s at about 500wmrs at 4ohms now.

    What is my best solution here?
    If you are getting dimming off a 500 watts, there is a problem somewhere. Maybe your ground, maybe gain is set wrong, but something isn't right. Do your big three, make sure all of your ground points are well-prepped. Hate to say it, but many try to skip this... terminals on the ends of all of your power/ground wires. A really nice battery up front will probably be fine. Make sure its a good one if you go single. And just use 0 ga cca, instead of 4 gauge ofc. Its about the same price, but will handle about 100 more amps.



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    Re: Can my car take the abuse?

    Considering it is 135 amp alt....not at idle..... Truck probably uses 30-40 amps continuous..... Say it has 90 amps at idle...- 30 amps for normal vehicle use. Leaves you 60 amps. 60 amps = 864w at 14.4 charging.

    You are not going to be able to sit and idle without dimming at 1000w rms. I don't care what battery you have.



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    Re: Can my car take the abuse?

    Quote Originally Posted by KJLiberty View Post
    In the case of the amp why wouldn't I just get the Mb quart? It's almost $100 cheaper and only 100w less at 2ohms
    I only suggested a better amp than those you had mentioned that is within a decent price range. The BRE is higher up the food chain, in relation to other Maxxsonics products. The one I mentioned was a steal at $230 and I have not seen a Quart 1600 for less than $180...$50 bucks. Personally, I expect to spend a minimum of $200 for a decent amp of any kind...but I know not all of us have the same expectations. The Quart will work, and yes, if you found one for $130 bucks, snatch it up, at least they are held with a higher regard than Audiopipe.




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    Re: Can my car take the abuse?

    ok i have a quick question about the big three. i cant find a bolt that i can loosen up on the engine block. how am i supposed to do this if its nearly impossible to loosen the bolt? hahaha



    04 Jeep Liberty Sport 3.7L V6

    HU: Kenwood KDC-148
    Doors: O2 Components in front with JBL GTO 628 in rear
    Subs: 2 x 10" JBL GT-5 4ohms a piece
    Sub amp: Mb Quart ONX1.1000D
    Speaker Amp: Mb Quart ONX4.60
    Sub Box: Diamond Audio Dual Ported
    Wires: Knu KCA 0AWG w/ blocks down to 4AWG
    Optima Yellow Top with Big 3 in 0 gauge KnuKonceptz wire

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    Re: Can my car take the abuse?

    Quote Originally Posted by KJLiberty View Post
    ok i have a quick question about the big three. i cant find a bolt that i can loosen up on the engine block. how am i supposed to do this if its nearly impossible to loosen the bolt? hahaha
    Get someone with some balls to loosen it




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    Quote Originally Posted by gckless View Post
    Get someone with some balls to loosen it
    hahaha ok ill try that. good advice.



    04 Jeep Liberty Sport 3.7L V6

    HU: Kenwood KDC-148
    Doors: O2 Components in front with JBL GTO 628 in rear
    Subs: 2 x 10" JBL GT-5 4ohms a piece
    Sub amp: Mb Quart ONX1.1000D
    Speaker Amp: Mb Quart ONX4.60
    Sub Box: Diamond Audio Dual Ported
    Wires: Knu KCA 0AWG w/ blocks down to 4AWG
    Optima Yellow Top with Big 3 in 0 gauge KnuKonceptz wire

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