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    Re: Sundown Audio SA12 bottoming out

    Quote Originally Posted by Jeffdachef View Post
    It doesnt sound like its actually mechanically bottoming out since op is not even playing low. Sounds like a weak dirty signal causing an overload of distortion. Had an issue like that with a guy swapping out a kenwood single din for a power acoustik double din and he lost soo much output and his sub sounded wierd when pushed.
    Guess he didn't know what to call this misleading thread. I would get a better HU.

    I don't get why people wanna replace everything else in the car/SUV/truck and leave the HU stock.



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    Re: Sundown Audio SA12 bottoming out

    It sounds to me like the sub is mechanically tapping but what do I know..The sub is getting 1000watts so it seemed like a possibility. I will try playing from a different source and see what happens, I'm really hoping this is the case.

    Quote Originally Posted by Boomin_tahoe View Post
    Guess he didn't know what to call this misleading thread. I would get a better HU.

    I don't get why people wanna replace everything else in the car/SUV/truck and leave the HU stock.
    Sorry if the thread title doesn't jive with your opinion dude, I titled it with what I thought was happening. I don't know what you mean by your second comment, my head unit is replaced




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    Re: Sundown Audio SA12 bottoming out

    Replaced with what?



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    Re: Sundown Audio SA12 bottoming out

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    Replaced with what?
    An Android double din from China, as I said above.




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    Re: Sundown Audio SA12 bottoming out

    Non brand name?



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    Re: Sundown Audio SA12 bottoming out

    They are manufactured by what I believe is the same manufacturer while they are released under multiple brand names. There is a mile long thread on XDA about them. Thread

    My brand is Klyde, while it was purchased at Eonon.com under what they advertised as their own brand head unit. 'Klyde' or 'Eonon' isn't branded anywhere on the unit, I found which brand is was by the firmware. There's a ton of details in the XDA thread.

    Here are more details about my setup:
    Klyde Android HU running android 4.4 and using Viper4Android audio drivers
    Sub amp - Soundstream Rubicon RUB1.1000D - 1000x1 @ 1ohm
    Sub - Sundown Audio SA 12 in sealed box - sized according to specs (~1 cu ft?)
    RCA - Stinger 4000 series
    Speaker wire - 12 gauge OFC skyhigh audio IIRC
    Power and RCA's are ran separately (RCA thru center console, power thru door sill)




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    Re: Sundown Audio SA12 bottoming out

    Quote Originally Posted by BRZ View Post
    They are manufactured by what I believe is the same manufacturer while they are released under multiple brand names. There is a mile long thread on XDA about them. Thread

    My brand is Klyde, while it was purchased at Eonon.com under what they advertised as their own brand head unit. 'Klyde' or 'Eonon' isn't branded anywhere on the unit, I found which brand is was by the firmware. There's a ton of details in the XDA thread.

    Here are more details about my setup:
    Klyde Android HU running android 4.4 and using Viper4Android audio drivers
    Sub amp - Soundstream Rubicon RUB1.1000D - 1000x1 @ 1ohm
    Sub - Sundown Audio SA 12 in sealed box - sized according to specs (~1 cu ft?)
    RCA - Stinger 4000 series
    Speaker wire - 12 gauge OFC skyhigh audio IIRC
    Power and RCA's are ran separately (RCA thru center console, power thru door sill)
    that head unit is what classifies as a toy head unit. Not a real Car audio head unit. Basically gives you features and bland weak sound with sh*T pre out voltages and cheap DACs. Going from an actual head unit to this wannabe smart tablet is obviously gonna have major negative effects on the sound system.

    Seems your preout voltage strength is less than a volt. While 4 volt pre outs is the standard for any audio setup.



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    Re: Sundown Audio SA12 bottoming out

    That looks like a stock HU made for mfgr's vehicles. That's nowhere near aftermarket. Sorry but if I haven't heard of the brand or unfamiliar with them, it's prob garbage. In this case, it's garbage.

    Spending around 100-200 bucks will get you a very nice AFTERMARKET hu.

    That said, how is that Rubicon amp treating you?



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    Re: Sundown Audio SA12 bottoming out

    Quote Originally Posted by Jeffdachef View Post
    that head unit is what classifies as a toy head unit. Not a real Car audio head unit. Basically gives you features and bland weak sound with sh*T pre out voltages and cheap DACs. Going from an actual head unit to this wannabe smart tablet is obviously gonna have major negative effects on the sound system.

    Seems your preout voltage strength is less than a volt. While 4 volt pre outs is the standard for any audio setup.
    I am aware it is basically a cheap tablet built into a double din case, I never thought or implied it is anything more. Like I said, the clicking I get from the sub sounds like the base of the cone is smacking the magnet and doesn't sound like distortion or a sq issue.

    I want to try to play from a different source and see what happens.



    Quote Originally Posted by Boomin_tahoe View Post
    That looks like a stock HU made for mfgr's vehicles. That's nowhere near aftermarket. Sorry but if I haven't heard of the brand or unfamiliar with them, it's prob garbage. In this case, it's garbage.

    Spending around 100-200 bucks will get you a very nice AFTERMARKET hu.

    That said, how is that Rubicon amp treating you?
    Yes I'm aware it's crap, what sold me is factory fitment without a kit and android..it's cool. I didn't buy this expecting sound quality.

    Love my 1000.D, hardly gets warm and have had no issues at all. I also have a RUB4.500 running my front stage -- this one gets a bit warm and I'm getting a static sound from my front left speaker when listening to podcasts and in certain tones in songs..Very frustrating trying to figure this out, ive already replaced a Dayton audio reference series 3.5" thinking the speaker was bad




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    Re: Sundown Audio SA12 bottoming out

    Quote Originally Posted by BRZ View Post
    I am aware it is basically a cheap tablet built into a double din case, I never thought or implied it is anything more. Like I said, the clicking I get from the sub sounds like the base of the cone is smacking the magnet and doesn't sound like distortion or a sq issue.

    I want to try to play from a different source and see what happens.




    Yes I'm aware it's crap, what sold me is factory fitment without a kit and android..it's cool. I didn't buy this expecting sound quality.

    Love my 1000.D, hardly gets warm and have had no issues at all. I also have a RUB4.500 running my front stage -- this one gets a bit warm and I'm getting a static sound from my front left speaker when listening to podcasts and in certain tones in songs..Very frustrating trying to figure this out, ive already replaced a Dayton audio reference series 3.5" thinking the speaker was bad
    The amount of power you need to actually make the woofer slap the magnet is a lot. You dont have anywhere near enough power to actually bottom out an SA 12. Not even close. Those metal banging sounds you hear can easily be caused from a horrible distorted signal, a bad ground, etc.. If you were running a 2k amp then yeah that would be suspect to bottoming out. Or a 1.5k amp but you play something that actually plays low. Like 10-27hz low. OR have a 3 cubic feet sealed box for a single 12.... The song you listed is only down to 35hz. At that point the sub would be barely moving due to the frequency alone. IT takes a fk ton for a sub to reach mechanical Xmax aka bottoming out. Here's an example skip to 2:00 at 2:20 would be when the sub is actually bottoming out SLIGHTLY and thats how it really looks and sounds like. It took that much power on FREE air to reach that point. You are in a sealed box which prevents a lot of bottoming out due to the design of the box being an air spring cushion. so its VERY unlikely that you are bottoming out at all.





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    Quote Originally Posted by BRZ View Post
    Does anyone have any thoughts on this? Is it possible that the sub is blown because it now taps when driven hard? It did not do this when I initially set up the system. I used to be able to drive it like crazy and it never tapped.
    means everything worked fine and was setup right, only thing that changed is the new head unit then all these issues appeared. Either you moved a ground loose somehow or the chinese head unit's pre-outs is causing you all sorts of distortion with the sh*t signal.



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    Re: Sundown Audio SA12 bottoming out

    Interesting, that's good news. What's a solution for bad ground, just regrounding somewhere else? I have 4 gauge now and I thought it was solid but I can double check

    And no, the head unit has been there since day 1.

    I noticed this after upgrading firmware but that's not to say it wasn't happening before. I can only hear the clicking when I'm in front of the sub. I was resetting gain/freq because I was changing EQ settings in the radio.

    I have the radio and amps all grounded at the same location because I read this is best.. not sure if this matters

    Maybe I'll revert back and see what happens. I really like this radio




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    Re: Sundown Audio SA12 bottoming out

    Pull the sub and free air it a bit to see if you hear any ticks as you take up the power

    I don't think it's the h/u
    Many many people have used those eonon units with great results
    You probably are near the upper limits of the sub




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    Re: Sundown Audio SA12 bottoming out

    Quote Originally Posted by tymoto21 View Post
    Pull the sub and free air it a bit to see if you hear any ticks as you take up the power

    I don't think it's the h/u
    Many many people have used those eonon units with great results
    You probably are near the upper limits of the sub
    That's what I think, but jeff said I'm not even close




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    Re: Sundown Audio SA12 bottoming out

    Quote Originally Posted by BRZ View Post
    Interesting, that's good news. What's a solution for bad ground, just regrounding somewhere else? I have 4 gauge now and I thought it was solid but I can double check

    And no, the head unit has been there since day 1.

    I noticed this after upgrading firmware but that's not to say it wasn't happening before. I can only hear the clicking when I'm in front of the sub. I was resetting gain/freq because I was changing EQ settings in the radio.

    I have the radio and amps all grounded at the same location because I read this is best.. not sure if this matters

    Maybe I'll revert back and see what happens. I really like this radio
    Why do you like the hu? Seems like a p.o.s. to me. I mean really... It doesnt even have a name... Like u said it goes by a couple different names. All that money spent on an amp and sub and u ruin it by a garbage deck. Smh




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    Re: Sundown Audio SA12 bottoming out

    Quote Originally Posted by EnvoyDenalii View Post
    Why do you like the hu? Seems like a p.o.s. to me. I mean really... It doesnt even have a name... Like u said it goes by a couple different names. All that money spent on an amp and sub and u ruin it by a garbage deck. Smh
    Lol, what does a label matter?

    I like it because it has a factory fit, I like having android, and no big name manufacturers make these units yet, plus I'm no hardcore sq person..I obviously want it to sound decent, and it does and has up until now. You sound like the type that would say my amps **** too because they are soundstream and were ~$150.




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