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    Decided to build a system.

    Small background story: had my car for 2 years, like most people that start out in car audio, I replaced speakers and headunit with something inexpensive, added a sub. But I soon realized my system was trash and decided it was time to make my first serious system. December 2016, I started gathering equipment. Got the PG amps on this forum from a great guy Gary Hoffmann.(garychoffmann)

    so, from top to bottom:
    Pioneer 80prs
    2x rockford fosgate PPT-4 bullet tweeters powered by my old Autotek 1200.2 amp(should be good for 2 tweeters)
    4x faital pro 8fe200 for front doors powered by PG Xenon 100.4
    my old kenwood 400rms sub with a PG xenon 400.1 monoblock. Now, I used to run this sub off the autotek amp, so I can't wait to hear it with the PG.


    That's all for now.

    next post, ill show my wiring which I am yet to do.



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    4x Faital pro 8fe200 in front doors powered by PG Xenon 100.4
    2x Rockford Fosgate PPT4 tweeters powered by autotek 1200.2
    Knu Kolossus 2mm vibro damping on doors.
    Wet Lead acid battery
    Sky High ofc 1/0 main cable, 14awg ofc speaker wire, Acoustic Research 12ft RCAs
    Knu BASIK 1/0 to 2 4ga distro block.
    Bought from:
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    Re: Decided to build a system.

    UPDATE TIME:



    My OFC sky high 1/0awg and 4awg power wires came in today.

    Only thing holding me up is the heatshrink, cable sleeving and lugs coming from China, because I'm not trying to spend $50 on 10 lugs!! Once those arrive I can start making my "big 4" cables, putting cables in sleeving and laying them in the car.
    I am yet to get started on the door cards, I need to wait for warmer weather to work with polyester resin.


    I also got these brass heavy duty truck battery terminals on ebay. Lots of room for connections!



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    4x Faital pro 8fe200 in front doors powered by PG Xenon 100.4
    2x Rockford Fosgate PPT4 tweeters powered by autotek 1200.2
    Knu Kolossus 2mm vibro damping on doors.
    Wet Lead acid battery
    Sky High ofc 1/0 main cable, 14awg ofc speaker wire, Acoustic Research 12ft RCAs
    Knu BASIK 1/0 to 2 4ga distro block.
    Bought from:
    garychoffmann - great guy to deal with!

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    Re: Decided to build a system.

    UPDATE TIME!! Winter's been killing me, no garage *****. But spring is coming, the beiches are gonna be horny so I don't have time to waste, my system gotta be on point ASAP. I made and installed the big 3 today.. Made my own cable lugs from a copper tube. Just as good as the store bought ones. Crimped using a $30 hydraulic crimper from ebay. The 1/2" copper tube BARELY fit the 70mm2 die in the crimper.

    Voltage now sitting at 14.3-14.2 with the car running and lights on. I think adding another wire from the - to the engine itself will give me 14.4. not that it really matters because I need an AGM battery anyway and if I want good bass I Need 2 as well as an alternator most likely. Will upgrade EVERYTHING as time goes on.

    So far I'm about 2k into the build. I'm thinking it's gonna be around 2k more for proper bass.







    yeah I just used blue electric tape because heatshrink is ovverated, it's technically the same thing. The best thing to use would be cloth electrical tape but whatever.

    Next I gotta lay out the speaker cables and the signal cables.
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    Pioneer prs80
    4x Faital pro 8fe200 in front doors powered by PG Xenon 100.4
    2x Rockford Fosgate PPT4 tweeters powered by autotek 1200.2
    Knu Kolossus 2mm vibro damping on doors.
    Wet Lead acid battery
    Sky High ofc 1/0 main cable, 14awg ofc speaker wire, Acoustic Research 12ft RCAs
    Knu BASIK 1/0 to 2 4ga distro block.
    Bought from:
    garychoffmann - great guy to deal with!

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    Re: Decided to build a system.

    not trying to knock you but these or worth every penny man...
    https://www.droppinhzcaraudio.com/co...ttery-terminal



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    Re: Decided to build a system.

    Quote Originally Posted by papermaker View Post
    not trying to knock you but these or worth every penny man...
    https://www.droppinhzcaraudio.com/co...ttery-terminal
    Nothing to do with "knocking".
    sure man I agree those are great but they're for bolt terminals. I, as you can see have regular post terminals, and these HD truck terminals are freakin awesome for the price cuz they got so much room to connect chyt.



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    4x Faital pro 8fe200 in front doors powered by PG Xenon 100.4
    2x Rockford Fosgate PPT4 tweeters powered by autotek 1200.2
    Knu Kolossus 2mm vibro damping on doors.
    Wet Lead acid battery
    Sky High ofc 1/0 main cable, 14awg ofc speaker wire, Acoustic Research 12ft RCAs
    Knu BASIK 1/0 to 2 4ga distro block.
    Bought from:
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    Re: Decided to build a system.

    https://www.droppinhzcaraudio.com/co...tery-terminals
    they are aluminum but when you want to upgrade this is the next best thing.
    those brass terminals **** when it comes to conductivity..
    https://www.bluesea.com/resources/10...y_of_Materials



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    Re: Decided to build a system.

    Quote Originally Posted by papermaker View Post
    https://www.droppinhzcaraudio.com/co...tery-terminals
    they are aluminum but when you want to upgrade this is the next best thing.
    those brass terminals **** when it comes to conductivity..
    https://www.bluesea.com/resources/10...y_of_Materials
    Will see. Gonna have to see how they perform. afaik a lot of distro blocks are made of brass too. if my voltage on the amps isn't much lower than the battery is it safe to assume brass is doing it's job well?

    They told me it was ok to use.



    Pioneer prs80
    4x Faital pro 8fe200 in front doors powered by PG Xenon 100.4
    2x Rockford Fosgate PPT4 tweeters powered by autotek 1200.2
    Knu Kolossus 2mm vibro damping on doors.
    Wet Lead acid battery
    Sky High ofc 1/0 main cable, 14awg ofc speaker wire, Acoustic Research 12ft RCAs
    Knu BASIK 1/0 to 2 4ga distro block.
    Bought from:
    garychoffmann - great guy to deal with!

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    Quote Originally Posted by LoudSound View Post
    Will see. Gonna have to see how they perform. afaik a lot of distro blocks are made of brass too. if my voltage on the amps isn't much lower than the battery is it safe to assume brass is doing it's job well?

    They told me it was ok to use.
    Resistance means losses and increased current draw for a given draw. On the surface its not drawing alot and seems fine but thats because the high restanse is cause less current flow and straing the system. Im sure its ok but the aluminum is substanually better.



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    Quote Originally Posted by papermaker View Post
    Resistance means losses and increased current draw for a given draw. On the surface its not drawing alot and seems fine but thats because the high restanse is cause less current flow and straing the system. Im sure its ok but the aluminum is substanually better.
    I'm not sure I follow you.
    So you're saying my alternator will suffer or it just won't be able to give all it's got? If my voltage on the amp reads 14v+ is it still gonna be limited by the brass terminals and result in not being able to play music as loud?

    I thought as long as my voltage doesn't dip too much I'm good?



    Pioneer prs80
    4x Faital pro 8fe200 in front doors powered by PG Xenon 100.4
    2x Rockford Fosgate PPT4 tweeters powered by autotek 1200.2
    Knu Kolossus 2mm vibro damping on doors.
    Wet Lead acid battery
    Sky High ofc 1/0 main cable, 14awg ofc speaker wire, Acoustic Research 12ft RCAs
    Knu BASIK 1/0 to 2 4ga distro block.
    Bought from:
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    Voltage is half the story.
    If you have so much resistance your current flow after the resistor is limited so you dont get voltage fluctuations. When the current compsumpion exceeds what the terminal can handle then it starts to try and pull more current tgen voltage drops more. This is kinda easy to fine because where the resistance/r is will get much hotter than the rest of the circuit.
    So in short its may be fine up to 100 amps tgen you see power loss..



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    I see, thanks for the heads up.

    Well brass is only 28% conductivity of copper so yeah it's pretty poor but up to 100a is good I just got these as starter terminals cuz they were cheap.

    I'll be upgrading them for sure. I Just needed something with lots of connection room; my stock terminals just had a bolt to connect stuff to.

    Interested to see how my lead acid(not agm) battery does with these 3 amps: 100x4, 400x1, and like 50x2 for tweeters. It's probably gonna be unusable at high volumes, I'll have to turn off the sub if I wanna blast the speakers. Which is ok) Because you can't hear the sub from 500 feet anyway

    Maybe I'll make my own terminals from a copper block =)



    Pioneer prs80
    4x Faital pro 8fe200 in front doors powered by PG Xenon 100.4
    2x Rockford Fosgate PPT4 tweeters powered by autotek 1200.2
    Knu Kolossus 2mm vibro damping on doors.
    Wet Lead acid battery
    Sky High ofc 1/0 main cable, 14awg ofc speaker wire, Acoustic Research 12ft RCAs
    Knu BASIK 1/0 to 2 4ga distro block.
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    Re: Decided to build a system.

    Pics incoming soon, sorry camera broke.

    -Oversized 0 gauge power cable is in, wrapped in "snake skin" of course. The rca's are laid out, as are the speaker cables.

    -Picked up some decent VIBRO DAMPING material today.

    The box with 20 sheets is pretty darn heavy. I'm pretty stoked to install it just gotta wait till my roller arrives and I can go in on the doors. But not before installing the universal power window kit. Had no choice there.. The window roller was in the way of the bullet tweeter mounting spot.



    Yeah my car would be considered a shitbox by many, but I don't care, and I will dump money into vibrodamping it because I take care of it chyt and it's not really rusted and I plan to keep it that way.

    So yeah, you could say "My install is coming along nicely"



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    4x Faital pro 8fe200 in front doors powered by PG Xenon 100.4
    2x Rockford Fosgate PPT4 tweeters powered by autotek 1200.2
    Knu Kolossus 2mm vibro damping on doors.
    Wet Lead acid battery
    Sky High ofc 1/0 main cable, 14awg ofc speaker wire, Acoustic Research 12ft RCAs
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    Decided to build a system.

    knu kolossus sound deadener was applied fully to the outer panel, and partially to the inner, some was applied to the door trim.

    Doors made to fit drivers and are painted with bedliner coating. To install the drivers, I pressed those nuts with "teeth" into the speaker rings because if you just use screws eventually the mdf will wear out and speakers will start falling out or worse you might break the rings.. ideally the rings should be lasercut from plexiglass.. but I used 3/4 MDF

    And before anyone says anything, I know the doors look like shyt because I failed at wrapping the trim, I'm gonna redo it!



    Words can't describe it, but this thing sounds DEADLY... it's loud as hell and very clean as expected with this awesome amp/hu/drivers combo

    Last edited by LoudSound; 04-17-2017 at 02:03 AM.



    Pioneer prs80
    4x Faital pro 8fe200 in front doors powered by PG Xenon 100.4
    2x Rockford Fosgate PPT4 tweeters powered by autotek 1200.2
    Knu Kolossus 2mm vibro damping on doors.
    Wet Lead acid battery
    Sky High ofc 1/0 main cable, 14awg ofc speaker wire, Acoustic Research 12ft RCAs
    Knu BASIK 1/0 to 2 4ga distro block.
    Bought from:
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    Re: Decided to build a system.

    HPF set at 200hz, max volume, this thing gets LOUD. Of course that's for when you wanna put on a show.. inside you set HPF to 80-100 and turn up until stuff starts rattling(the metal doesn't rattle but I believe the wiring does, you could wrap it too so it won't rattle...) that's at LEAST volume 40 though.. some tracks it won't rattle at all..Faital pro 8fe200 got hella midbass, sick drivers.

    I think I'll be fine with the door treatment for now. The protection against rattles is more than adequate.

    I'm gonna do a proper video soon to show you guys.

    I'm really happy that I bought the PG xenon 100.4 amp on this forum from garychoffmann and not some ppi because this thing legit sounds awesome.

    Now comes the hard part - tuning



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    4x Faital pro 8fe200 in front doors powered by PG Xenon 100.4
    2x Rockford Fosgate PPT4 tweeters powered by autotek 1200.2
    Knu Kolossus 2mm vibro damping on doors.
    Wet Lead acid battery
    Sky High ofc 1/0 main cable, 14awg ofc speaker wire, Acoustic Research 12ft RCAs
    Knu BASIK 1/0 to 2 4ga distro block.
    Bought from:
    garychoffmann - great guy to deal with!

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