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    Re: Cdts and AT

    Quote Originally Posted by DonH View Post
    yup. dont cross below 110hz on any more than 70rms per side thou. them mids dont have that much excursion.
    Thanks for the advice... They're getting around 100 now. What slope? I've had them set as low as 70hz/-24db, and as high as 120/-6. If they don't like that much wattage, I may put them back on the eclipse amp. I was just trying to get a little bit more loudness....



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    Re: Cdts and AT

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    I can tell that both owners were very nice to them. They look/sound fantastic.
    Except for that crossover that I took a jackhammer to :P
    Quote Originally Posted by DonH View Post
    yup. dont cross below 110hz on any more than 70rms per side thou. them mids dont have that much excursion.
    Yea, that's why I had to step up to the Crescendo MP6 mids. I had them on about 100w per side. And just couldn't turn my volume up too high. That's my only complaint for them. Everything else is phenomenal. The mid-bass is even really good at lower volumes, just not when you bottom them out.

    Quote Originally Posted by av83 View Post
    Thanks for the advice... They're getting around 100 now. What slope? I've had them set as low as 70hz/-24db, and as high as 120/-6. If they don't like that much wattage, I may put them back on the eclipse amp. I was just trying to get a little bit more loudness....
    If you haven't had a problem at 70hz with that slope, then you're fine. You'll hear them bottom out, and just back down the volume a bit. You'll know it when you hear it, it's like a loud clap or pop. Nothing to shit your pants over, just turn it down a click or two.



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    Re: Cdts and AT

    Finally mounted the tweets to the sails properly. When situated directly on top of the stock tweeter locations, it looks like a natural extension of the sails. I love the way it turned out, and it was sooo easy. Used some Loctite epoxy for plastics to join the back of the tweeter mount to the sail. I love the way it looks... the pic doesn't do it justice.




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    So, since I had to take the door panels off anyways, I went ahead and did something I didn't know I was supposed to do a few months ago when I installed these. I placed two layers of closed cell foam tape (one layer wasn't thick enough to bridge the gap) around the CL-6. The difference that less than a 5 spot worth of foam tape made is unbelievable.



    Today I ran about 80 feet of wire from the inside of the doors to the trunk of my car for an active setup on this set. I was doubting that it would make a difference. The cl-6 woofer and tw-25 tweet are cdt's entry level gear and all... I was very, very wrong. It sounds incomparably better. There are no words to describe how amazing my front stage sounds now. No words, but plenty of goosebumps on my arms. Its phenomenal.



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    Re: Cdts and AT

    Quote Originally Posted by av83 View Post
    So, since I had to take the door panels off anyways, I went ahead and did something I didn't know I was supposed to do a few months ago when I installed these. I placed two layers of closed cell foam tape (one layer wasn't thick enough to bridge the gap) around the CL-6. The difference that less than a 5 spot worth of foam tape made is unbelievable.



    Today I ran about 80 feet of wire from the inside of the doors to the trunk of my car for an active setup on this set. I was doubting that it would make a difference. The cl-6 woofer and tw-25 tweet are cdt's entry level gear and all... I was very, very wrong. It sounds incomparably better. There are no words to describe how amazing my front stage sounds now. No words, but plenty of goosebumps on my arms. Its phenomenal.
    why the foam?




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    Re: Cdts and AT

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    why the foam?
    Quote Originally Posted by keep_hope_alive View Post
    the issue here is not the speakers. it's extremely common.

    the reason? seals.

    no, not the kind that get eaten by sharks as narrated by Sigourney Weaver.

    the kind of seals created with perfectly crafted mounts and foam weatherstripping.

    what you need to do is recreate the factory seals. these exist in two main locations.
    1. between the woofer and the metal.
    2. between the woofer and teh plastic door panel grill opening.

    #2 is usually missed.

    the door panel acts as the front baffle of the enclosure since the door metal has huge holes in it. the rear wave from the speaker combines with the front - cancelling it out.

    midbass/bass is all about seals and isolating front from rear.
    That is why, CAT MAN.

    And thank you, keep_hope_alive.... Made an enormous difference.



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    Re: Cdts and AT

    physics wins again!



    have you been helped by me? i'd love to know. shoot me a PM.

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    Re: Cdts and AT

    Quote Originally Posted by keep_hope_alive View Post
    physics wins again!
    won big with that little tip. I can't believe that 1) I didn't read/hear about this when researching for my lil install, and 2) no one brings it up when answering the eight-times-a-day noob questions about making speakers sound decent. Going active and installing that foam made my $80, used, entry-level cdt comps sound like I paid waaaaaay more than I did.



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    I am the only one I see on forums recommending foam seals. It is vital to keep sound out of the door panel cavity. Those cheap and easy seals provide better imaging, better midbass, and more natural midrange.

    You have experienced how install effort is more important than money spent. Congrats and job well done!



    have you been helped by me? i'd love to know. shoot me a PM.

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    Re: Cdts and AT

    Quote Originally Posted by av83 View Post
    Finally mounted the tweets to the sails properly. When situated directly on top of the stock tweeter locations, it looks like a natural extension of the sails. I love the way it turned out, and it was sooo easy. Used some Loctite epoxy for plastics to join the back of the tweeter mount to the sail. I love the way it looks... the pic doesn't do it justice.

    I agree it looks good... If only the tweeter was painted to match...



    have you been helped by me? i'd love to know. shoot me a PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by keep_hope_alive View Post
    I am the only one I see on forums recommending foam seals. It is vital to keep sound out of the door panel cavity. Those cheap and easy seals provide better imaging, better midbass, and more natural midrange.
    I'm glad that you spoke up about it. I may have never known had you not recommended it to that noob in distress a couple of months ago.

    Quote Originally Posted by keep_hope_alive View Post
    You have experienced how install effort is more important than money spent. Congrats and job well done!
    I have. And, thank you. Means a lot, considering who's giving the kudos here.



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    Quote Originally Posted by keep_hope_alive View Post
    I agree it looks good... If only the tweeter was painted to match...
    My whole interior is a cheap-looking, grey, and blah... the black tweets (along with the h/u, hvac, and gauge cluster) are actually making it look a bit better, imo.



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    My whole interior is a cheap-looking, grey, and blah... the black tweets (along with the h/u, hvac, and gauge cluster) are actually making it look a bit better, imo.
    Sometimes it's nice seeing the speakers instead of hiding them. I think speakers are beautiful?

    I used a silver hammered paint for plastics, disassembled my dash pieces, and painted the black and grey silver. I like it, but it would have been much better in a black car. You just gotta make it your own and enjoy it.



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    Re: Cdts and AT

    Quote Originally Posted by keep_hope_alive View Post
    Sometimes it's nice seeing the speakers instead of hiding them. I think speakers are beautiful?
    It is, and they most certainly are.

    Quote Originally Posted by keep_hope_alive View Post
    You just gotta make it your own and enjoy it.
    And, I do! I actually enjoy this hobby a lot, despite not having much money to throw at it. In fact, making a little sound like a lot more is where a lot of the joy comes from.



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