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    Re: 2001 Accord EX Sedan - it's long

    took some updated RTA measurements.

    i've disconnected the kick panel speakers. both the 6.5" and 4" are off.

    i have some Vifa and Peerless 2" full range speakers laying around. I previously tried the Vifa in the factory dash corners and the Peerless in the apillars (that previously held my Oz tweeters). they were wired in parallel.

    I ran all four 2" mids up front with no tweeters. the 6.5's in the doors handled midbass. there was overlap between midbass and mids.



    while this looks fine and dandy, it didn't sound that great. the highs were not detailed, just a lot of reflected noise.

    so i put my Vifa tweeter spheres back in, wired a 4.5uF cap in series with the tweeters and wired that in parallel with the 2" Vifa mid.
    I got this:



    which is much nicer. lots of detail.


    both configurations had a nice sound stage - very well centered, good depth, height, and width. but the second config was just better in every way.



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    Re: 2001 Accord EX Sedan - it's long

    this was the previous configuration with all four 2" mids.





    the mids in the apillars weren't doing it for me. so my newer apillars with the spheres are back in.
    yes, i have two sets of apillars, one with spheres and one with pods. makes changing easy.



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    Re: 2001 Accord EX Sedan - it's long

    you may hardly notice a difference in the two RTA graphs, but they sounded completely different.

    just proof that no one can judge a car from RTA alone. so much more goes into it.



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    Re: 2001 Accord EX Sedan - it's long

    Quote Originally Posted by keep_hope_alive View Post
    you may hardly notice a difference in the two RTA graphs, but they sounded completely different.

    just proof that no one can judge a car from RTA alone. so much more goes into it.
    eyeballing those values, they look **** near identical .. especially in the range you were referring to




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    Re: 2001 Accord EX Sedan - it's long

    Quote Originally Posted by keep_hope_alive View Post
    you may hardly notice a difference in the two RTA graphs, but they sounded completely different.

    just proof that no one can judge a car from RTA alone. so much more goes into it.
    Well there's minor differences, but noticeable. Graph overall is shaped the same, but the bottom one is overall louder, and has differences in a few frequencies. Really interesting to see that vs. what you experienced while listening.



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    Re: 2001 Accord EX Sedan - it's long

    I added some Maxwell BCAP3000's to the trunk and am using a RF 800a2 for a while.






    the baffle for the sub as moving under high volumes - and causing a drum head effect.

    so i thickened the baffle to 2-1/4" thick. it nests into the opening. i used Green Glue damping adhesive between each layer









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    Re: 2001 Accord EX Sedan - it's long

    got the ultracaps mounted


    some self-fusing silicone for insurance


    covered


    made a new beauty panel


    carpeted


    made a new floor transition since the previous floor was raised due to the full size spare


    glued, screwed, and carpeted


    done





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    Re: 2001 Accord EX Sedan - it's long

    oh, and the new front speakers.
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    Re: 2001 Accord EX Sedan - it's long

    Got a new head unit today. Alpine CDE-HD149BT. Their best single DIN today.

    Host of features with excellent processing built-in.
    Paired with my Droid Razr Maxx very well via BT. Pandora, Audio, Phone all excellent.

    The BioLite display is awesome this time, very legible.













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    Re: 2001 Accord EX Sedan - it's long

    Nice head unit. I'm still a big fan of the older models rather than the new ones. I don't like the fact that they took out the motorized feature on all of their hu. You've been in the game for so long with multiple different setups. What dash kit are you using? I have the same car and am doing my install soon. You may see some more pms from me asking about the car/install.




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    Quote Originally Posted by quakerroatmeal View Post
    Nice head unit. I'm still a big fan of the older models rather than the new ones. I don't like the fact that they took out the motorized feature on all of their hu. You've been in the game for so long with multiple different setups. What dash kit are you using? I have the same car and am doing my install soon. You may see some more pms from me asking about the car/install.
    Not a dash kit. I use the ISO mounts and then cut my own plastic cover. ISO mounts are more secure being metal (basically use the factory radio mounts and the screws that come with the HU). I will soon modify the dash opening to look like the stock hole is perfectly sized and put gauges below. You could probably buy a mounting kit but try to use the ISO mounts instead. This car really begs for a double din HU - i just don't really care for one.

    I have used Alpine for over 17 years. I have owned, bought, sold 30+ head units of various brands but more than half were Alpine. All were sold in perfect working condition. I change because I like to experience a HU and the only way to experience it is to live with it. A quick Demo in a store isn't enough unless you've owned something similar and go through the paces.

    There are only a few that make my list of tops; the CDA-7930 (for sentimental reasons as well as basic simplicity), the CDA-9887 is in the Top 3, and i think this new one will round it out. I've watched their evolution. I don't like the display and buttons on the 7949, I liked the 7939 but not the volume "dial". The 7940 and 7941 were decent as well, and getting some color into the simple display was nice. Their 3-disc changer units were clunky. The 7995 was nice but i didn't like the group of silver head units nor their displays. The phantom face was just too complicated and often covered A/C controls. The 79** series of dead heads were all good SQ decks but always lacked modern integration features of their competition unless you bought expensive external boxes. Those boxes were just a turn-off for many. Ai-Net was a nice standard and i'm disappointed they abandoned it. The CDM series and CDE series were basic and simple, but too simple. The 98** series had some good built-in features when no on else was doing it, once they got to the 9811 and newer. Their glide touch was awkward. While I like the simplicity of the older units, I recognize the convenience of modern features. I am big on menu structure and ease of use vs. features. They big screens with multiple lines of seven-segment LCD text is just unattractive. The evolution of display business went from simple to busy then back to simple. I was never a huge fan of the displays between the late 90's and today. I think their BioLite display is one of the best in the industry. It looks good, natural, is legible, and the closest thing to a nice stock display. It allows the head unit to blend into the dash so much better. I like adjustable illumination colors. some of the previous units didn't let you change all of the buttons (like the 9887 which kept a few buttons blue while others were green) or you have red or green buttons but blue LCD text. The HD149BT changes all button colors and with BioLite display it looks natural. I like listening to Pandora at times and I dislike having cables plugged into the phone and managing cables. This is my first time with Bluetooth in the car. I experienced it in other installs i've done and wasn't happy with the fidelity. I've found that with electronic music (house, trance, etc.) lower bit rates are more forgiving. I've had Sirius in cars since 2002, and again fidelity issues prevent me from continuing to run it. Alpine has worried me at times. The 9887 saved what was a pretty crappy lineup for a few years. The 117 just wasn't enough for me and seemed to be a combination of not enough and too early to be great. I'm glad that price point has been maintained while quality and feature set expanded. $300 for the HD149BT is **** competitive. This is one of the first brand new in a box head units i've bought in a very long time. But it was worth it.

    I can tolerate 320kbps .mp3 and I do appreciate the convenience of having a good selection at my fingertips. I've been carting CD's around since I got my first car. Over the years, CD's have been lost, loaned out, scratched, etc. from normal use. I use cases and am OK with that. any critical listening is through original CD's or burns from .wav rips.

    The 9887 is one of the best headunits i've used as far as built-in tuning AND accessibility to tuning is concerned. Very intuitive. The newest head unit is a step in the right direction - good processing as standard, excellent modern features, and one of the easiest to read displays in the industry. Button feel and faceplate quality is typical Alpine - very high standards. I know this head unit will continue to work in 15 years.



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    Re: 2001 Accord EX Sedan - it's long

    Well I hope mine is as well, lol forgive me had to go with the double din in mine, just wouldn't look right any other way.




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    Re: 2001 Accord EX Sedan - it's long

    Quote Originally Posted by red13_69_84 View Post
    Well I hope mine is as well, lol forgive me had to go with the double din in mine, just wouldn't look right any other way.
    I agree that a double din will usually look much nicer in an opening this large. I just have other plans for that space... once I get around to it...
    when I am done it should look pretty good



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    Im curious about the Ultra Subs A-12. I saw your review for them, but im wondering how you liked it in your IB wall compared your previous set up. not that it matters too much since I cannot find these or the oz subs anywhere! very awesome build by the way. I might have to "borrow" the idea of those tweeter spheres. Any reason why you mounted the new tweets off axis?




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    Quote Originally Posted by bradsworth View Post
    Im curious about the Ultra Subs A-12. I saw your review for them, but im wondering how you liked it in your IB wall compared your previous set up. not that it matters too much since I cannot find these or the oz subs anywhere! very awesome build by the way. I might have to "borrow" the idea of those tweeter spheres. Any reason why you mounted the new tweets off axis?
    i am happy with the A-12. enough output for my needs and very musical in this configuration. The Ultra Subs LV series is even better.

    I have plans for the tweeters in other configurations, but due to their inverted dome configuration they do very well off axis and the sound stage is very well defined and placed.

    the spheres work great. the new tweeters won't work with spheres because they are too large and the edge of the tweeter surround is inset on the face (due to their huge magnet). best tweeters for spheres are 1.2" diameter or smaller.



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