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    Re: 2001 Accord EX Sedan - it's long

    The past few months I have been collecting some old school (1996) alpine amps to replace the xtant amps. my reasons are several, but the overall reason was for more crossover control without moving to external processors... and i wanted to play with these amps.

    I collected these three but will get another soon. All used but in working condition and decent cosmetic condition (complete with all screws, etc).

    Alpine MRV-F405 (4ch)
    Alpine MRV-F505 (4ch)
    Alpine MRV-1005 (2ch to be replaced with a MRV-1505)

    the two four channel amps will be configured to run the front stage. they offer bandpass crossovers on each channel with a x20 switch to allow full active capability (in 1996!)

    I have cleaned the F505 since this picture was taken. The F505 is the roughest of the bunch but was the hardest to find.






    so i removed everything from the trunk, pulled out the carpet, and began re-doing the wiring. for now, the head unit powers the doors and tweeters for some music in the interim.

    all speaker wire is being replaced, 8 channels. 4 left and 4 right. two to the dash for a tweeter and 2" mid. one to the kicks and one to the door. i may only run6 at a time, but will have control of that back at the amps. commercial grade speaker wire with a heavy duty jacket is being used.

    RCA's are nicer Monster Cable. a 4-ch and a 2-ch.

    the two four channels are going on the driver's side. that way i can easily switch channels around as i see fit. the sub amp will be on the passenger side which gives options for amp size.

    power and ground distribution remains as-is. it was already what i needed.

    ultracapacitors are now on the driver's side. i removed the old amp mount and made a new one. this one is further recessed into the side. my goal is to gain more width to fit my rifle cases. sadly, the last configuration was too narrow for them.

    my previous panels were 3/4" MDF. while sturdy they were very heavy. new panels are 3/4" birch ply.
    all mounts for amps and amp boards are with machine screws (8-32 for amps and 10-24 for panels). threaded inserts are used instead of t-nuts this time for a few reasons.



    i started with a frame for the ultra caps that also acts as a mount for the lower amp. the frame is 2x4's on the top and bottom with 3/4" birch on the sides. 1/4" treated ply for a backing and bottom strip. the frame was ripped down to 2-3/4" wide to match the caps.




    the F505 goes on the bottom because it won't fit on the top. extra work had to be done to make sure the amp heat sinks were clear. fans will be used on the heat sinks.


    the F405 will go above.



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    Re: 2001 Accord EX Sedan - it's long

    The F405 is in very good condition







    have you been helped by me? i'd love to know. shoot me a PM.

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    Re: 2001 Accord EX Sedan - it's long

    getting those mounting boards the way i wanted them took a lot longer than i had expected. there is only 1/2" clear with the amps stacked the way i am mounting them. they are much taller (wider) than the xtant amps before them. keeping the amps vertical and using the recessed portion of the trunk was necessary to also stay clear of the trunk lid hinge.

    cosmetically, i won't be able to fully frame both amps. a beauty panel will be made, of course, and will need to obscure part of the lower F505 due to the raised floor (remember i have a full-size spare). i cannot decide how much, if any, to show of the lower amp. i want to show the same amount top and bottom. so i may just reveal the middle with controls and power indicator.



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    Quote Originally Posted by BigSix View Post
    Who the fuck are you to come in here and criticize like this? What gives you the right to say if he is qualified to give out advice? Please enlighten us of all the members on here you have helped and tell us how you have contributed to this community on here. Better yet lets see YOUR build log and lets compare how much you know about this hobby.
    it's cool. everyone is allowed to criticize. in fact, negative criticism is how we learn and are pushed to be better. best to assume the poster has experience with cars that are legitimately better, so much so, that my effort looks half ***. that is what i believe.

    my use of carpet for speaker grills, plastic hu trim, and carpeted panels/seams are indeed a lack of effort on my part. as i explained, i'm not a master fabricator and my skills for making appropriate vinyl wrapped or filled/painted panels are limited. i'm at a point where i do need help with making the car look better. i can make it sound great.

    lack of posts doesn't make someone a n00b. the guy likely has more experience and skills than most on this forum.



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    Re: 2001 Accord EX Sedan - it's long

    more progress, less than i had hoped over the weekend but slow and steady...

    top board ready with 10-24 inserts


    top mounts secured in a few ways, angle brackets are just one way (it is sturdy)




    how they fit



    i'm adding a relay behind the top mount that will act as a amp turn-on, and another that will act as a fan turn-on. given our winters, i'm not sure a fan is required all of the time (and I want the ability to turn them off in case they are audible). i will have temperature monitoring on one of the amps.



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    Re: 2001 Accord EX Sedan - it's long

    Cool updates. Hard to believe those amps are better equipped than most on the market today. How will you handle monitoring the temperature of the amp? I have overheating issues and would like to setup a temp controlled fan so I'm not drawing the power when not needed.

    Also I have a 2000 Acura TL which is very similar to your accord. Have you had any issues with your exhaust heating up your trunk excessively? or have you already taken measures to prevent excess heat? I took a temp recording after an hour of driving and my trunk was well over 150 degrees. It doesn't seem to get enough ventilation since I sealed it off for IB.




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    Re: 2001 Accord EX Sedan - it's long

    Quote Originally Posted by bradsworth View Post
    Cool updates. Hard to believe those amps are better equipped than most on the market today. How will you handle monitoring the temperature of the amp? I have overheating issues and would like to setup a temp controlled fan so I'm not drawing the power when not needed.

    Also I have a 2000 Acura TL which is very similar to your accord. Have you had any issues with your exhaust heating up your trunk excessively? or have you already taken measures to prevent excess heat? I took a temp recording after an hour of driving and my trunk was well over 150 degrees. It doesn't seem to get enough ventilation since I sealed it off for IB.
    you can use pretty much any 12 volt digital temp controller, i thought about trying one out in my car. KHA i love checking out your work, i like that you change your equipment around so often trying to better what was there previously. keep up the good work man





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    Then obviously I am asking the wrong person, because you don't know how to hook up subs if they sounded like "****". Maybe learn your ohms and your diagrams before you call something ****. Learn to make boxes to specs and use the right wires and its called dynomat. Then maybe your car wouldn't of sounded like ****, yeah?

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    Quote Originally Posted by bradsworth View Post
    Cool updates. Hard to believe those amps are better equipped than most on the market today. How will you handle monitoring the temperature of the amp? I have overheating issues and would like to setup a temp controlled fan so I'm not drawing the power when not needed.

    Also I have a 2000 Acura TL which is very similar to your accord. Have you had any issues with your exhaust heating up your trunk excessively? or have you already taken measures to prevent excess heat? I took a temp recording after an hour of driving and my trunk was well over 150 degrees. It doesn't seem to get enough ventilation since I sealed it off for IB.
    my trunk is never excessively hot, but i do have a lot of deadener on the floor and it does have a radiant foil barrier. i will be adding more radiant insulation on the floor now that these amps are going in. earlier in the build i had a multi-meter section and it includes a temperature monitor, i'll be using that. but fans are something all of my systems have - it just happened that my xtant amps had built-in fans so i didn't need external. with these amps i'll have external cooling and another fan behind the rack blowing out. but that means i need to vent the trunk again to pull air in.

    Quote Originally Posted by phemps View Post
    you can use pretty much any 12 volt digital temp controller, i thought about trying one out in my car. KHA i love checking out your work, i like that you change your equipment around so often trying to better what was there previously. keep up the good work man
    i also change just because this is my hobby and once i finish i feel like i need something else to do.



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    Re: 2001 Accord EX Sedan - it's long

    Quote Originally Posted by bradsworth View Post
    Cool updates. Hard to believe those amps are better equipped than most on the market today. How will you handle monitoring the temperature of the amp? I have overheating issues and would like to setup a temp controlled fan so I'm not drawing the power when not needed.

    Also I have a 2000 Acura TL which is very similar to your accord. Have you had any issues with your exhaust heating up your trunk excessively? or have you already taken measures to prevent excess heat? I took a temp recording after an hour of driving and my trunk was well over 150 degrees. It doesn't seem to get enough ventilation since I sealed it off for IB.
    my trunk is never excessively hot, but i do have a lot of deadener on the floor and it does have a radiant foil barrier. i will be adding more radiant insulation on the floor now that these amps are going in. earlier in the build i had a multi-meter section and it includes a temperature monitor, i'll be using that. but fans are something all of my systems have - it just happened that my xtant amps had built-in fans so i didn't need external. with these amps i'll have external cooling and another fan behind the rack blowing out. but that means i need to vent the trunk again to pull air in.

    Quote Originally Posted by phemps View Post
    you can use pretty much any 12 volt digital temp controller, i thought about trying one out in my car. KHA i love checking out your work, i like that you change your equipment around so often trying to better what was there previously. keep up the good work man
    i also change just because this is my hobby and once i finish i feel like i need something else to do.



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    Re: 2001 Accord EX Sedan - it's long

    Finally, got the Hertz Mille in. it's too late to really comment, other than i am exhausted and happy at the same time.









    the spheres were previously used in the Scion tC for testing, then in the floorstanding enclosures. i'll get the logos aligned next. They are currently aimed at the bottom of the opposite c-pillar.







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    Re: 2001 Accord EX Sedan - it's long

    Quote Originally Posted by keep_hope_alive View Post
    my trunk is never excessively hot, but i do have a lot of deadener on the floor and it does have a radiant foil barrier. i will be adding more radiant insulation on the floor now that these amps are going in. earlier in the build i had a multi-meter section and it includes a temperature monitor, i'll be using that. but fans are something all of my systems have - it just happened that my xtant amps had built-in fans so i didn't need external. with these amps i'll have external cooling and another fan behind the rack blowing out. but that means i need to vent the trunk again to pull air in.



    i also change just because this is my hobby and once i finish i feel like i need something else to do.
    I can relate to you there for sure





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    Quote Originally Posted by Altec View Post
    Then obviously I am asking the wrong person, because you don't know how to hook up subs if they sounded like "****". Maybe learn your ohms and your diagrams before you call something ****. Learn to make boxes to specs and use the right wires and its called dynomat. Then maybe your car wouldn't of sounded like ****, yeah?

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    Quote Originally Posted by keep_hope_alive View Post
    my trunk is never excessively hot, but i do have a lot of deadener on the floor and it does have a radiant foil barrier. i will be adding more radiant insulation on the floor now that these amps are going in. earlier in the build i had a multi-meter section and it includes a temperature monitor, i'll be using that. but fans are something all of my systems have - it just happened that my xtant amps had built-in fans so i didn't need external. with these amps i'll have external cooling and another fan behind the rack blowing out. but that means i need to vent the trunk again to pull air in.



    i also change just because this is my hobby and once i finish i feel like i need something else to do.
    I can relate to you there for sure





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    Quote Originally Posted by Altec View Post
    Then obviously I am asking the wrong person, because you don't know how to hook up subs if they sounded like "****". Maybe learn your ohms and your diagrams before you call something ****. Learn to make boxes to specs and use the right wires and its called dynomat. Then maybe your car wouldn't of sounded like ****, yeah?

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    It is difficult to put into words how good the Hertz Mille speakers sound. I've done a lot to this car and I have experimented with a lot of different components.

    The detail and subtle intricacies of music are now revealed. I'm hearing things in songs that was simply missed before. Impact and attack are insane. I have to be real careful with levels because the overall SPL is much higher but everything sounds so good you don't really notice until you get out of the car and your ears are ringing.

    The sound stage has more depth and separation than ever before.

    I am finally happy.



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    Re: 2001 Accord EX Sedan - it's long

    today was MLV day. interior has been out for a few weeks. time to ride in quiet.


    laid the radiant barrier down first then the vinyl barrier on top.








    i did remove the factory padding from the carpet to gain some thickness back. everything installed without any issues.








    also running an Ultra PRM-12 currently. Wired it in series on the MRV-1005. DCR is 6 ohms in series.



    i need to redo the carpeting on the IB wall. i'm thinking either vinyl or painted.
    i also need to redo the wiring for the coils, this was a 5 minute temporary wiring job.



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    Re: 2001 Accord EX Sedan - it's long

    oh, and i did get the amps wired up, but the F505 was just too big to go down low.

    speaker wires are routed up the wheel well inside and route behind the amp rack. RCA's for the driver's side come from the rear of the trunk and route around to the passenger side. Maximum signal separation was the goal with any crossings at 90 deg. angles.

    originally, i had all 8 speaker wire pairs (4 left and 4 right) routed to the driver's side with both 4 channel amps. I came to find that putting the larger MRV-F505 on the bottom didn't work out for cabling - the RCA connectors were too close to the wheel well for my comfort and everything was too tight. So I went with the original plan of the MRV-1005 on the bottom. Now I have 4 pairs routed to each side. Speaker wires are commercial grade for use in buildings and are shielded. They have a heavy duty jacket and no extra loom is required. I will end up with more zip ties when I reassemble.


    not done securing the wires that cross sides yet. I have large coils of wire up under the front mats right now.






    in order to control fans separate from amps, i have a pair of relays wired to a terminal block. I previously ran CAT5 to the trunk for control of amps or fans. I have a meter set that includes VU meters, voltage, and amp temp. I am going to monitor the lower amp temp. During the winter, fans may be unnecessary, and for any judging I don't want the noise. But summers are just as hot as anywhere else and fans will be a good idea (three total to cover top and bottom heat sinks of both amps)




    i did decide to carpet the mounting boards once i finalized the size.





    this time around i can actually get to the taillight bulbs and wires without removing an amp mounting board (the xtant board blocked it). I do need a mirror to adjust the amp settings on the side though, luckily that isn't something i will do often.

    ---------- Post added at 12:22 AM ---------- Previous post was at 12:21 AM ----------





    there are a lot of wires coming through one spot there - all power or ground. I am not thrilled with how they are routed, i will need to make something to secure and fan them out - i'm thinking brackets. I have separate power and ground for both amps, the cap bank, and control/remote/fan/etc. I also have signal and power from the front coming through from under the IB wall between power and ground distribution.



    have you been helped by me? i'd love to know. shoot me a PM.

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