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    Re: Buck Box Designs /// 6th order AQ hdc3.0 single 10"

    I would like to know how firing the rear port into the front chamber works? Does it act like a normal 6th order because the front port has unloaded?

    looks like a nice box. Have fun with it!



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    Re: Buck Box Designs /// 6th order AQ hdc3.0 single 10"

    Quote Originally Posted by duanebro View Post
    I would like to know how firing the rear port into the front chamber works? Does it act like a normal 6th order because the front port has unloaded?

    looks like a nice box. Have fun with it!
    It's hard to explain, at least for me.



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    Re: Buck Box Designs /// 6th order AQ hdc3.0 single 10"

    Quote Originally Posted by duanebro View Post
    I would like to know how firing the rear port into the front chamber works? Does it act like a normal 6th order because the front port has unloaded?

    looks like a nice box. Have fun with it!
    Maybe @Moble Enclosurs could chime in. But don't expect a short response lol




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    Re: Buck Box Designs /// 6th order AQ hdc3.0 single 10"

    1" wood? looks thick.




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    Re: Buck Box Designs /// 6th order AQ hdc3.0 single 10"

    Its 3/4" thick MDF, and the baffle is 1" pressed Wood.




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    Re: Buck Box Designs /// 6th order AQ hdc3.0 single 10"

    Yummy. Wish I could hear this. Bet its ridiculous.



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    Re: Buck Box Designs /// 6th order AQ hdc3.0 single 10"

    If you look at a typical quasi 6th order, you will notice that it is not much different than a typical bass reflex firing into another area at which, based on even more physical constraints, the resonances within that area also conform to the response. If you look at the word quasi, you will see that in definition it says something about resemblance and looking like something but not all the way. Well, in this particular design, it resembles a BR in a vehicle with a measurement taken just outside the window of the vehicle, 3 ft away. But it also can have an acoustic,al resemblance to a tapped enclosure in which the phase of the rear signal has to be in phase with the output of the second chamber in order to increase efficiency and in turn increase output at a power constant. This is why they can be very efficient, much like a tapped design, but the big difference between the two is that the tapped design utilized back wave propagation for extended low frequency response. The quasi 6th does not. It utilizes resonances and small room acoustics for increased gain even before the vehicle is taken into consideration.

    So, basically what happens is, you figure for the response calculation of the rear chamber resonances and response, and figure what it will do in the accompanied space of the second chamber with its response, and figure for a combined response with a specific phase correlation between that and itself, and that within another complex environment in which more resonances and modes are excited creating more gain and loss based on volume and distance, and then conform them together to get a final response and phase at a specific listening position or even an average of the entire room. (take a breath). So, in essence, a quasi 6th order can become very efficient, but uses one chamber to limit its response to a specific tuning factor and then uses that response combined with direct driver radiation into another chamber that again limits that response into a different tuning factor which is combined with vehicle gain at the end.

    It is not known that the quasi design acts like a bandpass in a sense that the front or rear chamber is sealed, but in a sense that the direct driver radiation has already contribut3ed to the response before final tuning, where as we know, it only exits one port. And at the end, the terminal velocity and intensity at that port determines the bandwidth, which is like calculation for a single port without combining direct driver radiation as the box volume itself is always considered a filter of some sort. Direct radiation is more broadband, hence the smoother output in be and sealed designs than bps. But I wouldn't call a quasi 6th an typical bp. I consider it quasi and that's it.





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    Re: Buck Box Designs /// 6th order AQ hdc3.0 single 10"

    Its much like designing a bass reflex in a room with no losses. And getting the response from the outside of the only window instead of in the room. you treat the second chamber like a room and figuree for its gain in the response curve and add that mathematically to the response from the first chamber and the driver. But not that simple to do correctly.
    This is why you see a lot of tapped boxes, because sometimes the physics involved are very similar.





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    Re: Buck Box Designs /// 6th order AQ hdc3.0 single 10"

    why do you think trucks can get so loud at comps? The less airspace coupling between the box and the cabin, the more the truck sounds like your in a box.....because after a certain ratio, you kind of are. And why in house response can have more losses because it's larger. Etc etc its all physics really





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    Re: Buck Box Designs /// 6th order AQ hdc3.0 single 10"

    And I actually shouldn't say "no losses", I should say, minimal absorption losses.





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    Re: Buck Box Designs /// 6th order AQ hdc3.0 single 10"

    Quote Originally Posted by Moble Enclosurs View Post
    why do you think trucks can get so loud at comps? The less airspace coupling between the box and the cabin, the more the truck sounds like your in a box.....because after a certain ratio, you kind of are. And why in house response can have more losses because it's larger. Etc etc its all physics really
    I was thinking about that the other day. Having a walled truck is just like a 6th order with the windows as a adjustable port.



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    Re: Buck Box Designs /// 6th order AQ hdc3.0 single 10"

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    I was thinking about that the other day. Having a walled truck is just like a 6th order with the windows as a adjustable port.
    precisely. But only as a 6th if the wall is ported. If it's a sealed wall, it acts as a common 4th. Unfortunately for those who do not accurately figure for cabin gain, this is not an accurate way to model it simply by adding the vehicle volume into the design, due to resonances of oblique shapes and reverb as well as absorption loss.





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    Re: Buck Box Designs /// 6th order AQ hdc3.0 single 10"

    Quote Originally Posted by Moble Enclosurs View Post
    precisely. But only as a 6th if the wall is ported. If it's a sealed wall, it acts as a common 4th. Unfortunately for those who do not accurately figure for cabin gain, this is not an accurate way to model it simply by adding the vehicle volume into the design, due to resonances of oblique shapes and reverb as well as absorption loss.
    Yeah I meant a ported one. If I were ever going to start entering comps I would wall a truck. I would account for every little thing so I could use it as a 6th order.



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    Re: Buck Box Designs /// 6th order AQ hdc3.0 single 10"

    Fine Tuning still being done, Got another photo! But the Vid will have to come another time sadly =/ Still gotta work out some small kinks.





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    Re: Buck Box Designs /// 6th order AQ hdc3.0 single 10"

    You're right, that is a close fit nice work guys!





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