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italianlifter17
05-09-2005, 11:45 PM
my stock wrx vs my friends firebird with a couple of mods. who do u think will win.....

personally i think i am gonna destroy him off the line, but i think he might catch me in third. dunno.:)

his mods on the firebird are dual catback exaust, chip, and cold air.

bri487
05-09-2005, 11:51 PM
i dont know much about the subaru's. is that thing the sti or whatever.

italianlifter17
05-09-2005, 11:53 PM
no its just a regular wrx, apparently it does 0 to 60 in the high 5's :D

B_Master_Flash
05-09-2005, 11:55 PM
what kind of firebird? year and engine? If it's a newer 5.7 then you're prolly right, it'll catch up around 3rd and prolly pass you

italianlifter17
05-09-2005, 11:57 PM
nah its an older firebird.

negativezeroz
05-09-2005, 11:58 PM
ok WRX runs 14.0-14.1 stock 227

what model and year of Firebird?

derek33
05-09-2005, 11:58 PM
if your too concerned, race on a track that has a corner or two. id bet my life that youd beat a firebird around turns.

italianlifter17
05-10-2005, 12:01 AM
i think its like a 95 firebird. not sure though know its in the 90s though


and yeah if we raced on a track with turns, i would prolly murder him

WheresTheButta
05-10-2005, 12:05 AM
correction - you'd murder him pending your skills as a road racer..
:-D
but depends.... I frequently race my friend's wrx, and he will always win off a light, i'll always win anywhere else - we'd probably be really tight in a quarter.
AWD is practically cheating :crying:

edit: I do have several suspension mods so my handling isnt the crap you'd expect from a stang.... and he still handles better bone stock, sad imo

italianlifter17
05-10-2005, 12:06 AM
what kind of car u got?

WheresTheButta
05-10-2005, 12:08 AM
I have a 2003 mustang GT, 2 power mods - cold air intake in fenderwall w/ mass air meter, and a borla aftercat. If I had to guess, they're worth maybe 10 rwhp apiece, I **** at launches so I just cheat and always try to race on the highway =)

Dozerboy
05-10-2005, 12:20 AM
Arenít all Firechickens v6s unless itís a formula 1 or a TA. That being the case you would win I would think

ballstothewall
05-10-2005, 02:46 PM
LS1's will run the quarter around 13.2 (people have gotten bone stock LS1's to run 12.9's), I think the LT1's will run the quarter somewhere in the 14 second range. You will own him off the line, but he will pass you somewhere around 2nd/3rd gear. That is just my opionion

Later

-Ryan

*Edit* Unless it has an engine swap, LS1's are 98 and Later

Polecat
05-10-2005, 03:13 PM
95 shouldn't be an LS1, so I bet it's just an LT1, if it is, you'll get him off the line, but he should pass you around the 1000' mark.

gtpzach51
05-10-2005, 03:19 PM
A stock camaro/firebird with an LS1 does right around 13.8 bone stock in the quarter...that is assuming that it is a 95 firebird that makes 275 hp stock...in 96 they upped this to 285 with a second catalytic converter...so one way or another he's got you spanked if he has any mods what so ever considering your running 14.0's stock as well...you would definitely have him out of the whole but by 100 feet expect him to be passing ya.

pwnt by pat
05-10-2005, 03:33 PM
You should race him on a dirt or gravel back road.

XDrkmanX
05-10-2005, 03:33 PM
If you guys end up racing make sure to get it on film for us.






Make sure you take that beast out of the trunk before you race.

Every little bit helps :naughty:

Decipha
05-10-2005, 03:33 PM
I raced a 5.0L V8 91' Lincoln with my 3.1 V6 95' Beretta it was a tie..... sad but tru

i'm missing the transmission cable that shifts the gears when you punch it

Decipha
05-10-2005, 03:34 PM
I'm glad you brought this to my attention im going to a junk yard to get that cable right now.

Strecker25
05-10-2005, 03:39 PM
lol yess 3.1's





what a piece of **** (not hating on you, i have one and it *****.)

B_Master_Flash
05-10-2005, 03:50 PM
Assuming it has an LS1, it will murder you ...

LS1 is only available in the trans am ws6. firebird v8 = LT1, should be around 280-290hp.

mustangowner
05-10-2005, 04:09 PM
I gotta 2000 mustang gt 5 speed with 70mm tb, k&n, bbk x-pipe, dynomax catback, eibach pro kit springs, air silencer removed, and couple small mods. I raced a 2001 t/a with a ls1, he got me off the line (auto), i hit second and caught em', i went for third and he tried to run me off the road. would have beat him if he would have played fair.

as for beating the firebird, try it if he beats u, so what try again, he is bound to mess up eventually.

ChevCamaroRs89
05-10-2005, 04:19 PM
I'd bank on the firebird as well. You would probably take him off the line, but there is a slim chance you would win in the 1/4. This kind of reminds me when a sti wrx tried to race me in our 74 Corvette Stingray. He might have had a chance if I was retarded or the Corvette was stock, but that was far from the case. He held with me for about the first 2 gears and then it was "cya *****..." I hit nearly 160 before I thought about what would happen if I lost control and hit something. It's one hell of a rush though. I had to slow down and check my pants.

Polecat
05-10-2005, 04:49 PM
LS1 is only available in the trans am ws6. firebird v8 = LT1, should be around 280-290hp.
Camaro had the LS1.

if the TA is 93-97, it's an LT1.LS1's came out in 1998.

Polecat
05-10-2005, 04:50 PM
He never specified if it was a regular Firebird or a T/A ... nor did he even specify the year (in the 90s was all he said :p: ) ...

If it is an LS1, he has no chance unless the other driver is horrendously bad at drag racing ...
I was just assuming off his response if this was directed at me, if it wasn't, sorry :)

i think its like a 95 firebird

Polecat
05-10-2005, 06:08 PM
true, like I said, assumed the info off the 95 statement, but clarified the year break down on engine, depending on year.

B_Master_Flash
05-10-2005, 06:15 PM
Camaro had the LS1.

The camaro SS had the LS1, so did the Trans am WS6.


LS1's came out in 1998.

Gotcha ;)

z28
05-10-2005, 06:37 PM
yea if its the LS1 or LT1, your done

i'd say it would be even off the line and then the fbody will just creep past you.

These LT1's are fast!

italianlifter17
05-10-2005, 06:51 PM
yeah i found out what my friend drives, its just a regular 1997 v6 firebird with dual catback exaust and cold air.

so if he beats me in third I will just have to upgrade my wrx with turboback exaust and cold air intake. and hopefully that will make a difference. should give me around 30 to 50 horsepower.

XDrkmanX
05-10-2005, 06:54 PM
You shouldn't have a problem beating him if it's only a V6


In your sig it says that you don't own a WRX yet.

B_Master_Flash
05-10-2005, 06:59 PM
yeah i found out what my friend drives, its just a regular 1997 v6 firebird with dual catback exaust and cold air.

so if he beats me in third I will just have to upgrade my wrx with turboback exaust and cold air intake. and hopefully that will make a difference. should give me around 30 to 50 horsepower.


You're going to rape him, hard.

italianlifter17
05-10-2005, 06:59 PM
how fast does the LS1's run the quater mile and 0 to 60. LS1'S are v8 right, sorry dont know much about camaros and firebirds

B_Master_Flash
05-10-2005, 07:01 PM
LS1 = c5 z51 corvette engine, 320 hp. Camaro/Firebird w/ LS1 should 1/4 mid 13s, corvette 1/4 = high 12s

negativezeroz
05-10-2005, 07:02 PM
http://www.centralfloridaturbo.com/videos/wrxvstransam.wmv

yes i know you said WRX vs Firebird but heres a vid of WRX vs TransAm WS6

B_Master_Flash
05-10-2005, 07:05 PM
http://www.centralfloridaturbo.com/videos/wrxvstransam.wmv

yes i know you said WRX vs Firebird but heres a vid of WRX vs TransAm WS6

Awesome. I have a strange feeling that WRX wasn't stock.

italianlifter17
05-10-2005, 07:07 PM
couldnt really see the video because of slow bandwidth, who won

Polecat
05-10-2005, 07:10 PM
if it's a V6, hand his his (_I_) you will.......

LS1's can do low 13's on motor...stock.

Polecat
05-10-2005, 07:11 PM
Awesome. I have a strange feeling that WRX wasn't stock.
amen...sounds like it was modded, and may have sprayed him too....

audiolife
05-10-2005, 07:24 PM
no way a wrx stock would do that unless the bone head in the ta broke traction -didnt notice any side to side movement- those t/a's dont take that much work to get them into 11.0 ranges .

italianlifter17
05-10-2005, 07:25 PM
My friend and I were racing this kid who used to go to our school, he drives a v6 mustang with cold air, racing chip, and other mods. It was close off the line and then when my friend hit 3rd we were atleast 5 car lengths ahead of him and when we got up to 95 he could not even be seen. So my friends car is pretty wicked in 3rd gear, have a feeling its gonna be a close race if we race to 100 or over.

negativezeroz
05-10-2005, 07:25 PM
Awesome. I have a strange feeling that WRX wasn't stock.

LOL!! neither cars were..

CFT was just showing off what their turbos can do...but mainly i was showing that cuz a WRX will get a Firebird/TransAm/Camaro off the line..

italianlifter17
05-10-2005, 07:28 PM
LOL!! neither cars were..

CFT was just showing off what their turbos can do...but mainly i was showing that cuz a WRX will get a Firebird/TransAm/Camaro off the line..

of course, all wheel drive kicks *** :veryhapp:

Polecat
05-10-2005, 07:49 PM
V6 F-bodies/Stangs are for women ...
amen, makes me wonder why people even bought V6 cars...unless they wanted good gas mileage...for their wives! :D

<that is for Firebird, Mustangs and Camaro>

audiolife
05-10-2005, 07:56 PM
30 miles down the road from me sets a place with a yellow vette a white vette and a forget the year new body style camaro ss.....lingenfelter........when they did the manifold on my bird they started up the white vette (the 200mph++ one from road and track) it didnt sound like a hot rod but it still shook the ground lol i was suprized to see they still had them they were sitting out front on my way to van wert

PV Audio
05-10-2005, 08:20 PM
http://www.centralfloridaturbo.com/videos/wrxvstransam.wmv

yes i know you said WRX vs Firebird but heres a vid of WRX vs TransAm WS6
listen to how quick that spooled up...and the whine = not stock in the least

negativezeroz
05-10-2005, 09:16 PM
LOL!! neither cars were..

CFT was just showing off what their turbos can do...but mainly i was showing that cuz a WRX will get a Firebird/TransAm/Camaro off the line..

hey lemans ;)

PV Audio
05-10-2005, 10:10 PM
ah my bad lol

B_Master_Flash
05-11-2005, 04:33 PM
of course, all wheel drive kicks *** :veryhapp:


Yeah, not much can touch a WRX STi off the line...

negativezeroz
05-11-2005, 05:12 PM
STi will beat an Evo VIII in 1/4...Evo can beat STi a lil bit in the corners so they are pretty much equal..I like the STi better tho

negativezeroz
05-11-2005, 05:26 PM
STi can and will beat EVo VIII...if its an MR then the MR would win...every test Ive seen STi has always won...

marleyskater420
05-11-2005, 05:36 PM
Arenít all Firechickens v6s unless itís a formula 1 or a TA. That being the case you would win I would think
There is no V6 firebirds that I recall..

There was the LS1 camaro, camaro SS, firebird, and the trans am WS6...was there a regular TA..or only the WS6?

Im confused on the whole firebird/TA thing...I know there was the firehawk early in the 90's..the formula..and then now its just the firebird? And is there just a plain TA, or just the TA WS6? Is it like the firebird is the regular, and the TA is the WS6?

Also..Ive seen a few EVO's take the STi in the 1/4.. the STi has horrid power to the ground...

packerfan
05-11-2005, 06:12 PM
V6 F-bodies/Stangs are for women ...

Id rather have a v6 then a v8 :rolleyes: Hmmm, $500/mo insurance and filling up with gas(93octane to add fuel to the fire) every day realy doesnt sound that great.

B_Master_Flash
05-11-2005, 06:20 PM
There is no V6 firebirds that I recall..

There was the LS1 camaro, camaro SS, firebird, and the trans am WS6...was there a regular TA..or only the WS6?

Im confused on the whole firebird/TA thing...I know there was the firehawk early in the 90's..the formula..and then now its just the firebird? And is there just a plain TA, or just the TA WS6? Is it like the firebird is the regular, and the TA is the WS6?

Also..Ive seen a few EVO's take the STi in the 1/4.. the STi has horrid power to the ground...

The standard Firebird is a v6, but can be upgraded to a v8, Same with the Camaro.

The Firebird trans am came w/ the v8 which could be upgraded to the WS6 (more HP) Same with the Camaro Z28 & SS respectively. That goes for the newer models anyway.

audiolife
05-11-2005, 06:22 PM
id rather have a fiat panda!!!

marleyskater420
05-11-2005, 07:48 PM
The standard Firebird is a v6, but can be upgraded to a v8, Same with the Camaro.

The Firebird trans am came w/ the v8 which could be upgraded to the WS6 (more HP) Same with the Camaro Z28 & SS respectively. That goes for the newer models anyway.


So its a firebird trans am...not just a trans am? I thought they were 2 seperate cars..

So theres the V6 firebird,v8 firebird..then the v8 TA,and the v8 TA WS6?

The firebird and TA arent the same car?

Dozerboy
05-13-2005, 10:47 PM
So its a firebird trans am...not just a trans am? I thought they were 2 seperate cars..

So theres the V6 firebird,v8 firebird..then the v8 TA,and the v8 TA WS6?

The firebird and TA arent the same car?


IIRC Firebird is the base V6 then a Firebird Formula 1 V8 then an Firebird Formula 1 TA with a HO V8 the WS6 was ram air. Because IIRC on my friends TAs registration it said Firebird Formula 1 TA ,so they're all the same.

Mooseaudiophile
05-14-2005, 02:36 AM
aparently when designing the mustang they wanted a v8 for its flagship model and considered it the preformance model, the v6 was refered to as "The secerataries car" as it had better gas milage and consequently weaker engine, i beilive we can all say this carried over to the f-bird, as for that vid, that wrx was deffinately blown (great spool up) and probly would have kept his own way into the mid 100s, as for f-birds, how about my friends '76 with a '66 GTO 400 big block with holly heads, carb, and exhaust? beast puts out about 450 hp and weighs in around 3500, now thats a car I would like to see an STI take

marleyskater420
05-14-2005, 02:58 AM
aparently when designing the mustang they wanted a v8 for its flagship model and considered it the preformance model, the v6 was refered to as "The secerataries car" as it had better gas milage and consequently weaker engine, i beilive we can all say this carried over to the f-bird, as for that vid, that wrx was deffinately blown (great spool up) and probly would have kept his own way into the mid 100s, as for f-birds, how about my friends '76 with a '66 GTO 400 big block with holly heads, carb, and exhaust? beast puts out about 450 hp and weighs in around 3500, now thats a car I would like to see an STI take

That bird sounds SICK!!!

on a side note, I havent driven my car for a week, and tonight it scared the living **** outta me. It was ****ing spinning from 30mph+ and then would just wag it's tail...I love turbo cars.


So its a V6 firebird, then the Firebird formula, then the firebird TA, then the Firebird TA WS6?

bri487
05-14-2005, 02:06 PM
as for f-birds, how about my friends '76 with a '66 GTO 400 big block with holly heads, carb, and exhaust? beast puts out about 450 hp and weighs in around 3500, now thats a car I would like to see an STI take[/QUOTE]
i got a buddy who's dad is a GM parts manager. his son (my friend) has a 2000 trans am that pulls about 550 rwhp. i'd like to see an sti take my cobra...hehe

zimmer82
05-14-2005, 02:16 PM
if your too concerned, race on a track that has a corner or two. id bet my life that youd beat a firebird around turns.

i guess so when a wrx is all wheel drive and firebirds are only rwd

italianlifter17
05-14-2005, 02:21 PM
still scard i wont be able to hold him in 3rd. But who cares, its just street racing right :)

ighettoboyi
05-14-2005, 03:17 PM
i don't get it, you don't even have the car yet, and you're making assumptions on race scenarios? maybe you should actually drive it first and realize a couple things:
1. wrx's aren't even that fast
2. awd is NOT all that it's cracked out to be

Have fun! Really, don't be expecting any "0-60 in 5.4" crap, that is all marketing HYPE. if you ever tried doing that you'll destroy your car lol. My good friend owned a wrx for 30k miles before getting rid of that thing. His integra GS-R took a BEATING for 180K miles and ran SOLID before he sold it, and this wrx cannot even hang for shizzle. This wasn't his first turbo car either, it was well-maintained and was not abused like a lot of kids do. Tranny failures are quite common on the rex.

REAL WRX TIMES:
0-60 in a tenth or two under 6 seconds
standing 1/4 in about 14.5 s

on the freeway i owned my friend's wrx and i'm a freakin automagic. from a roll, those things are more like civics, really. the awd isn't really much of an advantage in the launch if you're actually considerate of your clutch..

Acidburn
05-14-2005, 03:42 PM
ahahha nice one Jmac, what kind of car were you in anyway?

Acidburn
05-14-2005, 03:45 PM
lolololol
that guy mustve felt real good about his recent purchase

Acidburn
05-14-2005, 04:13 PM
oh well, cant complain about something free

Acidburn
05-14-2005, 04:36 PM
oh wow, mucho suckiness

marleyskater420
05-14-2005, 06:17 PM
can someone clear up my TA/firebird ? please

marleyskater420
05-14-2005, 06:24 PM
thanks

Acidburn
05-14-2005, 06:46 PM
so Firebird < Firebird Formula < Trans Am

italianlifter17
05-14-2005, 07:33 PM
i don't get it, you don't even have the car yet, and you're making assumptions on race scenarios? maybe you should actually drive it first and realize a couple things:
1. wrx's aren't even that fast
2. awd is NOT all that it's cracked out to be

Have fun! Really, don't be expecting any "0-60 in 5.4" crap, that is all marketing HYPE. if you ever tried doing that you'll destroy your car lol. My good friend owned a wrx for 30k miles before getting rid of that thing. His integra GS-R took a BEATING for 180K miles and ran SOLID before he sold it, and this wrx cannot even hang for shizzle. This wasn't his first turbo car either, it was well-maintained and was not abused like a lot of kids do. Tranny failures are quite common on the rex.

REAL WRX TIMES:
0-60 in a tenth or two under 6 seconds
standing 1/4 in about 14.5 s

on the freeway i owned my friend's wrx and i'm a freakin automagic. from a roll, those things are more like civics, really. the awd isn't really much of an advantage in the launch if you're actually considerate of your clutch..

its cool dude i understand that alot of people dont like the wrx but i am just happy to be getting a car. And u cant tell me that for the price its a bad deal. Of course im not gonna be doing those times without beating the crap out of that car and that would just be stupid. Even if they arent that fast, u dont have to do much to make them fast such as Cobb stage tuning. and i highly doubt that a civic can compare to a wrx.

ighettoboyi
05-14-2005, 07:52 PM
yea i was exaggerating about the civic part.

anyways, that story with jmac beating that 2.8 is too funny.

josh99ta
05-17-2005, 02:21 PM
To clarify the Firebird/Camaro thing...

ALL Camaros and Firebirds start off as a Camaro or Firebird, and they all have steps after that...


1st Step:
Camaro or Firebird, ONLY offered with the V6 engine

2nd Step:
Z28 or Formula (NOT Formula 1), ONLY offered with the V8 engine

3rd Step:
No third step for the Camaro, third step for the Firebird is the Trans Am, which has the same V8 engine, but has the appearance package, Formulas look like V6 Firebirds, Trans Ams look like Trans Ams

4th Step:
Camaro gets no fourth step either, and the Trans Am can get the WS6 package which adds a little bit bigger sway bars and the ram air hood

5th Step:
This is the SLP optioned cars, the SS and the Firehawk. Same engine as the Z28 and Formula, just appearance mods mostly, although they do have options for some suspension work and the like.

WheresTheButta
05-17-2005, 02:47 PM
as for f-birds, how about my friends '76 with a '66 GTO 400 big block with holly heads, carb, and exhaust? beast puts out about 450 hp and weighs in around 3500, now thats a car I would like to see an STI take
i got a buddy who's dad is a GM parts manager. his son (my friend) has a 2000 trans am that pulls about 550 rwhp. i'd like to see an sti take my cobra...hehe[/QUOTE]


ford power :handclap:

WheresTheButta
05-17-2005, 02:51 PM
can someone clear up my TA/firebird ? please

I thought you loved the bowtie?
**** I even knew that :D
(probably since I hear my friends talk **** about how they're faster than me)

WheresTheButta
05-17-2005, 02:54 PM
its cool dude i understand that alot of people dont like the wrx but i am just happy to be getting a car. And u cant tell me that for the price its a bad deal. Of course im not gonna be doing those times without beating the crap out of that car and that would just be stupid. Even if they arent that fast, u dont have to do much to make them fast such as Cobb stage tuning. and i highly doubt that a civic can compare to a wrx.

wrx > civic - there was never any doubt.
and from all this wrx hating that I hear... I expected them to **** - my friend bought one as a daily driver... it's great for a daily driver, handles any weather conditions, and still has some balls.
You wont be disappointed.

WheresTheButta
05-17-2005, 02:56 PM
To clarify the Firebird/Camaro thing...

ALL Camaros and Firebirds start off as a Camaro or Firebird, and they all have steps after that...


1st Step:
Camaro or Firebird, ONLY offered with the V6 engine

2nd Step:
Z28 or Formula (NOT Formula 1), ONLY offered with the V8 engine

3rd Step:
No third step for the Camaro, third step for the Firebird is the Trans Am, which has the same V8 engine, but has the appearance package, Formulas look like V6 Firebirds, Trans Ams look like Trans Ams

4th Step:
Camaro gets no fourth step either, and the Trans Am can get the WS6 package which adds a little bit bigger sway bars and the ram air hood

5th Step:
This is the SLP optioned cars, the SS and the Firehawk. Same engine as the Z28 and Formula, just appearance mods mostly, although they do have options for some suspension work and the like.


the last SLP camaro SS was rated at something like 340 hp IIRC.....
it has to be alot more than appearance mods and suspension work to achieve that.... (I know the exhaust is done nicely, but theres gotta be some engine work, no?)


edit: yes I'm THAT considerate to post 9 times in a row like a moron..... I wish I knew how to quote multiple times in one post

josh99ta
05-18-2005, 10:37 AM
They do have a few small things. The SSs have a lid (worth about 10 RWHP) and a free flowing exhaust (another 10 RWHP), but the fact of that matter is that all LS1s, whether in an F-Body or a Vette, have such varying clearances, that its easy for a baseline Z28 to outperform an SS or vica versa depending on if you get a ringer or a dud. The SLP cars get a little more power and a little better handling, but they usually also add more weight with other options, so it kind of balances out. They'll all dyno within the same range and run the same times at the track, and in the curves its more the driver than anything (but the SSs and Firehawks that were ordered with the optional SLP suspension do have an edge, except for the 1LE Camaros which were essentially factory build road race cars, but thats another story and they are very rare anyway).

And stock for stock, on a drag strip, a F-Body LS1 car will usually outrun a Vette LS1 car. Its easier to launch an F-Body with the solid rear axle instead of the Vette's independent rear suspension. On the highway, the only reason the Vette is faster is lighter weight and improved aerodynamics, so once at speed the Vette has an advantage, stock for stock. Again, if you get a ringer or a regular car can be all the difference in a Vette getting beat by a Z28 or a Formula any way you race.

Its also to be noted that the autos in these cars arent bad at all for performance. The 6-speeds have an advantage once at speed, but with a higher stall converter the autos are right there with the manual cars and can easily take them at the track.

marleyskater420
05-19-2005, 01:19 PM
the last SLP camaro SS was rated at something like 340 hp IIRC.....
it has to be alot more than appearance mods and suspension work to achieve that.... (I know the exhaust is done nicely, but theres gotta be some engine work, no?)


edit: yes I'm THAT considerate to post 9 times in a row like a moron..... I wish I knew how to quote multiple times in one post

Not really. The F-body LS1's basically all dyno from 300-310rwhp, and 305-315rwtq. Regardless of the options.

Isnt 300rwhp more than what the mustang is rated at at the flywheel? :up2somet: http://forums.ownster.com/images/smilies/newones/ph_mh_bn.gif