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Bavarian3
04-28-2005, 07:21 PM
sweet video of a 600awhp evo vs 2 600+rwhp cobras. right click to save as.

http://www.srvidz.com/evocobras.wmv

discuss.

Expy2000
04-28-2005, 07:23 PM
... all those cars ******...

:)

Bobyota
04-28-2005, 07:27 PM
1st Cobra driver was short shifting :emb: 2nd was Driving Miss Daisy shifting :emb:

electronicsgeek
04-28-2005, 07:30 PM
that EVO looks sweet...

davidfre21
04-28-2005, 07:35 PM
how i know the evo was gonna win...

Bavarian3
04-28-2005, 07:41 PM
how i know the evo was gonna win...
i wouldve never guessed from a higher speed roll it would walk on them 2 like that....just crazy

NEXT
04-28-2005, 07:43 PM
Gear change Cobras would own

Bavarian3
04-28-2005, 07:46 PM
Evo has way better gearing stock for a roll-on ... It has a gearing-limited top speed of 162 MPH ... By comparison, the SVT Mustang Cobra has a gearing-limited top speed of 222 MPH ...

Power allows you to trade Force (Acceleration) for Speed (Top Speed) and vice versa through gearing ... Considering they're all about the same power and the Evo has significantly higher gear ratios, and assuming they never exceed 160 MPH, the Evo should win every time ... Also, the Evo weighs less furthering its advantage ...

No suprise that the Evo won ...
however at the same time the evo is AWD, being at a disadvantage from a higher speed roll, and weight plays a small factor from a high speed roll.

Bavarian3
04-28-2005, 07:55 PM
Acceleration = Force/Mass ... The only difference Speed makes is that, as said earlier, power/gearing allows you to trade Force for Speed. So, at higher Speeds, Force is lower and, consequently, Acceleration is lower.

I don't see how AWD is a disadvantage if they're both making relatively the same amount of power at the wheels ...
im not even gona attempt to argue with you youre gona bust out some crazy mathematical analysis on me :p: :emb:

Im not AWD expert, but from what ive read about these is that AWD experience more drivetrain loss at higher speeds, putting them at a disadvantage up top.

Bobyota
04-28-2005, 08:09 PM
Gets these guys at drag strips. I've seen cars get destroyed on the street, yet beat the same car at the track. And a bad driver can make any fast car slow.

PV Audio
04-28-2005, 08:20 PM
im not even gona attempt to argue with you youre gona bust out some crazy mathematical analysis on me :p: :emb:

Im not AWD expert, but from what ive read about these is that AWD experience more drivetrain loss at higher speeds, putting them at a disadvantage up top.
this is quite true ;)

negativezeroz
04-28-2005, 08:25 PM
Evo > Mustang

Gotta love 4 bangers :)

RemlapaN
04-28-2005, 08:26 PM
but drivetrain loss doesnt make a difference if they are using a chassis dyno and not using HP corrections... JMac's point is 600whp is 600whp, doesnt matter if you have 1 wheel or 20. Bhp (or flywheel hp) is different.

My STi is 300bhp stock, but realistically its only ~235 at the wheels. If it was rear wheel drive, it would still be 300bhp, but probably more like 260 at the wheels.

96pfinderSE
04-28-2005, 08:27 PM
evo off the line cobra will get him at the end. gearing has alot to do with it but i didnt see anyone mention engine differences. a 4 banger will wined (cant spell) up a lot faster then a V8 will causing more acceleration. but the v8 dominates in high end power

negativezeroz
04-28-2005, 08:34 PM
but drivetrain loss doesnt make a difference if they are using a chassis dyno and not using HP corrections... JMac's point is 600whp is 600whp, doesnt matter if you have 1 wheel or 20. Bhp (or flywheel hp) is different.

My STi is 300bhp stock, but realistically its only ~235 at the wheels. If it was rear wheel drive, it would still be 300bhp, but probably more like 260 at the wheels.

STi runs a 13.0...so still ******...you sure ur only gettin 235 to the wheel?

Ok I know this has nothing to do with an Evo or a Cobra..

http://hira571.at.infoseek.co.jp/photogallery/2004_autosalon_18.jpgR34 GTR Z-Tune 10.06

swaptrex
04-28-2005, 08:38 PM
Evo's **** monkey butt........30 year old muscle 4-life!!!































:jk:

swaptrex
04-28-2005, 08:39 PM
oh and i wasn't referring to the cobra as being 30 years old. ;)

96pfinderSE
04-28-2005, 09:33 PM
If you watched the video, the Cobras killed the Evo off the line probably because they started closer to peak hp.

That, along with the rest of your post, is BS ...
i didnt watch the video till after i posted so i didnt know they were moving. But from a stop what i said will happen. You see it all the time if you go to races (they have an import vs muscle night at the strip here).

PV Audio
04-28-2005, 10:41 PM
That, along with the rest of your post, is BS ...
looks like a lemans23 post :eek: :eek: :D :D :veryhapp: ;)

k-mart
04-29-2005, 04:23 AM
i didnt watch the video till after i posted so i didnt know they were moving. But from a stop what i said will happen. You see it all the time if you go to races (they have an import vs muscle night at the strip here).

Your theory is not true at all.

InhumanAcura
04-29-2005, 10:03 PM
roll-racing is for f ags

Polecat
04-29-2005, 10:06 PM
roll-racing is for f ags
amen! :D

NEXT
04-29-2005, 10:09 PM
roll-racing is for f ags


Its for imports with 600 rwhp and 300 ft lbs of tq at 8,000 rpm...................and f ags

Phiber Optik
04-29-2005, 10:16 PM
Does anyone know the stock weight of an 03 Cobra vs this Evo (8 I assume)?

AznRevlAzn
04-29-2005, 10:20 PM
viddy no worky

Abel
04-29-2005, 10:22 PM
viddy no worky


X2 :(

icydude
04-29-2005, 10:33 PM
STi runs a 13.0...so still ******...you sure ur only gettin 235 to the wheel?

Ok I know this has nothing to do with an Evo or a Cobra..

http://hira571.at.infoseek.co.jp/photogallery/2004_autosalon_18.jpgR34 GTR Z-Tune 10.06

all about being able to dump the clutch. with rwd your have to knwo how to do a good start.
with awd you can just rev it way up and let it go.
the gtr im driving right now will only take 7 8k drops on a brand new stock clutch though so theres downsides to all.

Bobyota
04-29-2005, 11:46 PM
Does anyone know the stock weight of an 03 Cobra vs this Evo (8 I assume)?

I believe 3200-3300 for an Evo, 3600-3700 for a Cobra. Cobra got a badunkadunk :spank:

JAZN
04-30-2005, 12:19 AM
X2 :(
x3. can someone pleaseeee send it to me :)

negativezeroz
04-30-2005, 02:47 AM
all about being able to dump the clutch. with rwd your have to knwo how to do a good start.
with awd you can just rev it way up and let it go.
the gtr im driving right now will only take 7 8k drops on a brand new stock clutch though so theres downsides to all.

i know about that...my Z32 is just like that ^

marleyskater420
04-30-2005, 03:25 AM
Evo 8 - 3263 lbs dry weight
SVT Mustang Cobra - 3665 lbs dry weight

The Mustang Cobra weighs 12.32% more in stock form, which is a large difference ...

1.why so heavy?
2.Where are theses sources from?
3.What does the stock GT weigh then?

I dont ask to question you, I ask so in case I need to use you as a reference in the future, I won't have to second guess

marleyskater420
04-30-2005, 03:40 AM
Evo 8 weight taken from http://www.mitsubishicars.com/MMSA/jsp/lancerevolution/features_specs.jsp?t=exterior ...
Mustang Cobra weight taken from http://www.canadiandriver.com/articles/rp/03cobra.htm

The 2004 Mustang GT weighed ~3300 lbs ...

so what made the cobra weigh so much?

The IRS and the blower?

NEXT
04-30-2005, 06:41 AM
so what made the cobra weigh so much?

The IRS and the blower?

Iron block instead of alum., blower and intercooler, the entire driveline is beefier, and I think the IRS is a little heavier not sure though.

newb
04-30-2005, 04:40 PM
who gives a ***, a win is a win and a loss is a loss!!!!!!! accept it or go home!

EVO > Cobra

Bavarian3
04-30-2005, 05:07 PM
who gives a ***, a win is a win and a loss is a loss!!!!!!! accept it or go home!

EVO > Cobra
very true.

Bobyota
04-30-2005, 06:36 PM
who gives a ***, a win is a win and a loss is a loss!!!!!!! accept it or go home!

EVO > Cobra

I don't follow imports much, but I've seen the EVO stock at mid 13's, and the Cobra at high 12's. Once you start modifying, anything is possable, and both these vehicles are mod happy.

Speed aside, looks are a big deciding factor for me on what car I'd like better.

Cobra = :yumyum:

Evo, a freakin 4 door, riced out, compact car = :sick:

negativezeroz
04-30-2005, 06:48 PM
I don't follow imports much, but I've seen the EVO stock at mid 13's, and the Cobra at high 12's. Once you start modifying, anything is possable, and both these vehicles are mod happy.

Speed aside, looks are a big deciding factor for me on what car I'd like better.

Cobra = :yumyum:

Evo, a freakin 4 door, riced out, compact car = :sick:

a stock EVO VIII can run a 13.1 if given right driver..and the Evo is not sick..

http://superstreetonline.com/featuredvehicles/130_0503_evo_05_z.jpgpictures are worth a thousand words..:bowdown:

marleyskater420
04-30-2005, 08:16 PM
They both have their purposes, and they are different things..

the EVO is handling first,speed second

the cobra is speed first,handling second.

now dont into some stupid evo vs. cobra thread please

Bobyota
04-30-2005, 08:20 PM
a stock EVO VIII can run a 13.1 if given right driver..and the Evo is not sick..


So it can still run slower than the Cobra? Great!

That thing in that pic is ****ing ugly as hell. So much bullshit on it you can hardly make it out from the other thousands of riced out imports. And it's a 4 door with average lines. Pass a barf bag somebody.

WheresTheButta
05-08-2005, 12:14 PM
awe come on people
My blood is ford blue, and I have to say that I respect the evo after riding in one.
It's surpsingly quick for a car built around handling.
(you'd never catch me driving one though - ford power)

jc25t
05-19-2005, 06:47 PM
Its funny how you guys put down jap shitters.... they use an engine thats about a half or a third the capacity but are just as fast, handle **** loads better even in standard form and in NZ evo's and gtr's do 12's with only an exhaust and a pod filter... on absolute **** tracks.

Strange thing is that the fastest track 'cars' in the world come out of japan...

Strecker25
05-19-2005, 10:49 PM
Last I checked, modified Porsche 911 Turbos held a good portion of track records ...

you mean theyre not mad in japan? :rolleyes:

bri487
05-19-2005, 11:06 PM
Strange thing is that the fastest track 'cars' in the world come out of japan...

please elaborate on what a track car is to you. are you talking about race cars or are you talking about factory built race cars with a street version of the same car.

marleyskater420
05-20-2005, 02:33 AM
Its funny how you guys put down jap shitters.... they use an engine thats about a half or a third the capacity but are just as fast, handle **** loads better even in standard form and in NZ evo's and gtr's do 12's with only an exhaust and a pod filter... on absolute **** tracks.

Strange thing is that the fastest track 'cars' in the world come out of japan...


strange...cars that were cheaper did 12's stock... and with only a pulley and exhaust, could hit 11's...(TA and cobra)

Jmac's gotcha man.....

Im sorry your alive.

jc25t
05-20-2005, 05:38 AM
Sorry i was half asleep when i wrote that....


strange...cars that were cheaper did 12's stock... and with only a pulley and exhaust, could hit 11's...(TA and cobra)
Is that right? Well i have been misinformed then. How much do TA's and cobra's cost brand new and secondhand? An evo in nz cost about $10kUS for an evo1... new ones about 30-35kus (double i think for nz).. all capable of 12's easy..

In regards to track cars, i was talking about road registered cars... once again i was half asleep when i wrote it. Not full on tubed cars or full race cars... but road cars. I.e. they have lots of 900horsepower road registered track race cars..

Yes true, porsches are pretty quick.. ive seen a few quick ones even here in nz.. Mmmm GT3's....

Ill go back to sleep now :D

jc25t
05-20-2005, 06:47 AM
LOL - owned!!! :D

Those are all the european cars though.... im sure a modified GTR would do better than the 15th place (7:46).. thoughts?

What sorta car is this: Donkervoort 270 RS (7:18)

jc25t
05-20-2005, 07:03 AM
Cheers for that dude!!! Those GTR's would all be standard though... no fair :p

Im just bias though cos i like jap crap....hehe I'd like to see a modified GTR go round there... like the race ones in japan, then not doubt we'd see it get in that top list.

What sorta track race cars are there in the US other than the ones that go round in a circle?

That Donkervoort is like the kit cars you can buy isn't it? Most people here in nz put 1.6L Toyota motors in them.

jc25t
05-20-2005, 07:10 AM
So what are the lap records for modified/race cars then?

jc25t
05-20-2005, 07:19 AM
Thats surprising that a supra is the top modified, i didn't think they were really that suited to a track environment because of there weight etc.... that blitz supra is pretty nice though :)

jc25t
05-20-2005, 07:23 AM
http://www.fast-autos.com/blitzcenter.html

Hmm wonder why its faster than there GTR but has less power and acceleration....

marleyskater420
05-24-2005, 01:43 AM
Sorry i was half asleep when i wrote that....


Is that right? Well i have been misinformed then. How much do TA's and cobra's cost brand new and secondhand? An evo in nz cost about $10kUS for an evo1... new ones about 30-35kus (double i think for nz).. all capable of 12's easy..

In regards to track cars, i was talking about road registered cars... once again i was half asleep when i wrote it. Not full on tubed cars or full race cars... but road cars. I.e. they have lots of 900horsepower road registered track race cars..

Yes true, porsches are pretty quick.. ive seen a few quick ones even here in nz.. Mmmm GT3's....

Ill go back to sleep now :D

A Z28(same engine as TA) was 19k US new. Cobra was low-mid 30's. Like what an EVO costs-ish.

Both cars ran 12's stock.TA more consistent 13.0-13.2.

jc25t
06-05-2005, 06:55 PM
Hey JMAC... heres a vid of some of the cars i was talking about..

How do you think the 2 GTR's would go against some of the other top 'road' cars in the world? Would they keep up with some of the quick Porches or not?

http://www.racingflix.com/getvideo.asp?v=1085&p=3

Just out of interest really....

WheresTheButta
06-05-2005, 07:05 PM
A Z28(same engine as TA) was 19k US new. Cobra was low-mid 30's. Like what an EVO costs-ish.

Both cars ran 12's stock.TA more consistent 13.0-13.2.

since I always do, i'll do it again
cobra > z28 or any t/a around a road course.
IRS > you.

can we talk about drag racing now?
what's the fastest evo in the world doing on the ol' 1/4 mile?
I'd bet my soul that it's nowhere near the american iron.
Btw, marley I'm sure you're familliar; has anyone else seen pat musey's camaro run?
can we say low 6 second slip?
(i've seen it in person :-D)

marleyskater420
06-05-2005, 08:56 PM
since I always do, i'll do it again
cobra > z28 or any t/a around a road course.
IRS > you.

can we talk about drag racing now?
what's the fastest evo in the world doing on the ol' 1/4 mile?
I'd bet my soul that it's nowhere near the american iron.
Btw, marley I'm sure you're familliar; has anyone else seen pat musey's camaro run?
can we say low 6 second slip?
(i've seen it in person :-D)

I dunno what the IRS was about, but I agree. vette>cobra. IRS+lightweight=>you.

fastest evo...dunno...i dont think its any faster than 10's, because the fastest STi is in the 10's.

they say the 60' times on AWD make it so much better....lets see 1.3, 1.2.1.1,.1.4 60' times consistent on AWD cars... it dont happen, but w/ RWD it does.

pay musey's camaro? If I saw it I'd probably recognize it.

Bavarian3
06-05-2005, 09:43 PM
tyler the fastest DSM i believe is an 8 second. I saw the video of the run i dont have it anymore though.

jc25t
06-06-2005, 11:37 AM
tyler the fastest DSM i believe is an 8 second. I saw the video of the run i dont have it anymore though.
Yep there are 2 Evo's in NZ running 8's.... also 4 gtr's in 8's...

No imports below that... fastest is a datsun coupe at a 8.24 i think. Not really enough power to run must faster i would think... no doubt someone will hits 7's but who knows when. Tracks in NZ **** too...

Need the big ole' V8's or rotarys to go any faster. Geez the fastest cars in NZ are early-mid 6's....

What are your guys thoughts about that video?

jc25t
06-06-2005, 11:41 AM
fastest evo...dunno...i dont think its any faster than 10's, because the fastest STi is in the 10's.

they say the 60' times on AWD make it so much better....lets see 1.3, 1.2.1.1,.1.4 60' times consistent on AWD cars... it dont happen, but w/ RWD it does.

pay musey's camaro? If I saw it I'd probably recognize it.
fastest WRX in australisia is late 8 something i think in aussie. Lots more fast evo's around than STI's...

I think the RWD is better with low times because you can Tub them whereas the jap shitters you can't. Your restricted to pretty thin tyres/profiles.

WheresTheButta
06-06-2005, 11:44 AM
my thoughts are that I need a cobra so I can show people how to do it right :D :D
I want a whipple cobra with an aeromotive fuel system and msd digital, paired with a nice bassani custom exhaust and a steeda stage 3 race suspension w/ 5 link rear.
Get some trick flow twisted wedge heads custom port job, some custom grind cams, forged pistons, new crank.... bah.
Go to fuel****.net - fastest car there is a 959 rwhp stang with only a single turbo on it.

Marley: musey's camaro runs low 6's - they have some retarded juice on it...... some kind of 99-stage wet setup on a massive motor.

edit: I hate how s1ut is censored.....
it's http://www.fuel****.net
(**** = s-l-u-t)

sirloin
06-06-2005, 12:03 PM
first off guys i own an evo so i know what it's capable of. off the line ill spank anyone rear wheel drive car. but they will eventually catch up top end. depending on how much hp they are making.

when racing off a roll. the evo has a very bad disadvantage cause it's all wheel drive. there is alot of power lost through the drivetrain. but it'll still hold it's own. even though it's basically repetative from what other have said. i have taken the new GTO and cobra off the line. but they usually catch up around 4th gear which is about 105+ mph. so it really doesnt matter ill take most cars stock. all depends on driver and the launch

kevin85193
06-06-2005, 07:28 PM
http://www.we-todd-did-racing.com/wetoddimage.wtdr/wOTU1MzAyNnM0MTNkZmQzMXk1NDE=

same evo vs. z06

he has like a new vid out every week.. by far best vid ^

marleyskater420
06-06-2005, 07:37 PM
bd- The cobra doesnt need anything new...its block can take you into the 8's stock..

sirloin-Theres street driven GN's who will pull 1.5-1.4 60' times on you..

bottom line...rwd will always be faster,and cheaper, than AWD

sirloin
06-07-2005, 11:27 AM
yae faster and cheaper..but off the line AWD will always take RWD. and im looking at your car. of course you going to take me cause my car is stock. let me spend about 5k on my car and im pretty sure ill be able to take your off the line. but you'll for **** sure take me top end without a doubt.

ieatdrt
06-07-2005, 03:31 PM
..................................i can't even do it...................................

cjjackson85
06-07-2005, 03:32 PM
It's install dependent.. j/k I have no idea...

bri487
06-07-2005, 03:46 PM
let me spend about 5k on my car and im pretty sure ill be able to take your off the line.

put that 5k down, race homeboy, then if you feel really balsy you can race me.

marleyskater420
06-07-2005, 05:15 PM
yae faster and cheaper..but off the line AWD will always take RWD. and im looking at your car. of course you going to take me cause my car is stock. let me spend about 5k on my car and im pretty sure ill be able to take your off the line. but you'll for **** sure take me top end without a doubt.


Look, no offense, but the import world is boggled by this AWD thing..and let me tell you, its not all that its cracked up to be if you are going against a drag car,or even my car stock. My friend pulled 1.6 60' times stock.. And he was a mediocre driver.

Look at the fastest 60' times for rwd, and for awd. RWD is always been faster. Only to a point can AWD be effective, and that looses itself once you go against a car setup for drag, or even mild street/strip setup

usamps
06-08-2005, 10:02 PM
x2 AWD isn't all it's cracked up to be

ieatdrt
06-30-2005, 10:57 AM
600HP anything vs 600HP anything. No way to tell who will win. Unless there's a ridiculous difference in vehicle weights. Way too many variables not addressed. Gearing, tractoin controls, setup, tire size..... And yes RWD is a better drag racing setup. Too much rotating mass in AWD setups, and the front wheels don't do much good once they're off the ground.

Nikuk
06-30-2005, 11:21 AM
omg, ttsd.