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noob with an RS
04-27-2005, 05:01 PM
hey my perfects seem to not be able to keep up with my 12" idMAX. i have to set the sub level at +3 on my alpine to match the subs to the components. i really want my comps to get louder so that i can actually have the subs be playing louder (at a higher sub level) without any midrange-high frequencies being drowned out. i currently have the infinity perfect components powered by a hifonics nx600 which is rated to put out 150 watts at 4 ohms.. i set the gain on it using a DMM to do so. the components are in MDF rings. i cant think of anything else to increase the output of the components unless a new amp is needed? or are there better component sets that can go SIGNIFICANTLY louder than the perfects? what do u guys think i can do to get more output from the components? do i just need to upgrade them or should infinity perfects be keeping up with the idMAX?

HERETIC
04-27-2005, 05:12 PM
i had some perfects and those components were loud as hell-ditch the hifonics amp!!! how do you have your tweet attenation set on the crossovers?

audiolife
04-27-2005, 05:15 PM
lol now you know why they call them super subs eh? go with a horn component set so you dont keep having to change stuff or buy other stuff in the long run it probably will satisfy your wallet to performance ratio

noob with an RS
04-27-2005, 06:03 PM
my tweeter attenuation level is set at -4 db. i use to have it at 0 db when i didnt have the sub but it sounded nasty when i put the sub in so i put it at -4 and it seems to sound better. what did u have you r tweeter level at heretic?

T3mpest
04-27-2005, 08:22 PM
Is it midbass,midrange, or the high end you are lacking? A good set of horns will allow your midrange and highs to keep up with your sub, easy. You will need an EQ to make it sound good though. If midbass is your problem, try adjusting your center frequency on the HU, also you could deaden your doors if you haven't done that yet. You can always turn your gains up, just be careful only turn it up a little bit and see if that helps.

nosaj070
04-27-2005, 08:26 PM
I would try raising the tweet att to 0 or if there is anything in between. There is no way that amp isnt capable of putting out at least 100 watts which would be plenty. The DMM isn't the end all be all of gain settings, its simply a strong suggestion.

limitkid7
04-27-2005, 10:00 PM
i would question the amp but i guess that's not the issue...

where's your tweeter placed at inside your car?

noob with an RS
04-27-2005, 10:23 PM
Is it midbass,midrange, or the high end you are lacking? A good set of horns will allow your midrange and highs to keep up with your sub, easy. You will need an EQ to make it sound good though. If midbass is your problem, try adjusting your center frequency on the HU, also you could deaden your doors if you haven't done that yet. You can always turn your gains up, just be careful only turn it up a little bit and see if that helps.
i'm not lacking any frequencies really. with my sub level set to +3 on my alpine the frequency response curve sounds flat and my subs are matched to the components. but if i turn the sub level up it drowns out the comps.. i wanna go louder with the comps. i havent sound deadened my car yet.. how much improvement will that do??

I would try raising the tweet att to 0 or if there is anything in between. There is no way that amp isnt capable of putting out at least 100 watts which would be plenty. The DMM isn't the end all be all of gain settings, its simply a strong suggestion.
i dont think raising the attenuation level on the crossover network will make it better. thats what i had it at before.. it made midbass "lack" more since the sub level could be raised slightly more to match the tweets.. basically the frequency response curve doesnt sound flat if i raise it from -4 db to zero. i set the gain using a DMM to put out 150 watts at volume 25 on my alpine.. the thing is my components are rated 100 watts RMS so i'm more than likely giving it enough power aren't i?

i would question the amp but i guess that's not the issue...
where's your tweeter placed at inside your car?
my tweeters are in factory locations of my car which is on the top corner of the door panel.. i wish i could install them in sails but due to me having an integra, i would have to custom fiberglass it in order to do so, due to cleanrance issues.

HOAX_1
04-27-2005, 10:28 PM
deadening your doors will make some differance, but perhaps not enough to accomplish what you are wanting. Raise your gain a lil and it is always a healthy idea to try out a differant amp. All else fails, sell em to me :D

limitkid7
04-27-2005, 10:30 PM
again, i say adjust that crossover then gain...

what deck do u have?

nosaj070
04-27-2005, 10:38 PM
I was never impressed with those ****ed things anyway. I would never buy above the Ref line of infinity's, they just aren't worth it.

JAZN
04-27-2005, 10:40 PM
install is most important.
http://forums.caraudio.com/vb/showthread.php?t=95925&highlight=proper+sound+deadening

noob with an RS
04-27-2005, 10:51 PM
the crossover is set on the components properly. almost as low as they can go without distorting.. around 75. the gain is set to deliver 150 watts at volume 25 of my alpine 7995 when playing a 1000 hz test tone. the comps are rated 100 watts RMS

HERETIC
04-27-2005, 11:10 PM
my tweeter attenuation level is set at -4 db. i use to have it at 0 db when i didnt have the sub but it sounded nasty when i put the sub in so i put it at -4 and it seems to sound better. what did u have you r tweeter level at heretic?

when i first installed the perfects i had the tweets set at 0-the highs were way to high and very harsh. so i moved the ettenuation to -4 made a huge difference. those perfects actually have decent midbass- big problem with the perfects is the tweets-got to tone those tweets down with an eq

limitkid7
04-27-2005, 11:13 PM
I was never impressed with those ****ed things anyway. I would never buy above the Ref line of infinity's, they just aren't worth it.


that's a real stupid comment.

nosaj070
04-27-2005, 11:14 PM
that's a real stupid comment.

I'm sorry you think its stupid, while I find it very true, I apologize for dirtying up the thread.
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limitkid7
04-27-2005, 11:56 PM
i'm sorry that you did too, lol

6three6mafia6
04-28-2005, 01:00 AM
i want to welcome you to the same boat ive been since day one i put bass in my car(from crappy bazooka 10;s) i want to let you know ive tried better speakers, amps, HU, same thing, ive tried HIGH END speakers, HU, amps , same thing got a little better but still problem there. I have hit a dead end and it really is frustrating.

limitkid7
04-28-2005, 01:08 AM
what deck are your running?

noob with an RS
04-28-2005, 03:11 PM
alpine 7995!! help me get me off this boat!!

limitkid7
04-28-2005, 03:24 PM
what area you live in, let someone meet up w/u and help you

Pete
04-28-2005, 11:41 PM
i'm not lacking any frequencies really. with my sub level set to +3 on my alpine the frequency response curve sounds flat and my subs are matched to the components. but if i turn the sub level up it drowns out the comps.. i wanna go louder with the comps. i havent sound deadened my car yet.. how much improvement will that do??

i dont think raising the attenuation level on the crossover network will make it better. thats what i had it at before.. it made midbass "lack" more since the sub level could be raised slightly more to match the tweets.. basically the frequency response curve doesnt sound flat if i raise it from -4 db to zero. i set the gain using a DMM to put out 150 watts at volume 25 on my alpine.. the thing is my components are rated 100 watts RMS so i'm more than likely giving it enough power aren't i?

my tweeters are in factory locations of my car which is on the top corner of the door panel.. i wish i could install them in sails but due to me having an integra, i would have to custom fiberglass it in order to do so, due to cleanrance issues.

So.... just turn up the volume and don't turn up the sub level. Is there a reason the sub level needs to be at +1538949?? No.

If you have reached max output on your pioneer and its not loud enough then look at your install for problems. Seal the doors with a good sound deadening material (second skin, dynamat, etc) will help alot. Take the car apart and sound proof the whole thing, you will be amazed how much louder the music sounds with all the road and wind noise dampened.
Your car has horrendous roadnoise stock.

Want a little cleaner and possibly a little louder sound get a good processor or a good line driver at the very least.




But really, your above comment just defies all logic to me. Sorry.

audiolife
04-28-2005, 11:47 PM
big *** subs=think about horns all i am going to say. there is not 1 regular speaker set that can even keep up with cd-1e comp set. with the regular speakers getting 400 watts vs the cd-1e comp set getting 100 watts still no contest. sql has horns written ALL over it

noob with an RS
04-29-2005, 01:51 AM
i fixed it! i think i ued a defected DMM when i first set the gain. i used the one in my garage today.. its older though but im hoping its the one that works right between the two cuz it sounds A LOT better!! when using the dmm to set gains i had to turn the gain up on the components amp and turn the gain down some on the subs amp. i also discovered today that i could use a DMM to find out crossover points so to test that i set the xover points on both amps to 80 hz. turns out the components xover was wayyyy higher than 80 which i did by ear and now it sounds betterrrr and more full. the bass AND the mids to highs came out so much more and so did imaging. i did it!!!!!!

Hundreth
04-29-2005, 02:09 AM
i fixed it! i think i ued a defected DMM when i first set the gain. i used the one in my garage today.. its older though but im hoping its the one that works right between the two cuz it sounds A LOT better!! when using the dmm to set gains i had to turn the gain up on the components amp and turn the gain down some on the subs amp. i also discovered today that i could use a DMM to find out crossover points so to test that i set the xover points on both amps to 80 hz. turns out the components xover was wayyyy higher than 80 which i did by ear and now it sounds betterrrr and more full. the bass AND the mids to highs came out so much more and so did imaging. i did it!!!!!!

wtf??

Congratulations to you regardless of whatever you did. :crazy:

Pete
04-29-2005, 08:23 AM
really you don't want both crossovers set at 80hz, you will end up with a big bump in your frequency response curve around 80hz.
Have a read on crossover slopes and it will click in your mind why this is so. It is one very overlooked aspect for most people, but can make a huge difference.