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CDK
04-26-2005, 07:17 AM
hi guys

most people usually spend alot more money
for front speakers and spend very little for the rear speakers.

but for me the question is
why not have the same amount of quality speakers
for both front + back?
(if money is not an issue)

hoss
04-26-2005, 07:46 AM
most people dont use rear speakers at all... they are quite pointless in a vast majority of installs.

for starters, you can easily put a set of components up front, in the floors, dash, doors, a-pillars, etc... while in the rear you are pretty much limited to coaxials or point sources. you can put components back there, but the aiming is harder and they are usually in a less than ideal area.

also, if you have a proper front stage, the imaging should carry to the rear seats with no problem. in my car my front component set is just as loud in the rear seats as it is in the front.

thirdly, rear speakers will pull the sound stage towards the rear of a vehicle. while this is only important to audiophiles and competition vehicles, it is still something to consider, and it goes along the same principle as the point made above this one.

lastly, they do nothing but consume extra power and money. why spend money on something that you dont really need? and why spend even more money sending power to it?

you are better off(in most installs, remember) only spending the money on a quality set of front speakers, and putting nothing in the rear. and one last final thought to leave you with... how often do you drive your car from the back seat? :)

CDK
04-26-2005, 08:01 AM
.......... and putting nothing in the rear. and one last final thought to leave you with... how often do you drive your car from the back seat? :)


hehe actually there is no back seat at all.
its a two seater

its a 1994 nissan 300zx.

properly only need a split in the front
a sub at the back.
should work
adding the extra 2 rear speakers that not sure will make a diff
properly make it louder thats about it?

hoss
04-26-2005, 08:06 AM
properly make it louder thats about it?
probably not...

read my first reply again... most importantly the part about having to buy more power to feed them, and saving up to buy a good front stage... a good front stage should be efficient enough to play at volumes to your liking.

CDK
04-26-2005, 08:21 AM
ok kool
without the rear
it will save me $180 (90USD)

T3mpest
04-27-2005, 07:00 PM
In some cases, you may not even notice much of a SPl increase due to cancellation. I tried it in my car and some of the music spectrum dropped by over a decibel, overall it was a increase though, albeit a crappy sounding one.

limitkid7
04-27-2005, 10:05 PM
i disagree, i think rear fill is necessary..

based on time correction (smiling @ alpine), you can really balance the sound where no matter your location the sound is exactly the same esp if you're in the front seat.

i say get good front comps and good rear comps as well as a nice sub to go along w/the wonder mids and highs.

CDK
04-28-2005, 02:56 AM
i disagree, i think rear fill is necessary..

based on time correction (smiling @ alpine), you can really balance the sound where no matter your location the sound is exactly the same esp if you're in the front seat.

i say get good front comps and good rear comps as well as a nice sub to go along w/the wonder mids and highs.

i guess?

in this case
there is only front seats
no rear :)

limitkid7
04-28-2005, 07:22 AM
can't argue w/that..... ok

elduderino
04-29-2005, 12:06 AM
Because "rear fill" is a Communist plot designed to weaken America?

ThatDude
04-29-2005, 11:26 AM
I tried listening to my components without the rear fill, and overall the sound output was really lacking. I do agree that the rear seems to put out more sound than the fronts, but it isn't all that bad. Like was said, if you like how it sounds with rear fill, and aren't into competitions, it will great to get some rear fill. I myself, like the surround sound, and will probably always use rear fill. So basically it's all opinionated, so don't do something cause everyone thinks it's the best, because you are they one who will have to listen to it everyday.

squeak9798
04-29-2005, 11:29 AM
If your stereo sounds empty with only the fronts running, then you have a lacking frontstage....which is a setup problem :)

limitkid7
04-29-2005, 11:52 AM
i myself prefer overall surround sound compared to concert sound..

i made a thread and poll on this in 2004

3.5Max6spd
04-29-2005, 01:27 PM
if you are willing to let your OEM speaker locations limit your system, then sure use rearfill........I stopped being lazy and better positioned my highs and people cant tell i only have a pair of separates putting out all that sound-and it does sound better front and back.

klassic
04-29-2005, 01:43 PM
The need for rear fill seems to be determined on a car to car basis. My 95 eagle talon simply sounded better with rear fill. It just sounded thin without it. In my 02 GTI rear fill does absolutely nothing. I'm sure placement of the factory speakers has alot to do with it as well.

hoss
04-29-2005, 02:33 PM
I'm sure placement of the factory speakers has alot to do with it as well.
in order to do the job right, factory speaker location/size should have nothing to do with it ;)

3.5Max6spd
04-29-2005, 05:18 PM
in order to do the job right, factory speaker location/size should have nothing to do with it ;)

In most cases- OEM locations + aftermarket speakers of choice are not the best marriage. I've had people not happy with only components up front in their OEM locations, yet thrilled by the difference in adding a few more speaks to the chain, yes even behind them. It may not be for everybody, but its what individually works for you.....there's no 'wrong' in that.

Its not just the install that counts, its the perception of the installer as well. I've bit my tongue many times in other people's cars, simply because it sounded 'right' to them. So who am I to spoil their happiness? If they step into mine and like what they hear then perhaps they'll appreciate and learn. Or maybe they'll hate it or want more....

audiolife
04-29-2005, 07:20 PM
lol if it ***** i flat out will tell them but if they are happy so be it i cant help they fell for old school sales tactics...."sell'em rear speakers you can make at least 100 more on those." lol