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GCAdidas13
03-18-2005, 12:22 AM
I have a pair of DLS UR1 tweeters. They are currently mounted like so:

http://img222.exs.cx/img222/83/dscf40433fq.jpg

http://img222.exs.cx/img222/3507/dscf40441mx.jpg

I was wondering of your opinion on this matter.

Should I...
1.) Use "kitty hair" fiberglass reinforced body filler to mold like clay, then body filler, primer, paint
2.) Stretch a T-Shirt over it, resin+harder, body filler, primer, paint
3.) Same as #2, bud add a layer or two of fiberglass
4.) Other - please specify.

This will be done SOON and I will post pics of finished product.

req, a knowledgable guy, votes for 1.
I vote for 2, but it might not be strong enough.

Your opinion would be grrrreeeat.

THX :veryhapp:

GCAdidas13
03-18-2005, 06:38 AM
Any ideas? Thanks

req
03-18-2005, 07:57 AM
1.

if you wanna spend the money though, 3M Duramix 40\40 will be better than kitty hair. its like liquid ABS plastic - and it chemically adheres to the ABS plastic that the sail panel is made from.

but if you DONT have the money (like $40~60) for that crap, a can of adhesion promotor, some sand paper on the ABS will soften it up and let the bondo adhere better (this is like - a must-do)

but the kitty hair should be PLENTY strong to hold it in place. fiberglass+resin will make it hard because you have to wrap it around the edges, and then the size of the panels will get larger (because the thickness of the cloth) wheras the kittyhair just attaches to the front.

its not a structural feature of the car, it does NOT stand up to people kicking it (hopefully no more KNEES) and its not a heavy or high-pressure speaker. fiberglass is NOT needed and its EXTRA work.

GCAdidas13
03-18-2005, 09:37 AM
alright. i'll go with that route.

1.) what should i wrap around the back of the baffle (where the tweeter's back end will go)?
2.) bondo? that 23-step explanation didn't say anything about bondo... just spray-on adhesive promoter and kitty hair. Or is bondo a component of kitty hair?

Thanks
Brian

req
03-18-2005, 12:53 PM
alright. i'll go with that route.

1.) what should i wrap around the back of the baffle (where the tweeter's back end will go)?


nothing? take the sail things you have now, and just glob the kittyhair around it to the shape you like. partly to hold the mdf rings in place, and partly to make it look pretty. thats it. JUST like play-dough or clay but a little thinner and with weird strands. theres nothing special about this, you will NOT see the hole that the tweet is in, and you wont be seeing the rear-side of the sail.



2.) bondo? that 23-step explanation didn't say anything about bondo... just spray-on adhesive promoter and kitty hair. Or is bondo a component of kitty hair?


kittyhair = bondo + fiberglass strands. its just a habit for me to write bondo instead ... 'bondo' is actually a BRAND of 'body filler', and 'kittyhair' is just a nickname for 'fiberglass reinforced body filler'

so just get some kittyhair.

but if you want to PAINT it. getting a small can of SKIMCOAT or LIGHTWEIGHT BODYFILLER for a 'smooth finish' layer is a really good idea. because getting an 'babies-***' smooth surface with kittyhair is not easy.



Thanks
Brian

you betcha ;)

joffgreat
03-18-2005, 12:59 PM
id go with wrapping the shirt around it, resin it hen bondo prime paint..

req
03-18-2005, 01:03 PM
id go with wrapping the shirt around it, resin it hen bondo prime paint..

why.

joffgreat
03-18-2005, 01:09 PM
because it looks good, its easy and cheap...

GCAdidas13
03-18-2005, 01:59 PM
endthread.

i bought...

mediumsized kittyhair can
mediumsized lightweight body filler can
a "metallic textured" can of spraypaint
a sanding block
60 grit sandpaper
400 grit sandpaper
respirator
spray adhesive
...close to $60 for everything

did i do good?

req
03-18-2005, 02:05 PM
because it looks good, its easy and cheap...

eaiser to do it the other way... sir. just plop it on, then sand. no stretchin, trimming, glassing, reinforcing, bla bla bla. its not eaiser your way.


endthread.

i bought...

mediumsized kittyhair can
mediumsized lightweight body filler can
a "metallic textured" can of spraypaint
a sanding block
60 grit sandpaper
400 grit sandpaper
respirator
spray adhesive
...close to $60 for everything

did i do good?

yes :)

but its going to be hard to block sand such a small\curved shape. but its a good thing to have none the less.

and the kittyhair\skimcoat will last a long time i think.

GCAdidas13
03-18-2005, 02:09 PM
i can just use my fingers for the really curved stuff... i hope. but meh. i'll find a way. ummmmmmm video man, video! Saturday is Junkyard, Sunday is G/F's anniversary (11months) and Monday is glassin' time, weather providing.

req
03-18-2005, 02:16 PM
yep, i already talked to my GF about that, and she is game, ill scoop her on the way home. then tape it - and ill try and get it hosted tonight. ill PM you the URL.

anywho.

what i did with my door pod, was just put the sandpaper on my finger, and rub around the edge. works fine. you are gonna want to lay some primer between the painting stage tho. so remember that.
scuff+adhesion promotor (get the kittyhair to stick really well)
clean
kittyhair (shape)
sand
skimcoat (smooth+fill pinholes)
sand
primer (smoother)
sand
paint (mmm)
sand
install (YUM)

GCAdidas13
03-18-2005, 02:18 PM
Thank you. I forgot about primer, and forgot to buy some.

I have another question, though... How should I apply so that it fits perfectly with the A-pillar? Put some tape over the A-pillar, then put the kitty hair on, then close the door?

req
03-18-2005, 02:38 PM
like, putting the kittyhair on the sail WHEN its installed?

i suppose you could do that if you are afraid of it not working, but i dont see a problem just putting it on- you can always sand it off\down.

just do it in layers. know what i mean?

GCAdidas13
03-18-2005, 02:40 PM
Yes. Didn't think about doing that. Just do one layer that's basically just enough to reach from the baffle to the sail in every direction, then build outwards as needed. Thx again

req
03-18-2005, 02:40 PM
:)

im excited to see how it goes.

good luck!

noob with an RS
03-18-2005, 02:49 PM
hey GCadidas can you post pics of the sails after youre done or through the process? i could really use them for reference for when i do my sails.. for now, i really have no clue how the proccess is gonna go.. just what its going to include. so if you could post some pics of those babies after you're done i'd greatly appreciate it. :)

GCAdidas13
03-18-2005, 02:51 PM
yeah i will... definitely. extensively. after every step I do! it will be in the log :-)

req
03-18-2005, 02:53 PM
if he dosnt ill castrate him..


he better have a progress pics - i dont care if he ahs to make his own camrea.

WOOT 5k POsTS :D

Insomniac119
03-18-2005, 05:07 PM
endthread.

i bought...

mediumsized kittyhair can
mediumsized lightweight body filler can
a "metallic textured" can of spraypaint
a sanding block
60 grit sandpaper
400 grit sandpaper
respirator
spray adhesive
...close to $60 for everything

did i do good?

$60 for all of that. Pretty good if you ask me. How much did the resperator coast you, I was going to buy one yesterday but it was 30 bucks :greedy: :crap:



The kitty hair method might be a little easier than the fiberglass method, but not that much. It will take more than one layer of kitty hair, like 3 or 4. Kitty hair doesn't like to be formed, it's tricky to get it to go (and stay) were you want it.

But maye it'll come out nice for you. Good luck!

GCAdidas13
03-18-2005, 09:00 PM
$60 for all of that. Pretty good if you ask me. How much did the resperator coast you, I was going to buy one yesterday but it was 30 bucks :greedy: :crap:



The kitty hair method might be a little easier than the fiberglass method, but not that much. It will take more than one layer of kitty hair, like 3 or 4. Kitty hair doesn't like to be formed, it's tricky to get it to go (and stay) were you want it.

But maye it'll come out nice for you. Good luck!
Maybe (i'm hoping) the hardener will make the kitty hair stay where I want it. And the sail will be removed so it won't be fighting gravity. Even if it moves out of place I can always sand some off :-)

And it wasn't really a respirator, it was those face mask things that help your mouff from not getting sh*t in it. $6 for a pair.

saywhat?
03-18-2005, 09:06 PM
Thank you. I forgot about primer, and forgot to buy some.

I have another question, though... How should I apply so that it fits perfectly with the A-pillar? Put some tape over the A-pillar, then put the kitty hair on, then close the door?


while u are there getting primer, get some 220 paper. its hard going from 80-400 and get a smooth paint job. for ATLEAST 80-220-400, and i would wet sand the latter two. by wetsanding the excess water flushes the dirt, grit, and grim so u dont dig it down in your primer, causing u to reprime.

InhumanAcura
03-18-2005, 10:52 PM
#3

GCAdidas13
03-20-2005, 11:04 AM
#3
wtf?

Acidburn
03-20-2005, 12:58 PM
wtf?

look at your first post...

Buckshot
03-20-2005, 08:24 PM
look at your first post...


LOL :rolleyes: Kid's these days, didn't you post progress pic somewhere? And why isn't it in this thread mister?!

joeldirt
03-20-2005, 08:32 PM
arent you the guy that broke his tweeter grill by having *** with your girfriend in that church parking lot? LOL, I would stretch some material over it, body fill it smooth it out really nice and texture it with rocker pannel spray to match the dash and original door. then spray die it the same color. It should give a nice custom / stock look.