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automotivations
03-02-2005, 04:00 PM
A local business has just become a dealer for RE Audio, and they're using my Jeep as a demo vehicle. This is going in a Jeep Wrangler and will replace the back seat. Let me know what yall think. Its for 2 RE 12" XXX:
2.7 ft^3 per sub, tuned to 32 Hz
port size is 2" x 8.25" x 12" for each sub

http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2004-11/890532/smallpinside.jpg

http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2004-11/890532/smallp2.jpg

http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2004-11/890532/smallp1.jpg

davidfre21
03-02-2005, 04:03 PM
y u?

ngsm13
03-02-2005, 04:03 PM
WOW, that port is WAAAYYYYY too small. I'd give them each 2.7 cubes NET w/ AT LEAST 40 in^2 of port. OR tell them to make it a common chambered box, 5.4 cubes NET and like 80 in^2 of port (to make it easier on the port length b/c of a larger box!) peace

NG

automotivations
03-02-2005, 04:26 PM
I tried that "WinISD Pro Alpha" for the first time to see what it thought the port size should be, and I thought it seemed a little small. Im close friends with the 2 guys of the business, and Im actually going to construct the box myself this weekend. I was going to put both sub in one chamber, but they only have 1 12" XXX on hand right now (actually its in my friends truck right now), but Im heading down to Destin next weekend, and they want to put the word out a little. This way, if I have 2 chambers, I can use just one sub for now, and add my own to it later. Itll look funny, but Ill just patch the other hole until I get back. So I need around 40 ft^2? Let me work the numbers real quick. Thanks for the quick response too.

automotivations
03-02-2005, 04:31 PM
Hows this sound?
Port = 3"(H) x 13.33"(W) x 34"(L)

swimfreak26
03-02-2005, 04:35 PM
Don't have the time to figure out what that'd be tuned to, but much better on the area.

ngsm13
03-02-2005, 04:36 PM
Just to let you know, I'm saying you should do AT LEAST 30-40 in^2 EACH! peace

NG

automotivations
03-02-2005, 04:45 PM
This would be right at 40 ft^2 if I did it this way, Im actually gonna use the space b/w my box and the rear of my jeep as part of the port, so this should work out nicely.

http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2004-11/890532/revisedport1.jpg
http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2004-11/890532/revisedport2.jpg

The port inside the box will be 22", and then there will be 3" of air b/w the box and my rear door, and then this will travel up the other 12", and this should be tuned to 32 Hz. Hows that?

ngsm13
03-02-2005, 04:48 PM
Sounds good man. What program did you use to make the 3d lay-outs? peace

NG

automotivations
03-02-2005, 04:54 PM
"Sketchup 4.0" by @Last Software

I highly recommend it for anything 3d, its quick and easy, I got it free through the college of architecture, but I think its around $500 for the public.

tRiGgEr
03-02-2005, 05:01 PM
Wow. Hold on there buddy. The shop is using your vehicle as a demo car but you have to build it yourself???? Normally they build it...

And yes for a demo vehicle they are going to want to call re and get the best recomendations for that vehicle and equipment being ran.

nikosbuddy
03-02-2005, 05:02 PM
you ever heard of sharing :)
i wanna learn to make boxes but i dont have a clue what to do...
<- just tryin to fit in....
Mike

automotivations
03-02-2005, 05:09 PM
I said earlier that Im best friends with these guys, we've been building boxes for the past 6 years, and I dont mind building a box that will get filled with free subs and amps... would you?

InhumanAcura
03-02-2005, 05:17 PM
Run the ports all the way across the bottom.

automotivations
03-02-2005, 05:24 PM
Whys that?

If I do that, I can keep the length the same, and change the internal dims to 2.5" x 15.875" (just under 40 ft^2), and then itll go all the way across the bottom, and still be tuned to 32 Hz.

InhumanAcura
03-02-2005, 05:31 PM
Whys that?

If I do that, I can keep the length the same, and change the internal dims to 2.5" x 15.875" (just under 40 ft^2), and then itll go all the way across the bottom, and still be tuned to 32 Hz.

look at the drawing you have, then look at one with the port all the way accross the bottom. Which one looks like it'll move air free-er

automotivations
03-02-2005, 05:38 PM
You think itll make a difference, maybe with port noise some.. less interruption I guess, sounds good to me. Ill sand all the edges down on the port too, Im getting the entire outside of the box sprayed with speedliner (bedliner) and it seals up nicely, and only $50 and takes about 5 minutes to spray (I love this stuff).

automotivations
03-03-2005, 02:04 PM
Okay, I think this is it. Im going to Lowe's today to get some mdf and stuff. What's the best, or easiest, way to make some cushions for this seat? I was thinking of just getting something thats close to same color as my seats, but its gotta be somewhat durable, and wrapping it over some foam, but dont know how I want to attach it to the box yet.
http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2004-11/890532/FINALP1.jpg

shot of the front of box w/o the front piece
http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2004-11/890532/FINALwithoutfront.jpg

this is a section shot of the side
http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2004-11/890532/FINALsectionside.jpg

this is a section shot of the back
http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2004-11/890532/FINALsectionback.jpg

tRiGgEr
03-03-2005, 02:07 PM
I like that program. Looks good. remember to post pics of the build and finished product.

automotivations
03-03-2005, 02:17 PM
Will do

req
03-03-2005, 02:32 PM
i really hope you decide to brace the 'seat' area. its going to break rather quickly with your weight + internal pressure while only using 3\4" mdf my friend.

automotivations
03-03-2005, 02:38 PM
I highly doubt it, the piece that separates the chambers along with the sides and the ports act as braces. Are you talking about compressive forces or lateral forces? Ive worked with 3/4" mdf for the last six years, and the screws and adhesive will do more than enough, not to mention the bedliner that will cover the entire exterior of the box. But thank you for your concerns...

req
03-03-2005, 02:42 PM
i mean the fact that thats going to be a huge box, the car is going to be going over bumps, and my 200lb 6'2" *** sitting on it while its pumping at 2.6kw with only 1 internal brace is kind of daunting. imagine 2 people sitting on it.

screws arent that stRong. neither is wood glue.

the box might stay together on its own - but lateral and verticle forces created by the car going round corners, and the weight of the passangers PLUS the compressive forces of two ****ing XXX's arent going to make those seams happy.

automotivations
03-03-2005, 02:48 PM
Well I have the lateral (horizontal) forces taken care of, b/c the box sits snug in b/w my rear fender wells. As far as compressive (vertical) forces go, I think it will be okay as well, but if it will make you happy, I will add some braces for you... if there is any wood left over, which there always is. Let me know when youre coming into town so we can test it out.

automotivations
03-03-2005, 02:50 PM
Quick question: Any suggestions on sub protection (cover of some sort)? I dont want people jumping in and out of my jeep to destroy them.

req
03-03-2005, 03:05 PM
id prolly make somthing out of 1\2" plexiglass - and offset it from the box with some nice 1\4" aluminum rod

but i would prolly invert them for a 'show' install.

then theres no need for cone protection.. but you gotta worry about people taking wires out and ****. so maybe solder them?

automotivations
03-03-2005, 03:09 PM
Invert would be cool, gain some air space too. Is it okay to mount sub like that, facing straight down? Ive seen it done in installs before, just never done it myself.

req
03-03-2005, 03:11 PM
Invert would be cool, gain some air space too. Is it okay to mount sub like that, facing straight down? Ive seen it done in installs before, just never done it myself.

yea, no problems - just reverse the polairty (or phase) of the subs. + goes to - and vice versa. otherwise they will hit on the 'off beat' or whatever. and you will gain like .3 cubes too :)

but on a side note...


Let me know when youre coming into town so we can test it out.

was that supposed to be sarcasm? :rolleyes:

squeak9798
03-03-2005, 03:15 PM
yea, no problems - just reverse the polairty (or phase) of the subs. + goes to - and vice versa.

Don't necessarily need to reverse the polarity. You should actually try their polarity both ways (reversed and normal) and see which one integrates them with the rest of the stereo the best. There is no "set" polarity that they need to be wired to.

req
03-03-2005, 03:25 PM
Don't necessarily need to reverse the polarity. You should actually try their polarity both ways (reversed and normal) and see which one integrates them with the rest of the stereo the best. There is no "set" polarity that they need to be wired to.

ive never had any problems with always going +

but its much eaiser to play with in a inversed install anway.

da*mn you squeak :laugh:

automotivations
03-04-2005, 01:02 PM
What amp(s)? Im eventually going to use the RE amps, but they wont be done for another 2 months, so until then, I need something else. Im looking to push about 1500 to each, so Ill see what I can dig up.

automotivations
03-07-2005, 03:42 PM
Alright, built it this weekend, but changed it from 2 subs to just one, so now its around 5.2 ft^3, still tuned to 33 Hz, port length changed to 30" overall inches instead of 34". I also adjusted the angle of the seat, b/c it just wasnt comfortable during mock up.
http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2004-11/890532/IMG_0254.JPG
http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2004-11/890532/IMG_0255.JPG
http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2004-11/890532/IMG_0258.JPG
http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2004-11/890532/IMG_0263.JPG
http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2004-11/890532/IMG_0262.JPG

dkc62
03-07-2005, 03:54 PM
Very nice.

req
03-07-2005, 04:27 PM
braces make it look MUCH stronger!! but id of put some sort of design in the back headrest area, wrapped in coushin, and vynl... maybe cut out some RE logos in the MDF between the two seats? that would be cool.
you might be able to get a bench seat from the junkyard off an old truck (for the seat coushins \belts for really cheap. then just upholster them :)



quick question, did you say that the port is going to use the 'rear of he jeep' as part of the physical port length?

im not too sure about that. you will prolly want to end up fiberglassing the back and connect it to the box... it would leak and not be very effective if im understanding you. but correct me if im wrong.

automotivations
03-07-2005, 04:42 PM
That is the idea, never tried it before, but Ill see when its all hooked up in the end. If that doesnt work too well, Ill just add a sheet of mdf to the back to extend the port. Im gonna do some designing on the box before it gets sprayed, just dont know what yet. Either adding some cushions on top of seat, or putting down foam and then covering it w/ something.

req
03-07-2005, 05:16 PM
i would most certainly test it out before it gets sprayed.

and take a trip to the junkyard. you might be able to find some nice pre-shaped coushins (even if they have terrible upholstry it can be redone)

automotivations
03-10-2005, 01:08 PM
Ill have pics up today of the box sprayed.

req
03-10-2005, 01:14 PM
very cool. id really like to see it in the car tho.

automotivations
03-10-2005, 02:38 PM
http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2004-11/890532/IMG_0265.JPG
http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2004-11/890532/IMG_0269.JPG
http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2004-11/890532/IMG_0268.JPG
http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2004-11/890532/IMG_0267.JPG
http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2004-11/890532/IMG_0271.JPG

req
03-10-2005, 04:11 PM
lookin good. now get it in the car holmes :D

tx99tahoe
03-10-2005, 04:42 PM
why not use the factory seat material to cover your cushions when you make them or you could get some covers that mastercraft or bestop makes for all the seats so they match just an idea

tRiGgEr
03-10-2005, 05:28 PM
Your using an old XXX??????

ss3079
03-10-2005, 05:50 PM
**** cone?

Nice :)

automotivations
03-10-2005, 05:52 PM
Yep, borrowed it from my buddy, I think Im gonna wait on the XMX, but might just get a XXX when I get the money figured out. Ive already decided to use the covering from the original back seat, trimming the foam down so its not so bulky, or might just use something else under the seat covering like some polyfill or pillows for just this weekend down in Destin. Ill be pushing 1342.1 watts to it with an MTX 81000d amp (borrowed also, waiting on RE's amps). Ill let you know how it sounds when I get it hooked up tomorrow, and Ill post pics when its all installed.

automotivations
03-10-2005, 05:56 PM
Only girls will be allowed to sit on this box. Maybe I should call this system "XXX ******"

tRiGgEr
03-10-2005, 06:00 PM
I think Im gonna wait on the XMX,

What the heck is an XMX???

automotivations
03-10-2005, 06:13 PM
Supposedly, thats what the new sub will be called that RE is coming out with, will be b/w a XXX and MT, but still warranted... oh did I mention 5" excursion?

derek33
03-10-2005, 07:35 PM
pictures gone dead

req
03-10-2005, 09:30 PM
Supposedly, thats what the new sub will be called that RE is coming out with, will be b/w a XXX and MT, but still warranted... oh did I mention 5" excursion?

please dont give it a name. its been scepulated over and over, and noone really honestly knows - that can proove it.

but the 'uberwoofer' that we here at ca.com have dubbed it - will do 4"+ excursion and is like 3" deeper than a current XXX - and for some reason it dosnt have a pole vent :)

must have vented thru the sides of the new basket design. hmm. cool lookin bugger tho. looks gigantic.

and yes. pics = dead

try www.imageshack.us

automotivations
03-11-2005, 01:49 AM
http://img96.exs.cx/img96/87/img02727my.th.jpg (http://img96.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img96&image=img02727my.jpg)
http://img96.exs.cx/img96/4770/img02739gg.th.jpg (http://img96.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img96&image=img02739gg.jpg)
http://img96.exs.cx/img96/1537/img02741dm.th.jpg (http://img96.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img96&image=img02741dm.jpg)
http://img96.exs.cx/img96/8560/img02755fh.th.jpg (http://img96.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img96&image=img02755fh.jpg)

automotivations
03-11-2005, 05:07 PM
WOW, this thing hits hard, I know for a fact Im at least in the 140s, way louder than my last setup that was hitting 140.5. Im very happy with the turnout. Ill get some pics up of it in the Jeep asap.

saywhat?
03-11-2005, 05:09 PM
u better!!!!

tRiGgEr
03-11-2005, 05:10 PM
please dont give it a name. its been scepulated over and over, and noone really honestly knows - that can proove it.

X2

thats where I was going. :D

automotivations
03-22-2005, 02:39 AM
http://img167.exs.cx/img167/2782/img02767is.th.jpg (http://img167.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img167&image=img02767is.jpg)
http://img167.exs.cx/img167/7531/img02787xm.th.jpg (http://img167.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img167&image=img02787xm.jpg)
Im getting some video put up on realm of excursion also, so Ill post its URL when I get it.

ngsm13
03-22-2005, 02:42 AM
Supposedly, thats what the new sub will be called that RE is coming out with, will be b/w a XXX and MT, but still warranted... oh did I mention 5" excursion?

Nope, that's not the one. The XMX was the thing that was similar to the Parthenon...and...it's cool... :)


please dont give it a name. its been scepulated over and over, and noone really honestly knows - that can proove it.


Eh...I've said it before...and was asked to remove my comments... :)

NG

automotivations
03-22-2005, 03:02 AM
so what do yall think of the box in the Jeep?

Acidburn
03-22-2005, 03:08 AM
looks really good
i want a ride on the back seat ;)

automotivations
03-24-2005, 04:44 PM
Heres the video:
http://www.realmofexcursion.com/videos/Resonant%20Engineering/xxx12.13.wmv

tommyk90
03-24-2005, 04:47 PM
so what do yall think of the box in the Jeep?

Using the old school "****" XXX i see. Good stuff. :)

JAZN
03-24-2005, 05:14 PM
dammmm that was hella sick. great job on the chair too. btw, what size is ur speaker wire? looks rather huge.

automotivations
03-24-2005, 05:28 PM
8 gauge