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g30ffr3y
12-23-2004, 01:12 PM
well guys... as an amateur box builder
ive been making due with my dads old
tools... ive built 2 boxes so far cutting
everything by hand with either a skill or
circular saw... depending on how brave
i feel...

anyways... i plan on getting some new
tools for christmas... probably just a
drill, sander maybe my own circular
saw... i dont know... i guess ill find
out on saturday...

ive pretty much decided that after
christmas i want to get a real table
saw... i think that will help my box
building a lot with both time and
accuracy...

ive looked on both the sears and
homedepot websites and it seems
like ~200.00 for a table saw is a good
price point for my purposes...

but which??? i know squat about
tools, manufacturers, specs to look
for etc... anyone care to recommend
something that would work for me
~200.00 that wont be a total piece of
crap...

thanks.

vosschs
12-23-2004, 01:18 PM
200, wouldnt get you that much, we have a 350 one in our school along with 2,000 + ones, that 350 one is decent, its not comparable to the more expensive ones, but still are very awsome, i wish i could get one at myhouse, i would spend around 300 and get this one, http://www.sears.com/sr/javasr/product.do?BV_UseBVCookie=Yes&vertical=TOOL&pid=00923560000

27 inches should be enough

g30ffr3y
12-23-2004, 01:20 PM
200, wouldnt get you that much, we have a 350 one in our school along with 2,000 + ones, that 350 one is decent, its not comparable to the more expensive ones, but still are very awsome, i wish i could get one at myhouse, i would spend around 300 and get this one, http://www.sears.com/sr/javasr/product.do?BV_UseBVCookie=Yes&vertical=TOOL&pid=00923560000

27 inches should be enough



i could deal with that if its going to be a lot
better than a cheap one...

why is it better though???

vosschs
12-23-2004, 01:20 PM
200 might get ya a good benchtop one, which isnt to bad, or a cheap stand one

vosschs
12-23-2004, 01:22 PM
well some have different features, like angles, the width that you can rip, which this one is 27, and includes fence, which most do but is essential, miter gauge for smaller cuts

DBfan187
12-23-2004, 01:28 PM
Dude. Sears has one in sale right now for $49.99.

It's good one too. I just bought one.

g30ffr3y
12-23-2004, 01:29 PM
Dude. Sears has one in sale right now for $49.99.

It's good one too. I just bought one.



link? have you made any boxes with it???

DBfan187
12-23-2004, 01:32 PM
link? have you made any boxes with it???
http://www.sears.com/sr/javasr/product.do?vertical=TOOL&pid=00921299000&bidsite=&BV_UseBVCookie=Yes&subcat=Table Saws

I just bought it yesterday, so no boxes yet.

g30ffr3y
12-23-2004, 01:40 PM
i just found it... i can deal with mounting it to a table of
my own... is it an ok table top table saw??? seems
like a low price... i just dont want to buy something
thats not going to fit my use...

basically i want to start building more boxes for
people... nothing too serious...

would that be enough saw for me???

DBfan187
12-23-2004, 01:44 PM
It should be.

g30ffr3y
12-23-2004, 01:51 PM
It should be.


since you have it... hows the build quality??? what do you
do... mount it to a table of some sort???

how wide of cuts can you make with it???

bonesninja
12-23-2004, 02:00 PM
well i used a $6,000 saw for my box then got my *** reamed for using it. turns out that my boss bought that saw and it's "his baby" and "nobody uses that saw without me there" oh well screw him---i only got two more weeks til i start my new job. p.s some good quality brands=craftsman--dewalt--delta

bcarpenterfhl
12-23-2004, 02:12 PM
a table saw is a f**king table saw. MDF isnt that strong of a wood, and any table saw will cut it fine. the advantages of a table saw to a skill are:
-you have that bar to guide you
-you dont use saw horses, so the wood doesnt pinch the blade when the cut nears to the end
-most of them have a nozzle for a vaccum hose so there's less mess

whats probably gonna matter even more than the saw is the blade. but all table saw will provide enough HP to cut MDF.

supa_c
12-23-2004, 02:15 PM
IMO
Circ saw> Table saw, unless its an industrial one...but you cant afford that anyways
ever try to rip 48" on a freakin 20" table saw
Its not fun at all

bonesninja
12-23-2004, 02:19 PM
IMO
Circ saw> Table saw, unless its an industrial one...but you cant afford that anyways
ever try to rip 48" on a freakin 20" table saw
Its not fun at all
X2---the one i used was a commercial garde one has a 72" reach on either side of the blade with sliding guides on both sides as well.made making my box very simple.

Moe Lester
12-23-2004, 02:21 PM
those little tabletop saws are a pain when tryin to build a large box... i prefer a circ saw. Id really love to get one of those saws theyve got at lowes or home depot though :)

req
12-23-2004, 02:26 PM
why not get a small one like that $50 one, and mount it into a table? build your own 8' table top with a whole sheet of mdf, some sawhorses to keep it in place, and a little box outta 2x4's to hold the saw box in place, and then take it apart and store it when its not in use. maybe even make a little hole in the bottom with a shopvac down there to **** the sawdust in. thats what id do. screw 2,000 for a freaking table with a circular saw embedded into it.

i could build that outta popsicle sticks and semen. :laugh:

bcarpenterfhl
12-23-2004, 02:28 PM
IMO
Circ saw> Table saw, unless its an industrial one...but you cant afford that anyways
ever try to rip 48" on a freakin 20" table saw
Its not fun at all

i just have the place where i buy the MDF cut in thirds or quarters for me (whichever fits by particular cuts better). if you draw the lines for them, then it usually works out pretty well. 1/3 or 1/4 pieces of sheet MDF are easy to cut with a small table saw.

g30ffr3y
12-23-2004, 02:36 PM
that little table saw doesnt seem to have enough space
to say cut a 48" piece of MDF into a 30" piece... i think
i need something with the 24" guide fence thing...

the real advantage that im going for is the guide... my
hands are kinda shaky so it takes me forever to make
my cuts... making it sort of a hassle to build the boxes...
i think i would be a lot more accurate and less aggrivated
with the table saw...

but i have no intention of spending 2 grand... im not
getting a DBA and starting a marketing department...
just making some boxes for friends and whatnot... and
myself...

i think 300.00 would be the max id be willing to invest...

ill probably take a trip to sears for their sure to come post
christmas sale...

Moe Lester
12-23-2004, 02:37 PM
circular saw + 2x4 + clamps = cuts as straight as a tablesaw...

bcarpenterfhl
12-23-2004, 02:39 PM
they do sell guides for circular and jig saws.....

MasterBlast
12-23-2004, 02:40 PM
u can do without a table saw i have one and dont use it i use a circular saw and then clamp a fence onto the wood to make a straight cut i like doing that better for some reason.

g30ffr3y
12-23-2004, 02:40 PM
they do sell guides for circular and jig saws.....


no sh1t?!?!?! hrmm... that would work... i should look into it...

anyone got a link?

bcarpenterfhl
12-23-2004, 02:44 PM
http://gateway.canadiantire.ca/driver.php?fileid=2534374303517417_140847439534802 7_845524443255609_

bcarpenterfhl
12-23-2004, 02:49 PM
table saws are also a lot more dangerous....easy to use but dangerous, especially when cutting smaller pieces. you guide the wood with your hands, and unlike a circular saw, there's no protection guard thing.

req
12-23-2004, 02:51 PM
if ya do the circular saw idea-

get yourself another set of saw horses, and put all 4 underneath the big piece of wood you are cutting. and cut between the two center saw horses, this way when ya get near the end, the wood will be resting on its own dual saw horses...

cut down the middle where the arrow is below /\=sawhorse ...=floor __ = wood V=cutting mark
_____V_____
/\...../\../\..../\

that should solve the 'pinching the blade problem and make a much smoother cut.

g30ffr3y
12-23-2004, 02:52 PM
http://gateway.canadiantire.ca/driver.php?fileid=2534374303517417_140847439534802 7_845524443255609_


its 40 at sears...

bcarpenterfhl
12-23-2004, 02:55 PM
if ya do the circular saw idea-

get yourself another set of saw horses, and put all 4 underneath the big piece of wood you are cutting. and cut between the two center saw horses, this way when ya get near the end, the wood will be resting on its own dual saw horses...

cut down the middle where the arrow is below /\=sawhorse ...=floor __ = wood V=cutting mark
_____V_____
/\...../\../\..../\

that should solve the 'pinching the blade problem and make a much smoother cut.

^ *2

pinching IMO is the biggest problem with circular saw cuts. it jags up the end part of the cuts, creating problems for a good seal and clean build. excellent solution.

jtomsic
12-23-2004, 02:57 PM
they have large delta table saws for like $200 at lowes, i cut my 48" piece of MDF with it like a week ago.

g30ffr3y
12-23-2004, 02:59 PM
they have large delta table saws for like $200 at lowes, i cut my 48" piece of MDF with it like a week ago.



i dont have a lowes... but if you give me a model number i
could look it up... do you recommend it??? its in my price
range...

jtomsic
12-23-2004, 03:04 PM
i like it, me and my dad went halfs on it. i dont know the model #

vosschs
12-23-2004, 03:36 PM
Left Rip Capacity 12-3/4 in.
that is the widest cut you will be able to make on that bench top saw, thats not to wide, but its 50 bucks you get what you pay for

JimJ
12-23-2004, 05:43 PM
IMO, those tabletop saws are a waste unless you do contracting work and need a saw you can lug around in your truck or something...for most shop work, once you've used a 'proper' table saw, you'll never go back :)

You don't need a saw that can rip more than a foot or so...beyond that, it's better to use a circ. saw anyway...