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TeamPSI
12-02-2004, 12:01 PM
They resemble a XXX 12" for some reason.... yet they are only about 6.5" wide... hmmm


Man do they sound good. I'm even impressed myself. :D :confused: :thumbupw: :evil: :rotflol:

jtomsic
12-02-2004, 12:02 PM
you guys should make 5.25 comps too :-D i want some 5.25 XXX's :-P get some pics up of the install man

monte_carlo97
12-02-2004, 12:09 PM
any free samples in mind?

Pleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeease

DBfan187
12-02-2004, 12:14 PM
:needpics:

req
12-02-2004, 12:14 PM
jerk :bawling:

TeamPSI
12-02-2004, 12:15 PM
Well Ive already covered them up with door panels, but I'll snap a few pics of the mids today. :)

squeak9798
12-02-2004, 02:29 PM
So are they now for sale to the general public??


Some **** of them in action would be welcome as well :D

the_flatlander
12-02-2004, 02:31 PM
****it I want a set for however cheap you get them

audiolife
12-02-2004, 03:48 PM
ha i thought you was gonna say a hot chick!!!

ighettoboyi
12-02-2004, 10:25 PM
no enclosure?

TeamPSI
12-03-2004, 02:03 AM
http://68.224.111.15:88/XXXmid/Picture001.jpeg
http://68.224.111.15:88/XXXmid/Picture008.jpeg
http://68.224.111.15:88/XXXmid/Picture012.jpeg
http://68.224.111.15:88/XXXmid/Picture019.jpeg

Theyre IB in my doors... They POUND. Awesome midbass response!!!

Im really thrilled with what these do IB.

And yes... We have em ready to go. ;)

Randy Savage
12-03-2004, 02:09 AM
Jesus frickin christ.

Trades? I'll send you a BNIB 15" MT for some!!!!! :D

Dustin19
12-03-2004, 02:13 AM
Wow. Now that's major sexiness!! Make a video of those little big fellas flexing!!PLease!

JoseMCeee
12-03-2004, 02:52 AM
whoa. Im on the merge of buying some RE comps too. Whats the model of those? They are pretty ****

TeamPSI
12-03-2004, 02:53 AM
Xxx :)

IgnoreMe
12-03-2004, 03:03 AM
wait wait wait. so you CAN run them in IB and have them sound good? i thought an enclosure was not even reccomended but actually required

TeamPSI
12-03-2004, 03:15 AM
Recommended...

They still whip up on an RE series driver in IB. They do their "best" enclosed, but work like a champ IB.
People rave about the RE series' midbass output in an IB setup, and these slaughter them! :D

Naxis2k1
12-03-2004, 06:55 AM
that is by far the sexiest 6.5 ive ever seen how much do those run again?

paikiah
12-03-2004, 10:51 AM
They look awesome, and I'll take your word for it about awesome bass notes too.

It would be the ultimate if you can actually get the XXX logo on there.

XDrkmanX
12-03-2004, 02:17 PM
I bought Koda's over XXX's because they weren't recommended for IB installs.

Please don't tell me that they would sound better than the Koda's in a IB set up :verymad:

IgnoreMe
12-03-2004, 02:28 PM
****in A i might have just wanted to save up and bought the xxx's if i knew they would work awesome in IB. oh well, looks like i have somethign im gonna be saving up for now ;)

ShakinSupra
12-03-2004, 03:51 PM
How deep are those beasts?

TeamPSI
12-03-2004, 04:51 PM
I bought Koda's over XXX's because they weren't recommended for IB installs.

Please don't tell me that they would sound better than the Koda's in a IB set up :verymad:


I won't say it then.... :censored:

Theyre 3 5/8" deep

XDrkmanX
12-03-2004, 05:02 PM
TeamPSI:
Do you have pictures of your install?

squeak9798
12-03-2004, 05:08 PM
When are you guys going to release specs on those things??


And any chance we can get then with a XXX logo on the cone? :)

IgnoreMe
12-03-2004, 05:10 PM
ohhhhhh over 3.5" deep. thats a little too deep for my doors. i guess ill stick with the re's

kappa546
12-03-2004, 05:43 PM
is the set out or can we get mids alone? how much a just a pair mids?

TeamPSI
12-03-2004, 10:01 PM
PM me for prices... this isnt the RE for sale forum...

Ill get the specs tomorrow.

Drivers only are availible right now.

No XXX logo's.. get a sticker made?

iamamp3pimp
12-05-2004, 03:00 AM
fat bastard

Bobyota
12-05-2004, 03:10 AM
Someone said the mids were changed some to work better in IB, true or false?

Would they work well with the x-over and tweet of the RE set? I have that set so I could just replace the mids (some say the tweets are harsh, but I like them). Would power handling change any with those XXX mids with the RE x-over and tweets? Thanks for any info :)

TeamPSI
12-05-2004, 03:36 AM
fat bastard

Screw you - half black half white, Lionel Richie looking, audiobahn loving, NEON DRIVING, Gaylord!!!

TeamPSI
12-05-2004, 03:37 AM
Thge mids have not changed... they just work well.

The mids wont work well at all with the RE crossover. You would need to use an active crossover. The tweeter would work no problem...

avs20
12-05-2004, 09:39 AM
Do you guys plan on coming out with an XXX comp SET? Or will it always be mids only?

mrray13
12-05-2004, 12:35 PM
awesome looking lil driver...


look kinda like an team rf sub, only smaller. lol...got the hx2 basket


sweet nonetheless....i, too, am interested in if they will soon be offering an componet set?







wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee eee :peace:

ss3079
12-05-2004, 01:42 PM
Oh how nice these would look in my kick panels ...

Just need an 8" in the door ... something that works a little better as a mid than the RE8 ;) ... and I'm set.

- Steve

Bobyota
12-05-2004, 05:31 PM
The mids wont work well at all with the RE crossover. You would need to use an active crossover. The tweeter would work no problem...

I just noticed they are 2 ohm, is that why they wouldn't work well with the RE x-over? I don't know much about active.

repo24
12-05-2004, 06:40 PM
I just noticed they are 2 ohm, is that why they wouldn't work well with the RE x-over? I don't know much about active.
[yes] and the fact that they probably need to be crossed over at different frequencies

killcrap
12-05-2004, 10:39 PM
koda's will fit in my door, but the XXX will not, can you make a special one that is 3" deep? and whats the power handling on thoes? i'm gonna get the Soundstream VGA500.4 it does 125x4@4ohms and 250x4@2ohms will 250watts be too much for XXX

ss3079
12-05-2004, 10:39 PM
koda's will fit in my door, but the XXX will not, can you make a special one that is 3" deep? and whats the power handling on thoes? i'm gonna get the Soundstream VGA500.4 it does 125x4@4ohms and 250x4@2ohms will 250watts be too much for XXX

Make an MDF spacer if possible ...

- Steve

cjj2d
12-06-2004, 10:58 PM
Power handling???

XDrkmanX
12-06-2004, 11:32 PM
150 if I'm not mistaken.

cobra65427289
12-06-2004, 11:53 PM
They look awesome, and I'll take your word for it about awesome bass notes too.

It would be the ultimate if you can actually get the XXX logo on there.
i think the **** logo would be sexier. i already have 1 RE sticker, lost one, and if i order something else from RE (xxx comps later... dunno how long) i will slap a **** sticky on each.

last time i checked it was 100wrms.

al

TeamPSI
12-07-2004, 01:16 AM
150w

cobra65427289
12-07-2004, 01:24 AM
i stand corrected.

al

paikiah
12-07-2004, 01:27 AM
Might as well start designing 2 ohm midrange drivers to utilise 2ohm stereo power in amps.

Black_Jesus
12-07-2004, 01:54 AM
nice.. how are those bad boys in midbass output... raw output.. spl wise... compared to some cdt es 6.5's?

paikiah
12-07-2004, 03:25 AM
wait a minute.. they ARE 2ohm? Wow...

They look good. Hmm, very tempting indeed.

cjj2d
12-07-2004, 10:57 AM
so are they 2 or 4 ohm? single coil??

paikiah
12-07-2004, 11:00 AM
I just noticed they are 2 ohm, is that why they wouldn't work well with the RE x-over? I don't know much about active.
he says it's 2 ohms. If it is, then wow, it would be a delight to use. Still no one mentioned prices?

cjj2d
12-07-2004, 11:05 AM
so I have an amp that is 2 x 50 @4ohm, and 2 x 100 @2ohm. How would I wire it to two ohm if it is a single coil?

squeak9798
12-07-2004, 11:07 AM
so I have an amp that is 2 x 50 @4ohm, and 2 x 100 @2ohm. How would I wire it to two ohm if it is a single coil?

Um, connect it to the amp :waycrazy: If the coil is 2ohm (which the XXX mids are), then you don't need to "wire it" to 2ohm, it is already 2ohm. Just connect one speaker to each channel and VOILA; 2ohm per channel.

squeak9798
12-07-2004, 11:10 AM
Still no one mentioned prices?

CLICK ME! CLICK ME! (http://forums.caraudio.com/vb/showthread.php?t=76067&highlight=Shocking+news+XXX)

Price might not be spot on because of shipping, but it will give you an idea of how much you'll have to dish out. Not a bad price really; if these things perform as well as they are supposed to.

cjj2d
12-07-2004, 11:21 AM
well I guess it is as easy as I thought it was. just thought I would ask, I didn't want to assume I was right then end up just giving them 50 watts. thanks.

I will definatly be looking into these soon to pair up with my Diamond 5.25 comps and Mag.

paikiah
12-07-2004, 11:30 AM
$250? wow, this is gonna be a tough one... to get skanning/scan-speak or to get XXX's... that is the question.

But the 2 ohmload is just so tempting. perfect on my low power old school amps.

squeak9798
12-07-2004, 11:31 AM
$250? wow, this is gonna be a tough one... to get skanning/scan-speak or to get XXX's... that is the question.



Yeah, but the XXX has more excursion than the Skanning and Scanspeak combined; and from what I've read, at CES the XXX mids measured better on the Klippel system than Seas Excels. Oh well, I guess only time and subjective tests (from someone other than the guy who built them ;) ) will tell though

**So tempted to buy a pair**


My god, you'd think I was trying to sell the **** things....LOL. I should start demanding commission :D

cjj2d
12-07-2004, 11:34 AM
yes the fact that they are two ohm makes it very tempting for me since I have 2 PPI PC250 amps sitting under my bed doing nothing, and I have been trying to find some use for them. I could either put one on each for 200watts or put just one on both for 100 watts a piece. hope they will fit in my doors.

cjj2d
12-07-2004, 11:35 AM
teampsi... what kind of car do you have them in the doors in??

repo24
12-07-2004, 12:35 PM
Anybody got the full T/S params for the XXX mids?

squeak9798
12-07-2004, 12:36 PM
Anybody got the full T/S params for the XXX mids?

TeamPSI does I'm sure ;) He's yet to share though :(

paikiah
12-07-2004, 12:41 PM
Yeah, but the XXX has more excursion than the Skanning and Scanspeak combined; and from what I've read, at CES the XXX mids measured better on the Klippel system than Seas Excels. Oh well, I guess only time and subjective tests (from someone other than the guy who built them ;) ) will tell though

**So tempted to buy a pair**


My god, you'd think I was trying to sell the **** things....LOL. I should start demanding commission :DEr, xmax figures should not be the reason for your purchase of speakers.

Higher xmax numbers don't mean it's better. Not by a long shot.

David, what kind of lowpass do you recommend for these drivers? The tweets that I'm trying out is currently at 3.6k, but I'd like my mids to cover a lil more than that.

Also, I've no problem making a sealed enclosure on the doors. What size should it be popped into?

squeak9798
12-07-2004, 12:45 PM
Er, xmax figures should not be the reason for your purchase of speakers.

Higher xmax numbers don't mean it's better. Not by a long shot.



Never said it did. But measuring better in terms of THD, power compression, frequency response, etc etc than the Seas Excels sure gives it a chance.

paikiah
12-07-2004, 12:47 PM
Yeah, but the XXX has more excursion than the Skanning and Scanspeak combined
this was what I was talking about. It has no relevance to speaker choice.

squeak9798
12-07-2004, 12:49 PM
this was what I was talking about. It has no relevance to speaker choice.

When you are in a situation like mine, where you are trying to keep up with horns, displacement absolutely is a concern ;) A 6.5" mid w/ 6mm Xmax simply isn't going to keep up with the horns in output. It all depends on the circumstances.

paikiah
12-07-2004, 12:50 PM
here's a thought, reduce gain on your horn amps. lol~

squeak9798
12-07-2004, 12:52 PM
here's a thought, reduce gain on your horn amps. lol~

Then it would defeat the purpose of having efficient horns :idea: No point if you just gotta choke them back.

:)

Bobyota
12-09-2004, 09:16 PM
TeamPSI, what x-over and tweet are you using with them?

XDrkmanX
12-09-2004, 10:29 PM
Will the XXX components be available when you guys get your new website up at the beginning of the year?

Perhaps we'll see a few new amps too :thumbsup:

Berry47
12-10-2004, 12:59 PM
I really need to build either kicks or door panel pods.

ngsm13
12-10-2004, 01:13 PM
What if i was to purchase the mids...and run them off of a CDT 560 xover? Possible...or no? Would it **** up total impendance?? My guess is...don't do it, but thought i'd ask b/c i want more midbass! peace

NG

squeak9798
12-10-2004, 01:19 PM
What if i was to purchase the mids...and run them off of a CDT 560 xover? Possible...or no? Would it **** up total impendance?? My guess is...don't do it, but thought i'd ask b/c i want more midbass! peace

NG

1st thing is you'd need to know what crossover frequency the CDT xover uses. Then you'd need to figure out what frequency the crossover point would shift to because of using a 2ohm speaker (since you are going from [likely] a 4ohm load to a 2ohm load, the xover point would drop an octave)

It really doesn't have anything to do with "total impedence".....a 2ohm mid and 4ohm tweeter on a passive crossover are exactly that; a 2ohm speaker and a 4ohm speaker. They aren't wired together in parallal or series or anything. The problem comes in with the crossover frequency. The crossover frequency might not (probably won't) work will with a different mid, plus using a different impedence driver will shift the crossover point, which could create problems and make them not sound good.

Bobyota
12-10-2004, 03:48 PM
So how do you figure what ohm load the amp sees in a comp set with passive x-overs?

squeak9798
12-10-2004, 03:52 PM
If you have a 2ohm mid and a 4ohm tweet on a passive xover, then the mid receives the amp's 2ohm power and the tweet receives the amp's 4ohm power. The amp would "see" the mid as 2ohm, and it would "see" the tweet as 4ohm. So if you have an amp that does 50w x 2 @ 4ohm and 100w x 2 @ 2ohm, then the mids would get 100w and the tweets would get 50w. If you put a component set with passive xover that has 4ohm mids and 8ohm tweets, then the mids would get 50w and the tweets would get 25w.

It's a frequency response thing, not a series/parallel thing.

req
12-10-2004, 03:59 PM
well. i dont think 6.5's would keep up with 2 IDmax CD2 HLCD horns huh :evil:

so i got 8" kodas to play with.

w00pdie!

those are sure **** though. but kodas are like half the price.

Bobyota
12-10-2004, 05:14 PM
squek, maybe I'm missing something, but the scenario you describe makes it look like the amp would always be putting out more power than it's rated.

I think my CL61's ohmed at 4 ohm for both mid and tweet. I knew the resistence measured at the x-over was still 4 ohm (didn't know how that was possable). So that would mean my amp would give 200 watts to that 4 ohm load....but how would both the mid and tweet get 200 watts if they both give a 4 ohm load to the amp? Woulnd the amp have to produce twice the rated power to give a total of 400 watts?

Req, have you got the Adire 8's up and running yet? What crossover points are you going with? How low can the horns go?

squeak9798
12-10-2004, 05:26 PM
squek, maybe I'm missing something, but the scenario you describe makes it look like the amp would always be putting out more power than it's rated.

I think my CL61's ohmed at 4 ohm for both mid and tweet. I knew the resistence measured at the x-over was still 4 ohm (didn't know how that was possable). So that would mean my amp would give 200 watts to that 4 ohm load....but how would both the mid and tweet get 200 watts if they both give a 4 ohm load to the amp? Woulnd the amp have to produce twice the rated power to give a total of 400 watts?

Nope, because the speakers are playing different frequencies. Like I said, it's a frequency spectrum thing, not a series/parallel thing. The power is either going to one or the other, but not both at the same time.

CONSOLIDATED
12-10-2004, 10:33 PM
My door isn't even thick enough for something like that.

Ivoryblade
12-14-2004, 10:32 PM
Wait, are those just miny subs or do they play all midrange really loud?

squeak9798
12-14-2004, 10:39 PM
They are mids....they will play midbass and midrange.

newtitan
12-15-2004, 06:02 AM
before I go off and buy these beasts, to those that have them may I aks about the tinsel leads

1) with a mid with as much throw as the specs say, it seems that the tinsels would hit the cone after awhile--any problems with that

2) also may I ask using these in doors where do they need to be highpassed at??

3) finally what is the cutout diamter--Im making baffles and ready to spend some birthday cash


thx

paikiah
12-15-2004, 06:55 AM
regarding high pass, that would really be dependant on your subwoofer settings, would it not? I'm sure it can be highpassed as low as 50~60Hz, and it'd still be within driver range.

newtitan
12-15-2004, 03:09 PM
woops I meant highpass then ie 2000, 2500, 3000, 0r 4000hz??

killcrap
12-15-2004, 10:51 PM
thinking about getting the mids for the rear deck, and making it in a enclosure. what space will these midwoofers work well with?

XDrkmanX
12-16-2004, 03:37 PM
That's my idea :censored:

killcrap
12-16-2004, 10:46 PM
sorry i was asking for you.

newtitan
12-27-2004, 06:10 PM
so do we have any comparsion opinions yet? I have the upgrade bug, and Id like to go from a 8" mid to a 7" mid to move the mid closer to my grille ( decrease baffle size) with out losing to much midrange quality

Id hate to spend 500 on scan speak mids if these are really nice for far cheaper??

anyone here the extremis 6 (adire's version of this driver) yet??

3.5Max6spd
12-27-2004, 06:48 PM
woops I meant highpass then ie 2000, 2500, 3000, 0r 4000hz??

depending on the tweet you are using of course- 2500hz seems apropriate

squeak9798
12-27-2004, 08:00 PM
David said in the comp set they'll be lowpassed at 4200hz

profilepower
12-30-2004, 04:01 AM
ok ill disclose the secrets of my awsome rolling stereo.
1. jensen cd/stereo 2 of these 5v preamp out.
2. boss amp 150x2,4ohm bridged to 1 sub
3. pioneer 10' sub
----reasons. all reciever with under 5v pre outs is crap.
best sub under $100 pioneer.
boss good amp cheap reliable.6yr warrenty.
4. 5 1/4 jvc coaxials...best speaker i ever heard so far.
5. 6x9 cerwin vegas.
6. jensen 150rmsx2, 4 0hm mids/highs
----reasons most of these cheaper priced and the cerwin vega i wanted 1 top brand to brang on.lol
the jensen amp i already had.... 7. Lanzar cap 2.3 $95 didnt need it...new auto zone battery.

Acidburn
12-30-2004, 04:04 AM
ok ill disclose the secrets of my awsome rolling stereo.
1. jensen cd/stereo 2 of these 5v preamp out.
2. boss amp 150x2,4ohm bridged to 1 sub
3. pioneer 10' sub
----reasons. all reciever with under 5v pre outs is crap.
best sub under $100 pioneer.
boss good amp cheap reliable.6yr warrenty.
4. 5 1/4 jvc coaxials...best speaker i ever heard so far.
5. 6x9 cerwin vegas.
6. jensen 150rmsx2, 4 0hm mids/highs
----reasons most of these cheaper priced and the cerwin vega i wanted 1 top brand to brang on.lol
the jensen amp i already had.... 7. Lanzar cap 2.3 $95 didnt need it...new auto zone battery.
no one gives a **** about you and your ****, this was not the purpose of this thread
you sir are an idiot

audiolife
12-30-2004, 07:32 AM
where do you shop at bob and john's flea market?

supa_c
12-30-2004, 07:53 AM
That there is a gud store !
i got me some 6" speakers with them whizzer tweeters

req
12-30-2004, 09:46 AM
Req, have you got the Adire 8's up and running yet? What crossover points are you going with? How low can the horns go?

not yet, i free-aired them for a few, ill try them in a box (not made for them) but they do work, and i havnt got my doors done yet. itl be summer by the time it actually gets together.

but the horns go down to 650 with a 24db slope, nice and sharp. so ill prolly mess around between 650~750 with the horns and the kodas. itl really take a bit of tweaking im sure. im posative it will sound quite nice.

sqeak, please mang, shorten that sig. its quite obnoxious.

did anyone even buy these yet?

squeak9798
12-30-2004, 09:48 AM
sqeak, please mang, shorten that sig. its quite obnoxious.


LOL....you no likey?

req
12-30-2004, 09:53 AM
hmm..













HHHhhmm.




































no. :p:
please shorten it.

squeak9798
12-30-2004, 10:01 AM
hmm..



HHHhhmm.
no. :p:
please shorten it.

I did it just for you baby doll :ladysman:

cjj2d
01-01-2005, 02:11 PM
so does anyone have any experience with these yet??? how are they performing in doors no enclosure?

and are their some detailed specs/ratings on these?

paikiah
01-30-2005, 08:29 AM
just WHERE do I have to go to see more specs on this driver? I'm really contemplating purchasing a couple sets during the group buy, yet I can't seem to see much info on them. Couldn't find them on reaudio.com either.

squeak9798
01-30-2005, 01:42 PM
just WHERE do I have to go to see more specs on this driver?

You'll have to call them.

paikiah
01-30-2005, 01:44 PM
it's a b1tch to call international to a number I know I'll have a hard time getting through. A written spec would be of much use to me right now....sigh...

squeak9798
01-30-2005, 01:47 PM
it's a b1tch to call international to a number I know I'll have a hard time getting through. A written spec would be of much use to me right now....sigh...


Try requesting them in the "group buy" thread. I'm sure some people will hop on board with you in the request......hopefully swaying Dave to post them :) I know I'll 2nd your motion :thumbupw:

jtomsic
01-30-2005, 01:51 PM
yea id like to know the specs too might order a pair myself.

paikiah
01-30-2005, 01:53 PM
good idea, gonna post it on that thread.

man, it's 3 a.m. now, i should be sleeping but i'm thinking about midbass drivers... i MUST still be addicted to car audio.

squeak9798
01-30-2005, 02:10 PM
man, it's 3 a.m. now, i should be sleeping but i'm thinking about midbass drivers... i MUST still be addicted to car audio.


LMAO........it's 1pm here :p: I've got all day to think about midbass drivers

RandyJ
01-30-2005, 02:35 PM
it's a b1tch to call international to a number I know I'll have a hard time getting through. A written spec would be of much use to me right now....sigh...

It's not hard for me:confused: :confused:

chubby
01-30-2005, 09:53 PM
XXX and dedicated midbass??? anyone??

sounds like they would be killer, but if they really sound as good as they are hyped up to be i would hate to waste all those sweet sweet mid-upper freqs on my CDTs?? jeez, decisions, decisions. well sort of

paikiah
01-30-2005, 10:35 PM
It's not hard for me:confused: :confused:
then you go ahead and call for me and get as many T/S parameters as possible. lol~

kappa546
02-02-2005, 11:06 AM
Specs for the XXX 6.5:
RE: 1.75 Ohms
Fs: 47.4 Hz
Qms: 2.33
Qes: 0.59
Qts: 0.473
Mms: 15.04 g
Cms: 7.505E-04
Vas: 21.49 ltr
1- way Xmax: 13mm linear (verified via Klippel)
Le: 0.14mH
Bl: 3.636 t/m
Power: 150wrms
Spl: 87.75 dB 1W/1m

kappa546
02-02-2005, 11:08 AM
i hate that the BL is so **** low... that shyed me away from getting a set (just personal preference). if RE could boost that (which i think they should since most dotn have sealed pods in car) it would work awesome IB with that .47 Q.

cjj2d
02-11-2005, 09:27 PM
ordered me a set of these, I will let everyone know how I like them after the group buy ships out.

They will be powered with about 150 watts or so, and in the doors.