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m()nk3yb()y
11-29-2004, 11:55 AM
What all headunits are just pre outs? Everything will be amped I just don't want an internal amplifier. I'd rather save that power for the real amps. So far I've only found two, a Clarion ProAudio DRZ9255 (http://www.cardomain.com/item/CLADRZ9255) and the Eclipse 8053 (couldn't find the web link). And I have a sinking feeling the Eclipse is probably gonna be close in cost to the Clarion. I've heard that the Alpine 79 series is also amp less but I can't find any links to any current models. Are ampless headunits going the way of the cassettes decks or am I just blind? Thoughts? Help? Opinions? Winning lotto numbers? :thumbsup:

Mark_ab
11-29-2004, 12:06 PM
There are many ampless headunits out there.
C90, C910, P1, P1R, 8240, 8250, 8250ti, P9, drz/drx9255, Z1, etc etc etc

Which one you choose is dependant on how much money you have and what features you're looking for. They vary in price from about 150USD to 700USD

m()nk3yb()y
11-29-2004, 12:20 PM
I'm sorry I guess my newbness is showing through when I ask what brands preceed those model numbers? I recognize a few like the clarion and eclipse but the rest aren't familiar to me... And are those model numbers for new 2004 lines or are they gonna be older models? I expect to pay around 300 for decent headunit here as well. Although I know saving up more, might be the wiser way to go.

mastershake
11-29-2004, 12:24 PM
it might just be the cavalier but i had an internal remote amp turn coming frommy harness that i just cut anf used as a remote

ngsm13
11-29-2004, 12:31 PM
Eclipse 8053 to add to that list, it was a 2003 model that they kept for 2004 as well. Excellent HU, i owned one! Also, most of alpine's HU's have a setting to turn off the internal amplifiers...it's under settings, you can select "power-ic: off". That's what i've always done. peace

NG

squeak9798
11-29-2004, 12:48 PM
Here is the list from Mark_ab w/ manufacturers and current production:

Older:

Sony C90
Sony C910
Pioneer P1
Pioneer P1R
Pioneer ODR
Clarion DRX9255
Alpine 7969 (don't buy a 7949, they had some problems)


Currently in Production:

Clarion drz9255
Denon Z1 (~$2500 and hard to find in the states)
Eclipse 8053
Pioneer P9
Alpine F#1 Status 7990

Not a current model, but can still be found as new because of a recent liquidation:

Rockford Fosgate 8240
Rockford Fosgate 8250
Rockford Fosgate 8250ti


The 8053 is ~$500, not too bad. The P9 combo will cost you upward of $1k, and the Denon Z1 is pretty much a status symbol only.

Mark_ab
11-29-2004, 01:11 PM
the Denon Z1 is pretty much a status symbol only.

LIES! It sounds $1000 better than any other singular head unit on the market. You just don't know what $1000 sounds like. n00b!
:silly:

Mark_ab
11-29-2004, 01:13 PM
There's some McIntosh head unit as well, dual 20 bit burr browns, 5V, meh. If you want to dish out fat cash for a name I suppose. Probably some Nak units out there without the internal amplifier, I'm not familiar with them and am too lazy to not be ignorant.

iceteebone
11-29-2004, 01:17 PM
i wouldn't recommend buy an ampless one because resale value *****. i learned the hard way :( also if you ever change your system and decide you need speaker outputs you don't have them. there good headunits out the with internal amps.

LBX2G
11-29-2004, 01:21 PM
oh an dennon has ampless HU

adam71
11-29-2004, 01:29 PM
i wouldn't recommend buy an ampless one because resale value *****. i learned the hard way :( also if you ever change your system and decide you need speaker outputs you don't have them. there good headunits out the with internal amps.


I would !! Head units without internal amps are very much worth it. They run alot cooler than units with internal amps and are normally more high end than units that have amps. One thing to remember about units with internal amps is that just because you aren't using them doesn't mean they aren't dissipating heat. As far as resale goes, anyone who is serious about AUDIO will pay for a nice ampless head unit because they appreciate that. If you try to sell to a younger guy who doesn't much care about sound so much won't buy an ampless and even if he did he wouldn't justify paying higher dollar for one without an amp.

-Adam

iceteebone
11-29-2004, 01:43 PM
I would !! Head units without internal amps are very much worth it. They run alot cooler than units with internal amps and are normally more high end than units that have amps. One thing to remember about units with internal amps is that just because you aren't using them doesn't mean they aren't dissipating heat. As far as resale goes, anyone who is serious about AUDIO will pay for a nice ampless head unit because they appreciate that. If you try to sell to a younger guy who doesn't much care about sound so much won't buy an ampless and even if he did he wouldn't justify paying higher dollar for one without an amp.

-Adam


i tried for about 3 months to sell my panasonic drx900u. went for $425 new ended up finally selling it for $100. i consider a pioneer 8600 high end and it has an internal amp and works just fine.

LBX2G
11-29-2004, 02:18 PM
wellll i do not consider pioneer to be high-end. There premier line is nice tho. But that is just my .2 cents

iceteebone
11-29-2004, 02:45 PM
wellll i do not consider pioneer to be high-end. There premier line is nice tho. But that is just my .2 cents


lol, premier and pioneer are the same. if you don't consider the 8600/9600 higher end then what do you consider higher end?

Mark_ab
11-29-2004, 02:48 PM
All of the units that were listed above have relatively high resale value as nearly all of them are constantly in demand. Internal amps ****.

iceteebone
11-29-2004, 02:51 PM
how does not having an internal amp effect the sq of your external amps?

3.5Max6spd
11-29-2004, 06:31 PM
how does not having an internal amp effect the sq of your external amps?

Because the HU is the mother of the signal chain- it affects everything along its signal path- an amplifiers signal is only as good as the signal feeding it- that why people benefit from preamp EQ's and line drivers

Also the harder a HU has to work(wether its an internal amp, DSP
eq's/crossovers, loudness etc...) compromises that signal

JLCivic
11-29-2004, 10:08 PM
i wouldn't recommend buy an ampless one because resale value *****. i learned the hard way :( also if you ever change your system and decide you need speaker outputs you don't have them. there good headunits out the with internal amps.

In many cases, anybody who would be buying a "dead head" used, certainly isn't interested in using deck power.

Add these to the list of dead heads(not sure if these have been mentioned):

Eclipse ECD 415/CD8051/8052/8061/8062
Clarion HX-D10
Alpine cda-7995

m()nk3yb()y
11-30-2004, 01:45 PM
Well at least I now know there's a selection of ampless headunits out there. Now to decide on which one I want. Thanks for the info guys. :thumbupw:

soundfx2
11-30-2004, 06:46 PM
the eclipse 8053 is a steal right now. eclipse has a special on them till the end of the yr. i am selling them for 299.00 brand new with full waruntee. for the money you are not going to find a better head unit. soundfxny.com

squeak9798
11-30-2004, 07:03 PM
the eclipse 8053 is a steal right now. eclipse has a special on them till the end of the yr. i am selling them for 299.00 brand new with full waruntee. for the money you are not going to find a better head unit. soundfxny.com

Care to mail me one of those at that price ;)

soundfx2
11-30-2004, 07:14 PM
i will send one out tomarrow if you want. call me at my store tommarow 845-928-9099. but you might not want it after you see my reply on volage and the eclipse radio message. dont take it to hard i love to get in debates. my name is john if you call.i am in new york. i am open from 10-6

6spdcoupe
12-01-2004, 12:00 PM
i will send one out tomarrow if you want. call me at my store tommarow 845-928-9099. but you might not want it after you see my reply on volage and the eclipse radio message. dont take it to hard i love to get in debates. my name is john if you call.i am in new york. i am open from 10-6

So then your saying your a dealer of Eclipse? How are you going to warranty anything after shipping? Receipt? With install for the three year? ESN card with your name on it? Etc.....

--Don

6spdcoupe
12-02-2004, 01:58 AM
Hey soundfx2....I noticed you replied to another thread, but have not yet answered my wuestions regarding your affiliation with Eclipse and whatever warranty your claiming to provide. Care to enlighten us?

--Don

LBX2G
12-02-2004, 02:49 AM
yeah pioneer makes the premire models. But they are not the same. Oh and premire has some a 1 or 2 different models than premire. And no i do not consider the 8600 or 9600 to be high. They are very nice but not adiophile material.


p.s. sorry for the misspelled words.

iceteebone
12-02-2004, 07:52 PM
yeah pioneer makes the premire models. But they are not the same. Oh and premire has some a 1 or 2 different models than premire. And no i do not consider the 8600 or 9600 to be high. They are very nice but not adiophile material.


p.s. sorry for the misspelled words.


then what is???

bonesninja
12-02-2004, 07:56 PM
you can also turn off the internal on this years alpine 9831 and 35 model--not sure if you can on the lower model numbers tho.

LBX2G
12-02-2004, 11:02 PM
nak is high end
denon
alpine has some very high end stuff
Eclipse
Sony had some high end stuff
clarion also had some high end stuff
MacIntosh
RF I think has some high end stuff or use to.


oh and like i said premier has some like the DEX-P9

iceteebone
12-02-2004, 11:04 PM
nak is high end
denon
alpine has some very high end stuff
Eclipse
Sony had some high end stuff
clarion also had some high end stuff
MacIntosh
RF I think has some high end stuff or use to.


oh and like i said premier has some like the DEX-P9


lol, sony is more high end then pioneer?

squeak9798
12-02-2004, 11:11 PM
lol, sony is more high end then pioneer?

Notice he said had.....the old school C90 and accompanying processor (4000x I believe) are great units (72db/oct crossover on the sub channel ;) ), as were the old ES amps.

brandontw
12-02-2004, 11:33 PM
my Alpine CDA7995 is nice. insane music adjustments on it, im still learning stuff and ive had it for a year (im lazy and havent touched the manual) ther is time correction, bass focus, EQ, ECt.

i figure a HU that has an amp in it has the amp taking up most of thespace inside, so how does that leave room for quality pream components, my 7995 weighs more than all of my other HU have, and it doesnt have an amp in it, this tells me that alot more goes into its preamp than an amped unit.