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massivespl
12-28-2014, 12:32 AM
So built this for 4 crossfire xs v2 and did a 153db at 38hz. Well I sold the crossfires and picked up some SA 18s to play with while I save money for some new subs. Still undecided on what subs. But on to the pics.

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Boomin_tahoe
12-28-2014, 12:36 AM
No replies? lol

massivespl
12-28-2014, 12:43 AM
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Now I still need to install these sundown 18s. Will prly be a few day until I get to it.

Boomin_tahoe
12-28-2014, 12:54 AM
Weak











j/k :)

HomeGrown
12-28-2014, 06:44 AM
Wow let's see how long they last on 8 k . I want a demo lol

massivespl
12-28-2014, 08:04 AM
They will last forever because I know what I'm doing lol. If I get really frisky I'll put 2 8ks on them. :) I'm sure u will get a demo

mazdakid
12-28-2014, 08:50 AM
153 with 4 18s on how much power?

LosIsATool
12-28-2014, 08:57 AM
153 with 4 18s on 2 8ks? You joking right?

Spl4200
12-28-2014, 09:13 AM
Wow let's see how long they last on 8 k . I want a demo lol

I second that.

72Impala
12-28-2014, 09:18 AM
153 with 4 18s on 2 8ks? You joking right?


And it's a wall too, and in a tahoe which is very easy to get loud.

LosIsATool
12-28-2014, 09:22 AM
Only 3 db higher than 2 12s no wall on 1/4 the power. At the same frequency.

massivespl
12-28-2014, 09:23 AM
You guys are fvcking stupid. It's hard to get loud in a Tahoe. This is a ground pound build not spl. I'm tuned low and can play down into the teens and peak at 38hz... Tahoes have lots of air space. If I had a bpillar wall I could be at a 57db no problem. I did a 53 on 1 8k. That's a decent score... This site is a joke filled with dbags

Battleaxwarior
12-28-2014, 09:28 AM
Tough crowd, not everybody needs to have the best or the highest numbers to sound good.

72Impala
12-28-2014, 09:31 AM
I saw 154 in a tahoe UNDER the window line at 36hz. 2 x 18's 10kw

Also saw 157.8 in a Tahoe UNDER the window line no wall with 4 x 18's and 30kw

151 2 x 15's in a regular box on 4kw clamped

List goes on. Everyone uses tahoes to get loud Cuz. They get loud. No offense just saying. Don't have to get butthurt

LosIsATool
12-28-2014, 09:31 AM
Bro Tahoes are very easy to get loud. That's why everybody uses them.

massivespl
12-28-2014, 09:32 AM
Since everyone are know it alls on this site tell me what do to to get a higher score and I'll do whatever u say and show u it's hard to he loud from cpillar in a Tahoe.... I know tons of ppl with tahoes that's can't get past that 152 153 mark... It ain't as easy as u think

LosIsATool
12-28-2014, 09:33 AM
We do 60s with 4 9518s on 2 m4as and it gets deep.

Battleaxwarior
12-28-2014, 09:34 AM
153 with 4 18s on 2 8ks? You joking right?

1-8k not 2

massivespl
12-28-2014, 09:35 AM
There's a huge thread on Caco about tahoes and hardly no one can get over 153 from behind the REAR seats. Sure there's one of 2 ppl that are loud. I love how everyone is I seen this I seen that but no one has a Tahoe and is pumpin out huge numbers on 10k or under

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Ya 2 ma4 is a lot more power then 1 8k retard

72Impala
12-28-2014, 09:36 AM
Ok. Take out your wall, and rebuild. It's obviously not right. And where is your 153? Kick, glass, headrest? Cuz all the numbers I listed are headrest which is about 2db lower than kick. I hope your not 153 kick Cuz then your wall is really messed up.

LosIsATool
12-28-2014, 09:36 AM
We had a 54 under the window line with 2 9518s on 1 m4a. 2 9915s on 2 m4as does a 55+ 30 second average.

massivespl
12-28-2014, 09:36 AM
And my ports on passenger side so it's louder to ME the driver

72Impala
12-28-2014, 09:36 AM
There's a huge thread on Caco about tahoes and hardly no one can get over 153 from behind the REAR seats. Sure there's one of 2 ppl that are loud. I love how everyone is I seen this I seen that but no one has a Tahoe and is pumpin out huge numbers on 10k or under

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Ya 2 ma4 is a lot more power then 1 8k retard


Your xs8k is really a 10.5kw man

massivespl
12-28-2014, 09:37 AM
I don't compete. 100% daily

72Impala
12-28-2014, 09:37 AM
And his 160 is a whole lot louder than 153 lol

LosIsATool
12-28-2014, 09:38 AM
There's a huge thread on Caco about tahoes and hardly no one can get over 153 from behind the REAR seats. Sure there's one of 2 ppl that are loud. I love how everyone is I seen this I seen that but no one has a Tahoe and is pumpin out huge numbers on 10k or under

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Ya 2 ma4 is a lot more power then 1 8k retard

It's half of your power or more. That's not a 7db difference and you have 4in coils we have 3in coils. Who's the retard?

massivespl
12-28-2014, 09:38 AM
Still 2 ma4 is way more power then a cf 8k. Ma4 are little monsters

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3 inch coils get louder on less power then 4 inch

LosIsATool
12-28-2014, 09:39 AM
I say ditch the wall because it looks like low airspace anyway. Or use 15s instead.

72Impala
12-28-2014, 09:40 AM
Just rebuild the wall lol

LosIsATool
12-28-2014, 09:40 AM
Still 2 ma4 is way more power then a cf 8k. Ma4 are little monsters

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3 inch coils get louder on less power then 4 inch

They are solid 7s. Not that much less power at this lvl

72Impala
12-28-2014, 09:40 AM
I say ditch the wall because it looks like low airspace anyway. Or use 15s instead.

This wall is too small

massivespl
12-28-2014, 09:40 AM
22 cubes after displacement

LosIsATool
12-28-2014, 09:41 AM
And 4in coils with that kind of BL get loud on lower power.

LosIsATool
12-28-2014, 09:43 AM
That don't look like 22 cubes bro. It's a picture so it's hard to tell but I don't see it. C pillar plus the open back. I don't see it

massivespl
12-28-2014, 09:45 AM
It's 50 wide and 33 deep and 37 tall if I remember correctly

massivespl
12-28-2014, 09:46 AM
Everybody that's heard It was impressed with it. Unless they are all liars.

LosIsATool
12-28-2014, 09:52 AM
A 53 low is loud no doubt but it should be way higher for what it is. At least you don't have to worry about replacing the windshield after demo days.

72Impala
12-28-2014, 09:54 AM
Everybody that's heard It was impressed with it. Unless they are all liars.


I'm sure it sounds good just saying with the gear you have, you can do better instead of just throwing more power at it

massivespl
12-28-2014, 09:54 AM
It's hard as hell to break windshields. U need 160+ and that's hard from cpillar no matter what... Ppl seem to forget once u pass 150 it's hard as hell to start gaining even 1db... This ain't my first rodeo and I don't claim to be a guru but I do know alittle about car audio been doing it for 12 years..

LosIsATool
12-28-2014, 09:55 AM
It's not when you have those 9518s walled. It shits them on command

LosIsATool
12-28-2014, 09:56 AM
Driving 1.5 hours in the rain with a windshield full of duct tape blows.

massivespl
12-28-2014, 10:03 AM
That's why u use clear packing tape

raptor727
12-28-2014, 10:22 AM
2003 Tahoe two Hdc4 18's under rear window Cactus K9 153's all day with ease on windshield in my Tahoe. Box could obviously use some improvements in your tahoe man no offense. Next year it will be four in a c-pillar on more power so we will see!!

brian84corvette
12-28-2014, 11:03 AM
Tough croud for shure - large air space = hard to gain +1 db after a certan amount of loud. Believe me I kno - I've been fighting the ghetto blaster burb project a while now - wich by the way is punishing / brutal to sit in now with atomic 5k - but I want to kno the sa18s - I've been pondering those as my next sub - but I'd want to mount inverted - do you see any issue with that ? Have you tried mounting inverted for fun to see how it plays that way ?

LosIsATool
12-28-2014, 11:09 AM
Actually more airspace normally has higher cabin gain. Also you can fit way more cone area

72Impala
12-28-2014, 11:24 AM
Not saying it's easier to get loud in a bigger vehicle. But tahoes get loud for some reason. Suburbans and excursions take a little more usually because the distance from your enclosure to the front (where the meter is). When you wall also, you are taking a lot of airspace out of what you have to pressurize. It's way easier to get loud with a wall than regular street box.

LosIsATool
12-28-2014, 11:32 AM
Tahoes, astro vans, and CRXs. Magic SPL dust

72Impala
12-28-2014, 11:35 AM
Tahoes, astro vans, and CRXs. Magic SPL dust


Yes very true

massivespl
12-28-2014, 02:01 PM
Haha crx are no where close to tahoes..

More like explorers and blazer and crx.

And Tahoe Yukon Denali Burban are a lot harder to get loud in then a fricken crx

LosIsATool
12-28-2014, 02:05 PM
B
Haha crx are no where close to tahoes..

More like explorers and blazer and crx.

And Tahoe Yukon Denali Burban are a lot hard to to get loud in.

Bro I just told you about two tahoes we did local that got very loud very easy. The CRX and astro is a burp machine since they peak high. Why do you think you see so many demo trucks built out of tahoes? Black nasty, the brown note, price, many many more

LosIsATool
12-28-2014, 02:07 PM
Hell we had a local craigslist idiot do a 50 in a Tahoe with some cheap *** vvme 12s in a prefab

adulbrich
12-28-2014, 02:12 PM
The crowd is really tough here. Can't someone post pics of their build and not have to deal with other people talking ****?

TheFiverMan
12-28-2014, 02:13 PM
Awesome equipment but with that score it seems to be a little off. a guy with 2 18" btls and rf4k doing a 151 at 38hz. 2004 Tahoe

LosIsATool
12-28-2014, 02:15 PM
The crowd is really tough here. Can't someone post pics of their build and not have to deal with other people talking ****?

Dude asked us we replied. Should we have just said THATS AWESOME MAN! Hella loud!!

adulbrich
12-28-2014, 02:25 PM
Dude asked us we replied. Should we have just said THATS AWESOME MAN! Hella loud!!

Nah, just saying that three pages of people telling him he's not loud enough with that equipment is a little excessive

I've never metered, although I would like to. Hell, I could be doing 130's and be like "this is hella loud".

LosIsATool
12-28-2014, 02:28 PM
Most are very impressed at 140.

raptor727
12-28-2014, 03:26 PM
Tough crowd vecause most of us know what the **** were talking about or just talk **** like we do lmao. I like to do both after all this is caraudio.com so if you can't take it go back to caco and hug sonic's nuts lulz

adulbrich
12-28-2014, 03:29 PM
Tough crowd vecause most of us know what the **** were talking about or just talk **** like we do lmao. I like to do both after all this is caraudio.com so if you can't take it go back to caco and hug sonic's nuts lulz

I'm not a big fan of CACO. You're very limited unless you want to pay for membership

Its one thing to be helpful and suggest things, but another to be an a$$ about it. That's all I'm saying

LosIsATool
12-28-2014, 03:33 PM
If he didn't continue to say hoes don't get loud I would stop being a ***. They are one of the easiest SUVs to get loud.

adulbrich
12-28-2014, 03:38 PM
If he didn't continue to say hoes don't get loud I would stop being a ***. They are one of the easiest SUVs to get loud.

Alright, true

brian84corvette
12-28-2014, 03:58 PM
ford explorer is the eaziest ive seen to get loud. literly one 12" sony explode in a decware death box #2 (http://www.caraudio.com/forums/usertag.php?do=list&action=hash&hash=2) design off a crappy 500w ab amp bridged was rattling everyones brains.

i wana kno about the sa 18s ! give us / me the feedback on them. also wtf is going on at caco cant view anything there.

massivespl
12-28-2014, 04:05 PM
Idk how to quote what ppl say so I can reply to each response. I hit reply with qoute a **** don't work.

But if I had 4 Pyle blue waves 18s u guys would be like **** nice score. But since there crossfire woofers your like 153 is weak.. Again I've had 2 18s on 8k and was doing 52 below window line 10.5 cubed box. It's hard as **** to gain db after u hit 150... Ppl don't buy tahoes because there easy to get loud. They buy them because there cheap, tons of parts easily available, lots of room, and u can add quad alts like nothing, that's why ppl buy tahoes not cuz they get loud easy.

massivespl
12-28-2014, 04:07 PM
Caco is funked up right now.. Whoever said somethin. About sonic over there is retard cuz no one hugs sonics nuts... Almost everyone dislikes him

massivespl
12-28-2014, 04:08 PM
Once I get the Sundowns installed I'll give u a review brain. Since ur a normal human that don't talk ****.

LosIsATool
12-28-2014, 04:11 PM
2 15s on 2 7ks doing 55s on music. Just saying. It was just a ported box. Nothing special. That sounds easy

massivespl
12-28-2014, 04:12 PM
Post link of the Tahoe 2 15s doing a 155 on music please

hispls
12-28-2014, 04:14 PM
I would think that more details of "my buddy is doing 15X.X with less equipment" posts. What were the GOALS of those builds? Let's compare RTA graphs of both.

153 is fine out of the cargo area IMO particularly if you have a good wide bandwidth.

LosIsATool
12-28-2014, 04:15 PM
I'll look for some but here is the 160
http://youtu.be/zqDGGtvoA58

massivespl
12-28-2014, 04:17 PM
That video of a 60 is bpillar.

LosIsATool
12-28-2014, 04:19 PM
Ok. It's still 7db higher. The 55 is no wall

massivespl
12-28-2014, 04:20 PM
My bandwidth is great. 20hz is a **** hurricane. I can play 15-45hz nicely. Plays all music.

massivespl
12-28-2014, 04:21 PM
No loud for u is a tard. Haha u make me smile. He's a 160 but is a bpillar. Haha

brian84corvette
12-28-2014, 04:22 PM
Once I get the Sundowns installed I'll give u a review brain. Since ur a normal human that don't talk ****.

i mean i love talking shyte but im a firm believer NOW in the airspace rule
small air space - eazy to loud - large air space much harder to loud. theese guys saying window line box doing 160s off 5k with 2 12s are out of their minds - or maby they just are getting in acurate readings from a meter because ive got six 18s in a 4th that can barely float a sheet of paper with a front window open.. if i scored less than a 150 id be shocked - but if i managed to score higher than a 155 id pee my pants with exitment.
why
because the internal air space needs to become preasurized and when there is such a large amount of internal space ( cabbin gain yeah right - maby for that range of 8 hz in the peak zone ) smaller airspace wins every time. viechle flex also KILLS spl. wasted sub energy in flex. my floor is now floping up and down so badly my center consol boxes are literly jumping up and down.

massivespl
12-28-2014, 04:24 PM
Caco is back up and running peace out ****

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I can float t shirts

LosIsATool
12-28-2014, 04:24 PM
26551216

2 15s louder than your 4 18 wall.

LosIsATool
12-28-2014, 04:27 PM
Caco is back up and running peace out ****

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I can float t shirts

Take your failed wall butt hurt back to CACO with the rest of the Tahoe failures

massivespl
12-28-2014, 04:31 PM
My cuzin friends uncle did a 173 with 2 jl 15s in a sealed box in Tahoe. Oh but I have no proof.

brian84corvette
12-28-2014, 04:32 PM
lol caco still broken.
what a terrible server they must have hahahaha

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hey massive - you ever try mounting your subs inverted in your wall ? did it drasticly change anything ?

massivespl
12-28-2014, 04:36 PM
Caco working for me. It says post didn't work but If I reload the page the post will be there. I just posted on ur build log on Caco. And no I never inverted cuz then I couldn't have my back seats functional

massivespl
12-28-2014, 04:37 PM
Noloud4u where are your super impressive builds u built with your own hands.. Post them up. Let's see your car? I tried going through threads u started and they where all stupid like which amp should I buy, and thinkin of getting a new car. I see u had a scion build log. None of the pics will work for me. But I see someone was saying u did a 46 at like 43hz on 5k in that little car is that true? Cuz that score really svcks

massivespl
12-28-2014, 04:59 PM
Also I've heard 57db system that don't even sound as loud as my old wall did. So number don't mean everything.

raptor727
12-28-2014, 05:01 PM
Ill post a video if there is a meter at the local meet this weekend

gckless
12-28-2014, 05:11 PM
Playing 15-45hz isn't playing all music.

massivespl
12-28-2014, 05:21 PM
It plays pretty flat. It just starts to fall off after 45hz. It still play it. And that's all I want my sub stage to play. My front stage can pick up the mid bass

LosIsATool
12-28-2014, 05:26 PM
Those rockford PAs play midbass? I figured they would struggle under 100hz

brian84corvette
12-28-2014, 05:26 PM
Ill post a video if there is a meter at the local meet this weekend

no one has meters in FL ive been searching for one a while now... :( Fort Lauderdale area for me

massivespl
12-28-2014, 05:43 PM
The Rockford pros be making change bounce in up cup holder. But I do have 2 rockfords in the lower center console part uneder the front dash

raptor727
12-28-2014, 05:57 PM
There is a spl labs local to me but I dont know how accurate it is. Dude charges like ten bucks to use it for 30 seconds though lmao

nadcicle
12-28-2014, 07:38 PM
Seen your build elsewhere. Curious what the SA's do for you. Good luck and just know that there is definitely someone fibbin about getting some numbers with 2 18's cause I seen them struggle getting a 147.5 at our local shows. I know how hard it was for me to break my 50 in my 97 suburban street build c pillar under seat line. It took me 4 15 ethos and a ct 4k to do it at a show.

TheFiverMan
12-28-2014, 07:54 PM
no fibbin on the 150+ 2 18s no wall. Its not impossible lol. guy doing 150db in a trunk with 2 12" zv4s @ 29hz on a single 3500d. Sometimes more money doesnt always give you more sense.

Doug118
12-28-2014, 08:05 PM
Took me 2 18's and an AB150.1 to break a 150 in my Tahoe.

Battleaxwarior
12-28-2014, 08:05 PM
Take your failed wall butt hurt back to CACO with the rest of the Tahoe failures

What you so mad about dude, is it bc he didnt use dd subs? Or were you banned from there or something....whats your deal against caco? lol

Boomin_tahoe
12-28-2014, 08:08 PM
Tahoe, Yukon, Suburban Thread - Car Audio Classifieds (http://www.caraudioclassifieds.org/forum/general-car-audio-discussion-questions/70825-tahoe-yukon-suburban-thread.html)

Here ya go. Many nice installs....and many people saying how difficult it is to get loud in suburban, tahoe, yukon, etc. Don't worry about these dbags Nate. I see more of your proof than anybody else talkin ****.

This is exactly why I don't come here anymore. More **** talkers than action.

Oh sure, getting loud in a Tahoe is easy....yeah, if you gotta 5k or 10k amp chasing numbers. Or competing, good luck. People don't realize the cabin space inside the vehicle differs than that of a reg vehicle or smaller.....which would result in more watts to get louder.

massivespl
12-28-2014, 08:12 PM
He mad cuz he did a 46 on 5k in a scion and I didn't use DD audio.

Boomin_tahoe
12-28-2014, 08:16 PM
caco still messed up...dammit

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Notloud4u lets see some actual proof to back up your claims.

massivespl
12-28-2014, 08:21 PM
Thanks boomin

Battleaxwarior
12-28-2014, 08:27 PM
He mad cuz he did a 46 on 5k in a scion and I didn't use DD audio.

lol 146 on 5k? I was at 147 at 32hz on a bc2000d at .5ohm on a single 15 :) i must be a pro....j/k oh and massive....this is IS300IAdeathRow from caco....dont ask me why i picked different names when i signed up for either site lol But caco still isnt working for me either.

massivespl
12-28-2014, 08:30 PM
I wasn't talkin about u battleax.

I don't know how to quote ppls quotes im my post in sry. I click reply with quote and nothing happens

Battleaxwarior
12-28-2014, 08:32 PM
I wasn't talkin about u battleax.

I don't know how to quote ppls quotes im my post in sry. I click reply with quote and nothing happens

No i know you were talking about him, i was just saying **** he only got a 146 with 5k lol i was just stating i did better than that on less than half his power

Boomin_tahoe
12-28-2014, 08:40 PM
I wasn't talkin about u battleax.

I don't know how to quote ppls quotes im my post in sry. I click reply with quote and nothing happens

Gotta hit quote with reply man :)

massivespl
12-28-2014, 08:40 PM
No i know you were talking about him, i was just saying **** he only got a 146 with 5k lol i was just stating i did better than that on less than half his power

Oh **** my reply with quote is working now whoot whoot

gckless
12-28-2014, 08:40 PM
Ragging on that dude for doing 146 with 5k isn't any better than him ragging on you for doing 153 with a wall and 10k. Could have had the same low end, and not very meter-friendly, goals.

That said, I think that box could use some improvements that should be easy and would improve that score. It looks like it would flex some, first thing that went through my head looking at pictures was that it wasn't super solid. Does it?

Also, is that sealed off properly? Looks like there's space between the side panels and the seatbelt.

massivespl
12-28-2014, 08:41 PM
Gotta hit quote with reply man :)

Yea I know it just started working for some reason

Battleaxwarior
12-28-2014, 08:45 PM
Ragging on that dude for doing 146 with 5k isn't any better than him ragging on you for doing 153 with a wall and 10k. Could have had the same low end, and not very meter-friendly, goals.

That said, I think that box could use some improvements that should be easy and would improve that score. It looks like it would flex some, first thing that went through my head looking at pictures was that it wasn't super solid. Does it?

Also, is that sealed off properly? Looks like there's space between the side panels and the seatbelt.

Who is ragging? Just simply stating a fact. Im not the type to throw things in peoples faces, but he def has a way of belittling someone elses setup or "you should be way louder" attitude when he shouldnt be the one doing the talking. I mean am i wrong?

massivespl
12-28-2014, 08:45 PM
No not sealed off

Boomin_tahoe
12-28-2014, 08:46 PM
bbl...gonna go get some pizza

brian84corvette
12-28-2014, 08:46 PM
stupid caco isnt working for me either still im dying to see an amp there in the classifieds
frick


box flex ? ive never experienced this lol.
my build uses 2x8 structure behind 3 layers of 3/4 ply
http://i214.photobucket.com/albums/cc279/brian84corvette/013_zps72ff75f6.jpg (http://s214.photobucket.com/user/brian84corvette/media/013_zps72ff75f6.jpg.html)
http://i214.photobucket.com/albums/cc279/brian84corvette/008_zpsc8245b8c.jpg (http://s214.photobucket.com/user/brian84corvette/media/008_zpsc8245b8c.jpg.html)

build strong so you dont have to band aid with crappy pole bracings or thread rod

Boomin_tahoe
12-28-2014, 08:47 PM
brian...that looks solid. But, i dont think Ive seen a side wall like that. Def different.

LosIsATool
12-28-2014, 08:49 PM
That 5k and DD subs was only 3db under your 4 18 on 10k wall. Not a 146. It was only 4db under you at 27hz. With 2 12s. Try again

brian84corvette
12-28-2014, 08:49 PM
brian...that looks solid. But, i dont think Ive seen a side wall like that. Def different.

its a 4th order. 17 cubes net sealed with subs mounted regular 18.5 cubes net sealed if i mount inverted - 55 cubes ported c pillar square burb.
been following massive build since my days of window line box and horrible roof flex / noise

also found a term lab local finaly. mild n wild audio on sunrise 0 will get on a meter this week for my score

gckless
12-28-2014, 08:49 PM
No not sealed off

**** man, that's the problem here. Seal that bish off! Reinforce it while you're at it.

brian84corvette
12-28-2014, 08:55 PM
it would be a great experiment to test the sa 18 sub as is - get your scores - then spray foam the heck out of your wall / seal it off completely - make final trim pannels to fill all the gap - caulk it - let it all setup dry a day or 3 then re meter and see what improvments were made.

my guess
peak resonant hz goes up by 2 hz as well as score up by 1.5 db - but some low bandwidth may shrink up

massivespl
12-28-2014, 09:10 PM
That 5k and DD subs was only 3db under your 4 18 on 10k wall. Not a 146. It was only 4db under you at 27hz. With 2 12s. Try again

Ya u had a tiny car. Should do a 170db easy man. That shlt weak for 5k on 2 12s in a tiny car

**** I had a dd 9918 on 1500 watts in a 99 mountaineer doing 147 on music all day.

http://i1213.photobucket.com/albums/cc465/massivespl/A03E5744-0613-4408-ADEE-E311274369D8_zps4llv5slp.jpg (http://s1213.photobucket.com/user/massivespl/media/A03E5744-0613-4408-ADEE-E311274369D8_zps4llv5slp.jpg.html)

LosIsATool
12-28-2014, 09:13 PM
Ya u had a tiny car. Should do a 170db easy man. That shlt weak for 5k on 2 12s in a tiny car

So you come on here saying you won't blow those SAs because you know what you are doing and you have a unsealed wall with 4 big *** 18s on 10,000 watts doing a 53? And you think a tiny car makes it louder? You won't find many 2 12 setups under 40hz that's louder unless it's a trunk wall.

Boomin_tahoe
12-28-2014, 09:15 PM
its a 4th order. 17 cubes net sealed with subs mounted regular 18.5 cubes net sealed if i mount inverted - 55 cubes ported c pillar square burb.
been following massive build since my days of window line box and horrible roof flex / noise

also found a term lab local finaly. mild n wild audio on sunrise 0 will get on a meter this week for my score


oh got it now....

massivespl
12-28-2014, 09:16 PM
So you come on here saying you won't blow those SAs because you know what you are doing and you have a unsealed wall with 4 big *** 18s on 10,000 watts doing a 53? And you think a tiny car makes it louder? You won't find many 2 12 setups under 40hz that's louder unless it's a trunk wall.

Post up the 153db plus build u have built by yourself. I'm waiting.....

Battleaxwarior
12-28-2014, 09:17 PM
So you come on here saying you won't blow those SAs because you know what you are doing and you have a unsealed wall with 4 big *** 18s on 10,000 watts doing a 53? And you think a tiny car makes it louder? You won't find many 2 12 setups under 40hz that's louder unless it's a trunk wall.

Just curious, do you have a box with ur 12's or a half wall type setup? What amp do you run? I absolutely loved my dd m4, wish I never sold it :(

LosIsATool
12-28-2014, 09:17 PM
I don't have one and never will. I'm happy with a 130 these days. I've done my thing and I'm done

Boomin_tahoe
12-28-2014, 09:17 PM
So you come on here saying you won't blow those SAs because you know what you are doing and you have a unsealed wall with 4 big *** 18s on 10,000 watts doing a 53? And you think a tiny car makes it louder? You won't find many 2 12 setups under 40hz that's louder unless it's a trunk wall.

Did you know the 1st SA 18 was tested on 2 3500 sundown amps?! And from jacob owner of sundown audio. Now ***** about that.

Boomin_tahoe
12-28-2014, 09:19 PM
Again, notloud4u you fail to provide a single piece of proof, or even a link instead of talking out your a ss on here.

big scott
12-28-2014, 09:19 PM
cant we all just get along.................

nice truck, i like it...

massivespl
12-28-2014, 09:19 PM
Did you know the 1st SA 18 was tested on 2 3500 sundown amps?! And from jacob owner of sundown audio. Now ***** about that.


Jacob was burping single SA 18 on 2 ns1's homie

LosIsATool
12-28-2014, 09:20 PM
Just curious, do you have a box with ur 12's or a half wall type setup? What amp do you run? I absolutely loved my dd m4, wish I never sold it :(

I had a build log here but I deleted the pics to make room. It was 4 cubes net at 33hz with 56sq inches of port. 27-50hz was within a db. The M4 replaced a DC 5.0. The M4 was just as loud clean as the 5.0 was with a soft clip. I did up the alt 100 amps also so that probably helped.

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Again, notloud4u you fail to provide a single piece of proof, or even a link instead of talking out your a ss on here.

I'm sure people here have seen my old build log.

TheFiverMan
12-28-2014, 09:21 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cogjlK4SjUs

Im done. Not knocking any builds from any of these guys on here. i love his equipment but saying it isnt possible is another thing. Youve help me a lot in the past on caco. Hope the SAs give you good results.

LosIsATool
12-28-2014, 09:21 PM
Did you know the 1st SA 18 was tested on 2 3500 sundown amps?! And from jacob owner of sundown audio. Now ***** about that.

Did you know it's a 2.5 inch coil...

massivespl
12-28-2014, 09:22 PM
cant we all just get along.................

nice truck, i like it...

I agree give me tips and pointers we are here to learn. Noloud4you came in here not trying to make friends but to say I seen louder so u ****

Boomin_tahoe
12-28-2014, 09:24 PM
Jacob was burping single SA 18 on 2 ns1's homie


Oh my bad. I'd go look but dammit...you know why!! Still tho a rated 600 watt sub taking two of them amps....Im beyond impressed.

massivespl
12-28-2014, 09:24 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cogjlK4SjUs

Im done. Not knocking any builds from any of these guys on here. i love his equipment but saying it isnt possible is another thing. Youve help me a lot in the past on caco. Hope the SAs give you good results.

I did 53 sealed on dash not door open

LosIsATool
12-28-2014, 09:25 PM
I agree give me tips and pointers we are here to learn. Noloud4you came in here not trying to make friends but to say I seen louder so u ****

I didn't start out that way. I seriously thought you where trolling. I tried to tell you it should be louder in a nice way. Tahoes get loud that's a proven fact. Honestly I have zero experiance with a c pillar build in one. Not having your wall sealed off it a big one.

Boomin_tahoe
12-28-2014, 09:26 PM
Did you know it's a 2.5 inch coil...

So? WTF does coil size have to do with 2 6500 watt amps on a 600 watt rated 18?

LosIsATool
12-28-2014, 09:27 PM
So? WTF does coil size have to do with 2 6500 watt amps on a 600 watt rated 18?

Do I really have to answer this for you?

massivespl
12-28-2014, 09:27 PM
Oh my bad. I'd go look but dammit...you know why!! Still tho a rated 600 watt sub taking two of them amps....Im beyond impressed.

http://youtu.be/JU6z88Tjaj4

Boomin_tahoe
12-28-2014, 09:29 PM
Do I really have to answer this for you?

Nope. just keep talking out your *** lol

LosIsATool
12-28-2014, 09:32 PM
Nope. just keep talking out your *** lol

What do you think the thermal capacity of a 2.5 inch coil is? You do understand where rms comes from and how they get it? You do understand a burp is NOTHINGlike playing music?

Boomin_tahoe
12-28-2014, 09:36 PM
What do you think the thermal capacity of a 2.5 inch coil is? You do understand where rms comes from and how they get it? You do understand a burp is NOTHINGlike playing music?



yup old news, what else ya got?

And where's those pics at?

Guess he's all done with you massive...he's starting on me now Btw...how big are them coils on the sa 18? 3"?

LosIsATool
12-28-2014, 09:39 PM
Are they 3in? I thought it was the same motor bigger basket. I stand corrected. What pics do you want, all I still have is a vid from before it was wrapped with the DC still in it. Btw I love your box, explains everything why yall say tahoes can't get loud.

massivespl
12-28-2014, 09:45 PM
Are they 3in? I thought it was the same motor bigger basket. I stand corrected. What pics do you want, all I still have is a vid from before it was wrapped with the DC still in it. Btw I love your box, explains everything why yall say tahoes can't get loud.

The SA 18 has a totally different motor from 10,12,15

LosIsATool
12-28-2014, 09:48 PM
The SA 18 has a totally different motor from 10,12,15

My mistake. I seen him talking about them but never looked that far into it. I haven't looked at sundown since the v4 came out. That surround is dumb IMO

kmanian
12-28-2014, 09:48 PM
Bro ignore the haters. Is the score tops, nope. Is 153 loud, hell yea. We tend to take numbers as the end all be all. 153 is a big number regardless. Guys that put up 160+ are often very peaky. Do your thing and be proud of your ride as some of us look at more than numbers. Truth be told a lot of what has been said here is why car audio has declined, it has become a haters world.

Build for your taste. looks good to me

Boomin_tahoe
12-28-2014, 10:13 PM
My mistake. I seen him talking about them but never looked that far into it. I haven't looked at sundown since the v4 came out. That surround is dumb IMO

Yup. So dumb, they're selling like hotcakes.

HomeGrown
12-28-2014, 10:13 PM
It was prior to the wall ! I have heard both set ups . Now I want to see how the SA s treat him

LosIsATool
12-28-2014, 10:16 PM
Yup. So dumb, they're selling like hotcakes.

If it says sundown it will sell. Every newb that got a SA after kicker comps thinks they are the best ever. Good stuff but not necassary. You can get just as much throw out of a EROM surround.

brian84corvette
12-28-2014, 10:17 PM
yo dawg im intrestin in those sa18 testing results holla at cha boiii
um
here tho i guess cause caco is still broken for my computer cant view chit there...

massivespl
12-28-2014, 10:19 PM
If it says sundown it will sell. Every newb that got a SA after kicker comps thinks they are the best ever. Good stuff but not necassary. You can get just as much throw out of a EROM surround.

The surround isn't just for excursion lol

LosIsATool
12-28-2014, 10:21 PM
It's for linear throw. I know what it does and I know what it gives up to do it. I know you can get the same thing without giving up cone area with a EROM.

massivespl
12-28-2014, 10:35 PM
It's for linear throw. I know what it does and I know what it gives up to do it. I know you can get the same thing without giving up cone area with a EROM.

It also adds mass with it being thicker and bigger.. Jacob just didn't put that fat surround on for no reason haha it compliments the low end of the low distortion in the x and zv4. And for ppl like u he made the spl cone and surround. And I doesn't give up anything. The loss of like 7% cone area is made up by the 4" excursion.

Boomin_tahoe
12-28-2014, 10:37 PM
If it says sundown it will sell. Every newb that got a SA after kicker comps thinks they are the best ever. Good stuff but not necassary. You can get just as much throw out of a EROM surround.

If it has Kicker on it it will sell. If it was DD it'll sell....lots of nuthuggers. So what.

(if it wasn't for ground Zero Engineering, these subs today wouldn't have bigger surrounds.)

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It also adds mass with it being thicker and bigger.. Jacob just didn't put that fat surround on for no reason haha it compliments the low end of the low distortion in the x and zv4


More xmax, more spl: )

TheFiverMan
12-28-2014, 10:43 PM
Wasnt knocking you at all massive. Just letting others know saying its not possible. I want to see how those sa18s perform

adulbrich
12-28-2014, 10:52 PM
i mean i love talking shyte but im a firm believer NOW in the airspace rule
small air space - eazy to loud - large air space much harder to loud. theese guys saying window line box doing 160s off 5k with 2 12s are out of their minds - or maby they just are getting in acurate readings from a meter because ive got six 18s in a 4th that can barely float a sheet of paper with a front window open.. if i scored less than a 150 id be shocked - but if i managed to score higher than a 155 id pee my pants with exitment.
why
because the internal air space needs to become preasurized and when there is such a large amount of internal space ( cabbin gain yeah right - maby for that range of 8 hz in the peak zone ) smaller airspace wins every time. viechle flex also KILLS spl. wasted sub energy in flex. my floor is now floping up and down so badly my center consol boxes are literly jumping up and down.

Small cabin is easier to get loud, but you struggle to get low. There's a trade off, as far as I understand.

brian84corvette
12-28-2014, 11:18 PM
Small cabin is easier to get loud, but you struggle to get low. There's a trade off, as far as I understand.

this was my old piece of crap would choke you out at full tilt - it was so brutal to sit in it wasnt even funny.

to date ive never sat in anything more brutal than this - including my own build now in my burb. large air space is hard to exite.
http://i214.photobucket.com/albums/cc279/brian84corvette/PICT0004_edited-1.jpg (http://s214.photobucket.com/user/brian84corvette/media/PICT0004_edited-1.jpg.html)

LosIsATool
12-28-2014, 11:19 PM
It also adds mass with it being thicker and bigger.. Jacob just didn't put that fat surround on for no reason haha it compliments the low end of the low distortion in the x and zv4. And for ppl like u he made the spl cone and surround. And I doesn't give up anything. The loss of like 7% cone area is made up by the 4" excursion.

According to sundown it has 35mm one way at 70% BL. Z v.4 Series (http://www.sundownaudio.com/index.php/products/subwoofers/item/z-v-4-series.html)

The equivalent DD sub has 47mm at 50% BL. 9500 Series | DD Audio (http://www.ddaudio.com/products/mobile-audio/woofers/9500-series)

So BL aside they are about the same if the DD does not have it by a nut hair. add the SC option and that 50% BL turns into 70%

massivespl
12-28-2014, 11:21 PM
It was prior to the wall ! I have heard both set ups . Now I want to see how the SA s treat him

Are u ready to take my money yet?

LosIsATool
12-28-2014, 11:22 PM
When it comes to ear loud and meter loud its more about the car. The way the dash is shaped, window slopes, roof line. Seat positions, hell even the air vents.

brian84corvette
12-28-2014, 11:24 PM
When it comes to ear loud and meter loud its more about the car. The way the dash is shaped, window slopes, roof line. Seat positions, hell even the air vents.

its illegal in comp to have spray foam in your vents
lol
saw some post or vid a while ago dudes were tryina dig it all out to be legal score in comp.

adulbrich
12-28-2014, 11:48 PM
its illegal in comp to have spray foam in your vents
lol
saw some post or vid a while ago dudes were tryina dig it all out to be legal score in comp.

What if you took your vents out? Lol

brian84corvette
12-28-2014, 11:57 PM
What if you took your vents out? Lol

thad be even worse - theory in spl is to seal the car air tight. no air can escape - down a vent tube / out a preasure release hole in the floor or trunk or whatever. all holes get filled / taped / sealed up causing the effect of less loss in the cabbin when preasure happens from the sub - the most amount of spl is generated instead of wasting a tiny bit in losses from un sealed holes in the firewall / air vents / poor weatherstriping around doors bla bla the list goes on and on there are literly hundreds of tricks to try in all out spl competion burp type viechles that do actually gain tenths on the meter and every tiny little thing counts in a burp viechle - if your down with that then cool
but
in a daily ground pounder show off parking lot demo viechle this type of thing dont do crap. the range of bandwith is key to be able to play actual music instead of trying to burp out one loud tone.
dudes on here see numbers like 157 and dont associate that thats strictly a one tone burp score and probably tweaked as heck to get there.
a 157 on music is a drasticly diffrent animal and would require the bandwith of at least 27 to 45 for decaf type musics or 34 to 55 for normal musics
those spl burp cars literly are loud for a few hz with a peak hz that gives them that amazing score.

Boomin_tahoe
12-29-2014, 12:05 AM
Ok...enough with the sub comparisons. Its gettin old...

HomeGrown
12-29-2014, 04:46 AM
Almost. I have some stock cut just need to get out to the mill.
Are u ready to take my money yet?

Jeffdachef
12-29-2014, 09:49 PM
Small cabin is easier to get loud, but you struggle to get low. There's a trade off, as far as I understand.

not necessarily, I got hella low in my old corolla, it depends on how the car is designed and how well you've deadened it.

adulbrich
12-29-2014, 10:02 PM
not necessarily, I got hella low in my old corolla, it depends on how the car is designed and how well you've deadened it.

There are a couple more places I need to deaden. I've got the deadener sitting upstairs, just too lazy to get it done.
Isn't it best to apply deadener when it is warm, so it sticks?

massivespl
12-31-2014, 01:54 AM
According to sundown it has 35mm one way at 70% BL. Z v.4 Series (http://www.sundownaudio.com/index.php/products/subwoofers/item/z-v-4-series.html)

The equivalent DD sub has 47mm at 50% BL. 9500 Series | DD Audio (http://www.ddaudio.com/products/mobile-audio/woofers/9500-series)

So BL aside they are about the same if the DD does not have it by a nut hair. add the SC option and that 50% BL turns into 70%

According to Jacob at sundown, DD are liars and there subs can't move 47mm one way linear. So I call bullshlt... His quote was

They didn't claim it can ACTUALLY move that far -- after all a BL rating only means just that... motor + coil only.

They do claim 42.5mm one-way suspension travel... I feel like that is a bit exaggerated; would love to see the curves on it at that point if it did.
__________________
- Jacob Fuller
- Owner, Sundown Audio
- Co-Owner, Obsidian Audio
- Sundown Audio on FACEBOOK
- My PMS are disabled... email me -- [email protected]

LosIsATool
12-31-2014, 08:26 AM
According to Jacob at sundown, DD are liars and there subs can't move 47mm one way linear. So I call bullshlt... His quote was

They didn't claim it can ACTUALLY move that far -- after all a BL rating only means just that... motor + coil only.

They do claim 42.5mm one-way suspension travel... I feel like that is a bit exaggerated; would love to see the curves on it at that point if it did.
__________________
- Jacob Fuller
- Owner, Sundown Audio
- Co-Owner, Obsidian Audio
- Sundown Audio on FACEBOOK
- My PMS are disabled... email me -- [email protected]

Don't know what to tell you. They move like hell with zero distortion. Dig well below box tuning and get loud. I'm a bit of a nuthugger but they are not even close to my first big sub.

adulbrich
12-31-2014, 12:07 PM
Can't DD and Sundown exist peacefully? :(

gckless
12-31-2014, 12:09 PM
Can't DD and Sundown exist peacefully? :(

You must be new.

adulbrich
12-31-2014, 12:16 PM
You must be new.

I like to hug Sundown's left nut and DD's right.

I run both brands and have several products. Zero complaints for each company.

big scott
12-31-2014, 12:58 PM
I like to hug Sundown's left nut and DD's right.

I run both brands and have several products. Zero complaints for each company.

wow, what a statement... i ant huggin nobody's balls.
but you must like that .

adulbrich
12-31-2014, 01:04 PM
wow, what a statement... i ant huggin nobody's balls.
but you must like that .

Ok Soudqubed nuthugger.

Whatever you say

If someone dissed Soundqubed and said they were trash, you would def be butthurt..

big scott
12-31-2014, 01:13 PM
hell no i dont care.....

do i like sq sure but im in no way nut huggin then.

so get your facts strait .

adulbrich
12-31-2014, 01:15 PM
Alright man, keep boomin on a budget.

The facts have been straightened out

big scott
12-31-2014, 01:22 PM
did your mother ever tell you to be respectful to your elder??

kids.... your still wet behind your ears.... grow up......

and i will... at least i did not put a box in my dash,, looks like ****.

adulbrich
12-31-2014, 01:25 PM
You're a grown a$$ man.. you grow up, haha

Box is temporrary, I'm going to do a clean infinite baffle with my 9512's in a little bit

Boomin_tahoe
12-31-2014, 08:53 PM
lol wow. Bunch of kids in here, literally.

Lets **** on someone's build log.

adulbrich
01-01-2015, 11:52 AM
lol wow. Bunch of kids in here, literally.

Lets **** on someone's build log.

I wouldn't have beef with him if he didn't diss on my build log for no reason whatsoever.

Sorry to OP

Doug118
01-01-2015, 12:01 PM
Don't know what to tell you. They move like hell with zero distortion. Dig well below box tuning and get loud. I'm a bit of a nuthugger but they are not even close to my first big sub.




On this early rough prototype BL^2/RE came out at over 500 on our first mock up -- when I measured the IA Warden v.1 and DD Z 3" coil those were 305-328 range.

IA Warden Compared to DD-99Z : T/S Specs - Car Audio Classifieds (http://www.caraudioclassifieds.org/forum/general-car-audio-discussion-questions/128743-ia-warden-compared-dd-99z-t-s-specs.html)

The coil we used to mock it up is one we had from some old prototyping so it's not optimized either; and, naturally, BL depends on the coil :thumbsup:

Hhmmmm

massivespl
01-02-2015, 02:16 PM
I have the gaskets for the subs but I never use them because the screws never fit through them and it ***** peeling the gasket back for every screw so I just leave them off.
And I wanna go from 270" port to like 300-320 but it's to **** cold to do all that

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massivespl
01-02-2015, 02:17 PM
So got some more play time on these Sundowns and they play down into the 20s but they get stinky very very fast 29hz and under, like play 30 seconds on a song and smell coil bad, but I can play 30hz songs and up full tilt no stink.. Kinda weird cuz my crossfires could play down into the teens without gettin stinky. I guess these 600 watt woofer can't handle the lows like the big crossfires 4" monsters

gckless
01-02-2015, 02:40 PM
So got some more play time on these Sundowns and they play down into the 20s but they get stinky very very fast 29hz and under, like play 30 seconds on a song and smell coil bad, but I can play 30hz songs and up full tilt no stink.. Kinda weird cuz my crossfires could play down into the teens without gettin stinky. I guess these 600 watt woofer can't handle the lows like the big crossfires 4" monsters

So you have 2400W of rated handling and you're surprised they get stinky on an 8k? Or do you have two in there now?

I would definitely seal that off before changing the port.

massivespl
01-02-2015, 02:45 PM
It's just on 1 8k at 1ohm. After rise I ain't getting no where close to 8k... And I'm not gunna seal it off because I'm gunna rebuild this summer. Just gotta decide what I'm gunna do. 6 zv4 15s at cpillar on 2 8ks maybe. Idk maybe just get some more crossfire xs v2... I loved those subs.

dutchmaster
01-02-2015, 04:00 PM
why the hell would you even go from xs v2's too sa's ? lol

massivespl
01-02-2015, 04:46 PM
why the hell would you even go from xs v2's too sa's ? lol

I sold the crossfires ad gunna save up money for some new big subs. But while I'm saving I'm need some bump so I got some SA 18s... I just got some more play time on them and there getting louder. I'm gunna have to go meter one of these days

dutchmaster
01-02-2015, 05:06 PM
for the price the pure audio pa4x doesn't look bad at all. go for some shds

massivespl
01-02-2015, 05:56 PM
I'd never run tantric

adulbrich
01-02-2015, 06:02 PM
I'd never run tantric

Why not? Bad experience or not impressed by the performance to dollar?

massivespl
01-02-2015, 06:06 PM
All a see is horror story's with pictures. And I've heard acouple tantric setups and was impressed. Mostly what just happened to Hal,let me go get the thread I it didn't get deleted.

adulbrich
01-02-2015, 06:09 PM
Negolian's thread is the only bad thing I've seen. I wouldn't run them, just because there's other stuff out there I like

massivespl
01-02-2015, 06:11 PM
Car Audio Classifieds (http://www.caraudioclassifieds.org/forum/buyer-seller-trader-beware/176538-i-haz-new-subs-%7Bbeware-tantric%7D.html)
^link
First he order Cobalt woofers and got sent NEO. And they look beat to **** and they should be new. This is just the latest problem I seen. But I've seen many other problems

adulbrich
01-02-2015, 06:22 PM
Wow. Hopefully Tantric doesn't become the next Skar :uhoh:

dutchmaster
01-02-2015, 07:26 PM
call me stupid but what is cabolt? but **** I haven't really been up to date with them. guess i'm just going to stick to DD for now haha. was actually planning on running some tantrics seeing that there "low end beasts" but that definitely is shady business. especially. seeing how much he spent on a custom woofer, didn't get what he paid for along with it being sloppily thrown together

adulbrich
01-02-2015, 07:41 PM
I think he meant cobalt..