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mikebik
05-04-2014, 10:24 PM
I'm looking to do some comp and wanted to know where i would stand as far as everyone else.... i can't find info anywhere
my set-up is this(NO BIG 3)
amp: pioneer GM-D8601 also have a gm-9601 sitting around and Kenwood KAC-1502S for speakers
Subs: 2 DD audio 510b i think it's at 1 ohm. in ported... tuned to 40hz amp min i also have a type r 10d4 just sitting around in a ported box and some kind of sony explodes in a bypass huge *** box...
Head- kenwood KDC-X997- looking to get a app radio 3 soon
looking to see what i should improve other then get the big 3 done... i do have a second battery with a iso if i want to put it in.

mylows10
05-04-2014, 10:31 PM
Depends on what org you go into. But by the looks of your system not well

mikebik
05-04-2014, 10:49 PM
funny thing is i was looking at getting the avh x5500 also lol... i also use stinger wires. thanks for the input. i don't see why i would not do well i have a amp that does the same as guys pushing 150db+ i may also get a pwk design...

CRXBMPN
05-04-2014, 11:01 PM
Team North East SPL - Home Page (http://teamnortheastspl.com/)

or

www.newenglandspl.com/‎


TNESPL does alot up by your area

NESPL is more, well, New England

winkychevelle
05-04-2014, 11:08 PM
Dude your amp doesnt do the same as what most 150db guys run. Most guys hitting 150db or higher have 2500+ watts, a custom box, alot bigger subs, and alot more electrical.

Now this is for a termlab reading, audio control and ac meters arent accurate at all and read high.

You system is prolly breaking 130db right now if youre lucky.

mylows10
05-04-2014, 11:09 PM
funny thing is i was looking at getting the avh x5500 also lol... i also use stinger wires. thanks for the input. i don't see why i would not do well i have a amp that does the same as guys pushing 150db+ i may also get a pwk design...

800 watts rms at 150+ db must be some magical 100% efficient amp :awesome:

winkychevelle
05-04-2014, 11:10 PM
800 watts rms at 150+ db must be some magical 100% efficient amp :awesome:

More like 3 or 400% efficient

CRXBMPN
05-04-2014, 11:11 PM
Go to a TNESPL show, get metered at the dash, report back. Run just the DD subs, and whatever amp you don't blow up by the time the show is... over/under of 137?? I'll go under.

bgowdy31
05-04-2014, 11:16 PM
funny thing is i was looking at getting the avh x5500 also lol... i also use stinger wires. thanks for the input. i don't see why i would not do well i have a amp that does the same as guys pushing 150db+ i may also get a pwk design...

theres more to it then just that or the big 3. Your "enclosure" makes you system. Im not going to make suggestions due to your reply your reply to mylows10;. getting in to comps is easy, HOWEVER becoming competitive is not. No im not bashing your setup, i just know from EXP, because ive been there and done it(as in thought my system would be competitive but i was terribly wrong)....

hispls
05-04-2014, 11:18 PM
funny thing is i was looking at getting the avh x5500 also lol... i also use stinger wires. thanks for the input. i don't see why i would not do well i have a amp that does the same as guys pushing 150db+ i may also get a pwk design...

LOL. You'd need to be driving an armored car to get a 150 out of the equipment you listed.

AFAIK Team Northeast SPL still does shows in upstate NY.

I'd guess you're a long way off from 140 and you'd better have some money if you want to be competitive even in that org.

bgowdy31
05-04-2014, 11:19 PM
Go to a TNESPL show, get metered at the dash, report back. Run just the DD subs, and whatever amp you don't blow up by the time the show is... over/under of 137?? I'll go under.

im gonna say 134 if OP is lucky and lightning hit his amp right as he burped it. im not being mean either, im just being blunt

hispls
05-04-2014, 11:21 PM
800 watts rms at 150+ db must be some magical 100% efficient amp :awesome:

Bearing in mind the world record holders who put up 180+ can probably do a 155 on head unit power.

mikebik
05-04-2014, 11:21 PM
lol i'm going to be putting both amps in when i do the big 3 done and i'm also going to be getting more sub's so it's more than 800 watts rms

mikebik
05-04-2014, 11:24 PM
my sub box is built to spec's but may get some more subs built in a pwk design enclosure

hispls
05-04-2014, 11:24 PM
lol i'm going to be putting both amps in when i do the big 3 done and i'm also going to be getting more sub's so it's more than 800 watts rms

Please, for the love of God, DO NOT purchase any new equipment until you have gone to a show, got metered and actually seen what loud is and what it takes to get there, then you can decide if you're willing to invest the money and effort to compete seriously or if you just want to show up and hang out.

bgowdy31
05-04-2014, 11:25 PM
Bearing in mind the world record holders who put up 180+ can probably do a 155 on head unit power.

........****

mikebik
05-04-2014, 11:25 PM
Team North East SPL - Home Page (http://teamnortheastspl.com/)

or

www.newenglandspl.com/‎



TNESPL does alot up by your area

NESPL is more, well, New England

thanks for the info... they do mostly in western ny by the looks. but ill go try it out

bgowdy31
05-04-2014, 11:26 PM
Please, for the love of God, DO NOT purchase any new equipment until you have gone to a show, got metered and actually seen what loud is and what it takes to get there, then you can decide if you're willing to invest the money and effort to compete seriously or if you just want to show up and hang out.

^^^Nailed it.....

mylows10
05-04-2014, 11:26 PM
lol i'm going to be putting both amps in when i do the big 3 done and i'm also going to be getting more sub's so it's more than 800 watts rms

One amp you posted is 1600 max. That means squat actually you just can't build a box and thro some nice subs in it with 1000 watts rms and get 150 db. There's much more than that to get there and yes you'll need a good amount if cash

1.21 jiggawatts
05-04-2014, 11:26 PM
Team North East SPL - Home Page (http://www.teamnortheastspl.com) READ the rules for the classes I recommend the rookie classes. and the bass brawling is good for lower level systems.

CRXBMPN
05-04-2014, 11:28 PM
Do you have a Fiat Panda or CRX or some sort of unicorn vehicle that magically makes SPL out of exhaust fumes? Give us some details, unless are you are Trollolloll'ing us along

mikebik
05-04-2014, 11:28 PM
Please, for the love of God, DO NOT purchase any new equipment until you have gone to a show, got metered and actually seen what loud is and what it takes to get there, then you can decide if you're willing to invest the money and effort to compete seriously or if you just want to show up and hang out.
LOL the only thing new i would buy would be subs... and they did not cost me much

mylows10
05-04-2014, 11:30 PM
Please, for the love of God, DO NOT purchase any new equipment until you have gone to a show, got metered and actually seen what loud is and what it takes to get there, then you can decide if you're willing to invest the money and effort to compete seriously or if you just want to show up and hang out.

For once we are in agreement

mikebik
05-04-2014, 11:34 PM
Do you have a Fiat Panda or CRX or some sort of unicorn vehicle that magically makes SPL out of exhaust fumes? Give us some details, unless are you are Trollolloll'ing us along
LOL 07 chevy Impala... i would rather have some insight and you guys telling me then to go and be like ****...

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Team North East SPL - Home Page (http://www.teamnortheastspl.com) READ the rules for the classes I recommend the rookie classes. and the bass brawling is good for lower level systems.
is this a joke?!? 1. Seth Goldberg, Jamesville, NY - $8120

mylows10
05-04-2014, 11:37 PM
Like said go to a few shows. See what it's like and what the systems consist of then we can recommend equipment for you

CRXBMPN
05-04-2014, 11:39 PM
look on youtube for vehicles like yours at shows and see what #'s they do.

1.21 jiggawatts
05-04-2014, 11:41 PM
LOL 07 chevy Impala... i would rather have some insight and you guys telling me then to go and be like ****...

---------- Post added at 10:34 PM ---------- Previous post was at 10:33 PM ----------


is this a joke?!? 1. Seth Goldberg, Jamesville, NY - $8120 no its not a joke I know what happened but I wont air any on line. don't worry bout being dumped on at the shows,, for the most part the guys are cool just don't show up thinking your hot **** and then get stomped lol. come to a few shows and start asking questions

1.21 jiggawatts
05-04-2014, 11:43 PM
theres a few sub 2k 150 cars in tnespl

roko
05-04-2014, 11:53 PM
I would love to test my system lol
I don't even think I would do over 130 lmao
And I have a Fi audio q 15 in custom box tuned 34 I think lol
Soundstream ta1.2000.d
Run of 0 big 3
It's good to get this as a hobbie man when doing comps u gotta put money in a lot there's so much u have to do b4 u see numbers around 150!!!!!!
By that being said GOOD LUCK WITH YOUR JOURNEY!!!

CRXBMPN
05-05-2014, 12:39 AM
I'm literally sitting at a 149.9 with my two 10's, an SPL oriented car, one large amp, one large expensive extra battery, and an expensive metering system (TermLab).... just like anything, if you want to play, you gotta pay.

hispls
05-05-2014, 12:47 AM
........****

Make 2 columns with the power they're running next to their best #. half the power on one side and -3 from the dB side. Then consider that after a point on the high side they're probably not gaining anywhere near 3dB for doubling power and you'll get an idea of how efficient and loss-free your design must be to get those numbers!



theres a few sub 2k 150 cars in tnespl

Can't recall ever seeing one myself. Do you know who and what vehicle?

F*** TNE anyway, they can't even show up to shows outside NY anymore.

Nutdawg651
05-05-2014, 01:10 AM
I'm looking to do some comp and wanted to know where i would stand as far as everyone else.... i can't find info anywhere
my set-up is this(NO BIG 3)
amp: pioneer GM-D8601 also have a gm-9601 sitting around and Kenwood KAC-1502S for speakers
Subs: 2 DD audio 510b i think it's at 1 ohm. in ported... tuned to 40hz amp min i also have a type r 10d4 just sitting around in a ported box and some kind of sony explodes in a bypass huge *** box...
Head- kenwood KDC-X997- looking to get a app radio 3 soon
looking to see what i should improve other then get the big 3 done... i do have a second battery with a iso if i want to put it in.

150s with a pioneer GM-D8601 ****!! im doin somethin wrong

Nutdawg651
05-05-2014, 01:15 AM
my sub box is built to spec's but may get some more subs built in a pwk design enclosure

i dont think you realize a pwk enclosure is 600+

1.21 jiggawatts
05-05-2014, 02:06 AM
mikebik do you build your own boxes or have some one do it? spl is all about testing so if you can build your own its gonna save a lot. finding some one with a meter that lives close by would be good to.

mylows10
05-05-2014, 02:45 AM
A 150+ can be done with 2000. My buddy actually is us champ for 2013 in db drag did it on 1800 rms look it up. Team ssc Dan on termpro world finals 2013

1.21 jiggawatts
05-05-2014, 02:50 AM
I was doing a 150.2 on 1800 last year

mylows10
05-05-2014, 02:52 AM
I was doing a 150.2 on 1800 last year

Db drag sealed ?

1.21 jiggawatts
05-05-2014, 02:54 AM
yes its the way tnespl meters also

mylows10
05-05-2014, 02:57 AM
yes its the way tnespl meters also

Very nice. Dans crx was 150.7 I believe at 1868 watts rms. we did get a 151.3 out of it tho in testing. He just didn't want to go over the 2000 rms mark at finals

1.21 jiggawatts
05-05-2014, 03:01 AM
thanks,mine was cone area lol,, 2 18's in 8 cube tuned at 30Hz on 2 Memphis st1000d's in a festiva

mylows10
05-05-2014, 03:15 AM
thanks,mine was cone area lol,, 2 18's in 8 cube tuned at 30Hz on 2 Memphis st1000d's in a festiva

His is 3. 10 ascendant chaos. On 2 shok 1k amps

1.21 jiggawatts
05-05-2014, 03:35 AM
my goal is to some day get a 150 on 2 Memphis pr 12's on 1k so far best ive got them was 148.3.

mikebik
05-05-2014, 07:40 AM
mikebik do you build your own boxes or have some one do it? spl is all about testing so if you can build your own its gonna save a lot. finding some one with a meter that lives close by would be good to.
no i do not have the time to build them.i do know that it would be a lot cheaper if i did. i would love to build a fiberglass box but i don't have the time to.

k3n12ock
05-05-2014, 11:09 AM
https://www.facebook.com/events/1409396622665501/?ref_dashboard_filter=upcoming

See you there.

hispls
05-05-2014, 11:43 AM
A 150+ can be done with 2000. My buddy actually is us champ for 2013 in db drag did it on 1800 rms look it up. Team ssc Dan on termpro world finals 2013


I think the lesson here is that to do this you pretty much need an SPL friendly vehicle (or a really good wall) AND you'll be winning dB Drag world finals if you can pull it off.

Also I have a sneaky suspicion that that number comes at the expense of any bandwidth outside of the one peak frequency. I'll further wager than OP thinks he's going to have a daily driver that he can roll up to the lanes and see those numbers.


OP. Let me repeat. DO NOT spend any more money on this until you go to some shows and actually see what loud is like.

mylows10
05-05-2014, 11:55 AM
I think the lesson here is that to do this you pretty much need an SPL friendly vehicle (or a really good wall) AND you'll be winning dB Drag world finals if you can pull it off.

Also I have a sneaky suspicion that that number comes at the expense of any bandwidth outside of the one peak frequency. I'll further wager than OP thinks he's going to have a daily driver that he can roll up to the lanes and see those numbers.


OP. Let me repeat. DO NOT spend any more money on this until you go to some shows and actually see what loud is like.

You are correct. It didn't play music very well. But still could barely it's not as easy as you think op. This build took 3 different kinds of subs and 4 different boxes before we got the score he wanted. Lesson here. Have cash ! Lots of it op

CRXBMPN
05-05-2014, 12:01 PM
here you go, there is a show in NY in two weeks

http://www.caraudio.com/forums/northeast-region/603515-booming-bass-4-rome-ny.html

bland
05-05-2014, 12:20 PM
I'm doing just over 50's in a trunk car at 2k, but also have about 5 years experience.

Popwarhomie
05-05-2014, 12:57 PM
I say 125db.

hispls
05-05-2014, 01:20 PM
What 2K are you running? You have some very impressive scores over the years.

bland
05-05-2014, 01:42 PM
Single dc2k. Managed a 150.3 on exactly 2k clamped and a single battery under the hood. My wiring is not setup for a single battery.

mikebik
05-05-2014, 07:40 PM
Single dc2k. Managed a 150.3 on exactly 2k clamped and a single battery under the hood. My wiring is not setup for a single battery.

whats the sub you have?

bland
05-05-2014, 08:12 PM
pair of audioque 12's.

CRXBMPN
05-05-2014, 08:14 PM
and vehicle?
nice score :)

dbjunior
05-05-2014, 08:50 PM
I have been competing for 6 years and have yet to see a 150 but I don't build one note wonder boxes all are daily drivers. I have done a 140 with a single 8 out of a trunk with a 300w amp but that was pure luck. Similar designed box with a 12 and 1500w only did a 144 but sounded worlds louder. Point is it takes a lot to get loud and way more than you think to get louder.

bland
05-06-2014, 09:45 AM
91 civic sedan.

To the op. Come on out to the show in Rome and come say hi. I'm the judge for the day and will have a green vest on. I'll be pretty busy so won't have much time to chat, but there will be lots of other people there willing to help and get you started on the right path if your looking to compete. There are classes for beginners all the way up to the pro's so there's a very good chance you'll walk away with a trophy your first time out. Even if you don't talk to anyone, you'll still learn a ton just looking at peoples cars and seeing them in the lanes.

n8skow
05-06-2014, 11:03 AM
Teammate of mine has a 2011 Impala that competes in MWSPL. We built several boxes for it over the past 2 seasons of competiting - and finally found a setup that breaks 150 on 2k (clamped) - keep in mind this is door open - mic on the dash (not sure how the organizations in your area meter).

Pair of beefy 15's, about a 5 cube box with a medium size slot port - all firing forward (not sealed off yet). Peaks at 51hz - not the most musical, but kinda a compromise for him between music and SPL. I'd agree with what's already been suggested - go to a show or two and see what your up against and what their using to get there (equipment and vehicle wise). Have fun - and chalk it up as a learning experience.

psych0ticnemes1
05-06-2014, 11:27 AM
TNESPL would be competitive in other orgs but most don't feel like driving all around the country.

OP, it's a great way to learn and there are a lot of competitions. Though, if you don't like driving a few hours you're wasting your time. Beware though, you're not going to simply show up and win. That's a big mistake a lot of people make. Come to support the hobby and learn and eventually, your score will go up.

If you go to the Rome show, I'll see you there.

SQUIRRELMASTER
05-06-2014, 01:19 PM
I done a 151.2 with my current set-up in signature this past weekend. System is in a larger suv, but same set-up with the Kicker zx2500.1 did 153.+ in a Jeep Grand Cherokee. Sounds just as loud but obviously not. The meter was a Audio Control SPL meter, so not sure how accurate my reading was...

SQUIRRELMASTER
05-06-2014, 01:21 PM
^^^ meter at windshield. Burp I guess, didn't play whole songs, just tones...

1.21 jiggawatts
05-06-2014, 01:37 PM
the AC meter can be anywhere from a few tenths off to 7 or so DB off. gonna have to find a term lab and see

SQUIRRELMASTER
05-06-2014, 01:42 PM
^^^ Yea, I've been told before my system shouldn't be hitting that high on a legit meter, but I don't mind much either way. Not a serious spl guy. I just like loud musiq. What's funny is, the other guys like myself who don't take it serious, agree it has to be 150ish. I mean, you can barely smoke a cigarette when the bass is hitting, if it all. The guys who do take it serious always say no way! Meter was off! But I'm almost positive they say this because of mediocre subs/set up, instead of truly listening and feeling the system

n8skow
05-07-2014, 10:40 AM
Depends on if this was the old LED 'box' with the shotgun mic or the newer sensor they've recently discontinued.
The sensor reads pretty tight with TermLab - but yah, the old LED box is all over the place.

Eight 10" woofers in an SUV though, 150+ definitely doable.


the AC meter can be anywhere from a few tenths off to 7 or so DB off. gonna have to find a term lab and see

hispls
05-07-2014, 11:47 AM
I have been competing for 6 years and have yet to see a 150 but I don't build one note wonder boxes all are daily drivers. I have done a 140 with a single 8 out of a trunk with a 300w amp but that was pure luck. Similar designed box with a 12 and 1500w only did a 144 but sounded worlds louder. Point is it takes a lot to get loud and way more than you think to get louder.

Speaking of getting loud, more of those nice spiders ARE being made and I'll have 2 for you whenever we can get to the same show. They're going to be 30 each though. Still a coupon price compared to similar options or the hassle of trying to stack 5 of something else to get as stiff.


^^^ Yea, I've been told before my system shouldn't be hitting that high on a legit meter, but I don't mind much either way. Not a serious spl guy. I just like loud musiq. What's funny is, the other guys like myself who don't take it serious, agree it has to be 150ish. I mean, you can barely smoke a cigarette when the bass is hitting, if it all. The guys who do take it serious always say no way! Meter was off! But I'm almost positive they say this because of mediocre subs/set up, instead of truly listening and feeling the system

It is nearly impossible that your setup is doing 150. Now if you said you've been testing and tweaking your box for months I might believe it, but there's virtually no way you got there with that equipment first try. People who go to a lot of competitions are telling you no way because they know from experience how hard it is to actually get loud and what loud is really like.

psych0ticnemes1
05-07-2014, 11:52 AM
It is nearly impossible that your setup is doing 150. Now if you said you've been testing and tweaking your box for months I might believe it, but there's virtually no way you got there with that equipment first try. People who go to a lot of competitions are telling you no way because they know from experience how hard it is to actually get loud and what loud is really like.

He speaks the truth. Most won't admit it, but sometimes it takes dumb luck as well. I've jumped 6 dbs with just a drastic box change. I also gain .5 a db with my passenger side visor down... All vehicles are different, it isn't just the equipment you plop in them.

I'm trying not to be discouraging because we've all been there, but it's reality.

TheManGold
11-09-2014, 07:38 PM
Please, for the love of God, DO NOT purchase any new equipment until you have gone to a show, got metered and actually seen what loud is and what it takes to get there, then you can decide if you're willing to invest the money and effort to compete seriously or if you just want to show up and hang out.

Yep. It's serious money to compete with the big boys as I found in SQ. Was a cakewalk in novice class until I went Florida just to cry as I found out that I was only "street-level" champion, go to a show and you'll see a civic breaking 160+dB... with a WALL of 15's, 12 tweeters, and 12 midrange in the doors.