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raneow
05-29-2004, 02:32 PM
Hi guys! I have a 2003 Ford Focus which I am going to get new speakers for. It currently has 5x7/6x8s, and I want a coaxial system of the same size for a simple installation. I am not going to be using an amp, but I never blast the speakers, so that's not a huge deal. I mainly listen to rock, and I don't care much about bass, just clarity. I don't want to spend anything over $150 a pair, but lower priced speaker recommendations are encouraged.

I've looked into many brands, starting with Pioneer. I've gotten very mixed reviews about them. Then I looked into Infinity, which gets good reviews most of the time. Question 1: If I were to get Infinits, should I get Kappas or Reference?

Later, someone recommended looking into some more expensive brands, such as Boston Acoustics and JL. I really liked there offerings, but not the price. Question 2: Are these expensive speakers worth it?

And then I found out about Alpine, which I also like very much, but don't know much about. They are also kind of expensive too.

As you can see, I'm very mixed up by this world of car audio, and I really just want to hear from you guys what you think the best speaker is for me. Thanks a lot in advance.

brandont
05-29-2004, 08:22 PM
Any brands mentioned are good. If you're not using an amp, look towards the lower lines of each brand. Any speaker should have a good amp, but the headunit amp is usually okay for lower lines of speakers. Are you going aftermarket on the headunit? I'm asking because when I sold car audio and people replaced their speakers, they usually didn't sound any better than stock. Aftermarket speakers are usually not as effecient as the stock ones. This is why most people who change out speakers go with aftermarket headunits later on.

TwistedVisions
05-29-2004, 10:20 PM
I would go with the after market head unit first then buy the aftermarket speakers. I can speak from experiance on that because i bought new door speakers and rear speakers and they sounded terrible even worse then my stock speakers. So i had to listen to my hard earned 300 dollar speakers distort until i had money for an alpine head unit. Even still if i turn my volume up to loud they tend to distort(still not enough power) So i would look into spending at least 250 on a good head unit and make sure it has 3 pre outs and 4 volt atleast. Then far as brands go i can only speak for the polk db series and the infinity reference which both i think were worth the money. I have heard the alpine type S and they sounded really clear but less watts. For 150 dollars a pair I would look into Mb quartz i haven't heard them but i have done research on this forum and they only get good reviews and there in your price range. Boston accoustics are probally your most expensive and your going to be paying 300 for a set but are suppose to be top of the line. I would start out by going to circuit city and best buy to hear the lower end speakers for your car and if your not happy with the quality then check out www.mbquart.com and see if there is a dealer near you. Most likely a car radio shop will have both alpine and JL audio speakers in the same store,thats how it is at kens car tunes by my house atleast. Also goto www.crutchfield.com and goto "what will fit my car" then it will bring up all the speakers that will fit your car and prices. I just went there and it said you had 6x8's and 5.25 but then again i looked under just the 2003 focus sedan there was more than one model. Wish i could be more help on different brands but this should get your started,its really comes down to what you think sounds good thats why we have so many choices :)

raneow
05-29-2004, 11:25 PM
Thanks guys.

About the head unit: I am using the factory one, but in a way, it is better than others. It is made by Blaupunkt (and Ford) and seems to be much better than your average factory head unit. But I haven't been able to find any stats for it to prove that.

Your posts above lead to me a different question: At low volume, in which head unit power delivery isn't an issue, do more expensive speakers (within a brand) sound better than they're lower-priced equivalents?

trungthiendo
05-29-2004, 11:43 PM
even though blaupunkt made the headunit, they made it for the focus sound system i think...and it still is stock head unit...

the first thing you should do is get a a new head unit that would be the first thing i would do

raneow
05-30-2004, 12:12 AM
See, the problem is, I really don't want a new head unit. I love mine, it looks cool, and I really don't want to spend the money for a new one.

TwistedVisions
05-30-2004, 12:51 AM
Well i went ahead and did some research on that blaupunkt that they put in the ford focus. It has a mp3 player which is nice and it puts out 80 watts peak which actually is only 40 watts rms if that for 4 channels. Which means your getting only 10 watts of rms per channel but i can't find exactly how many volts its putting out which is important on how good the quality is. Its up to wheather or not you get a new head unit i mean you could always buy the speakers first and if the quality is good enough with your stock cd player then your set(Although if you turn your volume up to loud your speakers will distort).Far as being able to tell the difference between the more expensive and lower end speakers with your factory head unit,the answer is no(only because either way you will be underpowering them actually i would think the more you underpower the speaker the worse it will sound but i dont' know for sure). Although i would keep in mind if you buy cheap speakers and your stock head unit doesn't give them enough power they will sound bad then your stuck with cheap speakers unless you get them at a stereo shop that will let you trade them in for better ones. Im curious to know how come you don't plan on getting an amp?

tbrikner
05-30-2004, 03:29 AM
I put 5x7 Eclipse speakers in my daughters 2000 Focus running off an aftermarket Pioneer deck. They are the lower SE line and are very efficient. They sound good with the stock rear speakers which seem to have a good amount of bass for factory speakers and are not too low in the doors. I believe you can still find them on Ebay for around $55-$65.

supa_c
05-30-2004, 03:34 AM
Blaupunkt is very good qulity, my bottom of the like H/U pumps out 22w per channel RMS. it cost $116. thats a bargain. top of the line clarion is like 17wRMS.

raneow
05-30-2004, 04:22 AM
ones. Im curious to know how come you don't plan on getting an amp?

A few reasons: I'm trying to keep costs down, I don't turn anything up to high volumes, and I didn't think I needed one.

As you can see in the pciture below, it would be quite difficult to install a new head unit due to the curved structure of the dash.

EDIT: Just had another thought: Would it make sense to just buy front speakers? That way, I could save money. I have heard that the stock ones actually have pretty good bass for rear fill.

http://img47.photobucket.com/albums/v144/madballer289/17ddc5a4.jpg

KTniel
05-30-2004, 06:31 AM
hi..
u used jL speacker right...into ur car ford focus...in my country Brunei..one of the person used same car..but the sound is so clear..if u use the kicker speaker RS6..that all for ur upgrade ur sound..


ok bye...c ya...

TwistedVisions
05-30-2004, 11:16 AM
I understand about keeeping the cost down i really hate budgets myself :(. You could buy just front speakers which would be your highs(for clarity) and your 6x8's are really there for bass its a good idea to have good 6x8's if you don't plan on getting a sub and like some kind of bass. Have you went to crutchfield and found out wheather you have 5x7's or actually 5 1/4's ?? The bigger the speaker the more its going to cost you but then again if your only buying front speakers you can get a good set for 150. I just remebered last night that circuit city sells those blaupunkt cd players so you can go up there and push the button to listen to that cd player and play different 5x7's and see if you like the quality. Hopefully they have those cd players there because its not on circuit citys webpage but it was in our local store here. If for some reason circuit city there in LA don't carry it you can go here http://www.blaupunktusa.com/BlaupunktUSA/ConsumerWarning/Dealer%20Zone.htm Then just type in your zip to find a dealer near you. The reason i say you should listen to your speakers from a blaupunkt cd player is because if you can find close to the same model thats how it is going to sound in your car(Maybe not as good because they have amps hooked up to them). Good luck.

raneow
05-30-2004, 02:27 PM
Thanks. That's a good idea. And I'm positive that my car has 6x8s all the way around (like all Fords). For some reason, 5x7s also fit fine.

EDIT: Today I listened to Pioneers and Infinitis at Circuit City. The Infinitis sounded much better, so at least I have narrowed down one brand.

raneow
06-01-2004, 07:06 PM
It's clear that I don't want to spend a lot of money. So I was thinking I could get only the front speakers, and get really nice ones. Obviously, I only sit in the front of my own car, so it sounds like a feasible idea. Would have the old crappy speakers in the rear bring down the overall quality in anyway? Do you think its a good idea to get just front speakers? Thanks.

TwistedVisions
06-01-2004, 07:48 PM
Most people don't think its wise to spend money on good 6x9's if you plan on getting a sub. The reason being is because its just pointless i mean your sub can play the lows and the 6x9s are just to enjoy some bass until you save up more money(for your sub). It doesn't sound like a great idea to spend 300 on really nice front speakers that will need 125 watts rms a piece(which you can't give them off your hu) and have your stock speakers in the back. If i were in your situation I would goto either circuit city or best buy and look for there deals they run which they run alot which is buy one set of speakers(your 5x7's) then get the second pair for half off(6x8's) and save your money. Don't waste money on really nice speakers that you will underpower and won't sound good :)

raneow
06-01-2004, 09:27 PM
Twisted, I think you may have misread my previous post. I never said anything about 6x9s, getting a sub (which I never will), or buying $300 speakers. In fact, I refuse to spend over $150 per pair. I have decided to only buy front speakers. That isn't going to change.

So, my last and final question is: What are the best 5x7/6x8 speakers I can get within my price range?

TwistedVisions
06-02-2004, 09:20 AM
Sorry about that i meant to put "6x8's" which doesn't changet the fact that there your rear speakers even though its 1 inch difference. Also i know you are not getting a sub i simply pointed out a reason why people in general(not you) would get rear speakers.When you said "150 dollars a pair" i thought that meant one pair for the front and one pair for the back or combine the money for 300 and just get the fronts,thats my mistake :(. Anyways to the question at hand i still think that you should do what i said in my previous post and just goto circuit city and check for that sale. Far as which brand to get,well everyone is different in there opinions on which ones sound the best. I would personally go with the alpine type S they have there i would have got them but there brand new as of 2 weeks. I hope this clears up all your questions and sorry about the misunderstanding

raneow
06-02-2004, 06:24 PM
Thanks Twisted. I apoligize if I came off a little rude. You've been extremely helpful.

The main problem is: Circuit City only carries one speaker that I would even think of getting, Infiiny Reference. So I am planning to buy online.

TwistedVisions
06-02-2004, 07:20 PM
I understand your feelings towards circuit city,the main reason i went there is because there the only place that has a "peformance warrenty" which means if you blow your speaker or anything happens to it they replace at no charge to you. Even if you blow it by giving it to much power and its your fault they replace it(no i don't work for circuit city heh) i just found that a great deal i mean i spent 20 dollars on a warrenty for 2 years. Just because you buy speakers that you can't run enough watts to doesn't mean you can't do damage to your speaker and blow them. I just learned that about a week ago i forget the users name on here but he sited me a link(I will have to look for it) basically just saying if you turn your volume up to loud and your hear clipping or distorting then its damaging the voice coils.(not that you should have that problem if you stick to not turning your volume up). Now i went ahead and looked around for 5x7's and the only online dealer that i have only heard good things about and honest about having all the dealers warrenty's is "www.thezeb.com" so i did a search for the 5x7's you need here it is. http://www.thezeb.com/SearchResult.aspx?CategoryID=15
the only one that i can honestly tell you is good quality is the kicker because my friend jon in okc was obessed with kicker and all his speakers were kicker and i thought sounded really good(some may disagree but like i said everyone is different). Keep in mind if you buy online this is the part where it might change your mind to buy online.. If you buy lets say the "5x7's by kicker" you only have a 90 day warrenty if something is defective if you install it yourself. Now saying kicker is very popular you should have a dealer near you which i would have them install the speakers and get a full warrenty on them,visit there website at www.kicker.com. Thats just an example but whatever brand you go with will be the same way far as having the authorized dealer of that brand install it to get a decent warrenty. Saying those kicker speakers are only 100 dollars i would assume the install would be 35 and an additional 20 for the warrenty. I know that is a little out of your budget but whats 25 dollars right? :) If you have any more questions feel free to ask and to learn about the "thezeb" simply goto the general disc. and goto "company list" they talk about good/bad online car audio company's which i found very helpful.

raneow
06-02-2004, 08:56 PM
I would be extremely happy to purchase from Circuit City, but as I said, they only had 3 5x7/6x8 speakers, and one was a Sony. So my options would be exceptionally limited.

Another thing is that I don't want to pay for installation. Accesing the speaker in my car is relatively easy, and I've installed speakers before with the help of my tech-savvy friend.

EDIT: I want to make a choice soon, so I'll have a "poll." Which one of the following would you pick, basing primarily on SQ and secondarily on price.

Infinity Kappa 572.5CF (http://www.infinitysystems.com/caraudio/product.aspx?ProdId='KAPPA572.5CF'&Ser=KAP&Cat=MEL)
JL TR570-CXi (http://www.jlaudio.com/evolution/TR570CX.html)
Boston Acoustics NX 87 (http://www.bostonacoustics.com/ca_product.asp?ProductID=231&CategoryID=14)
Boston Acoustics FX8 (http://www.bostonacoustics.com/ca_product.asp?ProductID=81&CategoryID=14)
MB Quart Discus DKE 168 (http://www.mbquart.com/2003/en_US/products/prod_detail.asp?isArchive=&cat=auto&series=discus%20series&strt=1&model=DKE+168)

TwistedVisions
06-02-2004, 09:41 PM
Well i haven't heard those speakers so i can only go by what people on this forum said about them which in my opinion goes just as far(If multiple people say the same things about the speaker). Far as infinity kappa i read on here(It would take alot of time to do a search for each one but i will go just off my memory). They are good speakers but to some the tweeters are to harsh. Boston accoustics are the best out of that list but i cant' say for the different brands i can just speak for in general. For the mb quartz i have heard nothing but good reviews. So that leaves you with 2 brands that got good reviews on this site. For your price range i would go with that boston accoustics the cheaper one which is in your budget. If you got time you can always search on the forums to find out more about boston accoustics but since i have been a member(which might not be long but i goto this forum multiple times a day) i have heard only good things.

TwistedVisions
06-02-2004, 09:48 PM
Whats your thoughts on ebay? I found them on ebay from a power seller with a 99.8 which is really good on ebay for 75 dollars and he says there brand new. I haven't used ebay before but thats not to say i wouldn't look into it if it saved me alot of money and the person was dependable. Here is the link http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=14940&item=5702202619
Just in case you dont' like ebay i will search around for a trustworthy retailer,but thats a great deal.

sorry for the double post

BIG_SUPERMAN72
06-02-2004, 09:56 PM
Ive never heard Boston Acoustic speakers but if you want them go for it man. Check Ikesound make sure they dont have em cheaper if they carry that brand. Other than that goooo foooor iittt.

raneow
06-02-2004, 10:49 PM
Thanks guys. Boston Acoustics it is. I have also heard only great things about them.

It's funny you mentioned ebay. That's actually how I was planning to buy my speakers, because the prices are just too low to avoid. It's somewhat of a scam, since the shipping is $20, but it's still cheaper than a store. Maybe even the good Boston Acoustics are cheap enough there (NX 87).

raneow
06-03-2004, 09:37 PM
Alright. One last question. Which Boston Acoustics speaker should I get? The cheaper FX8 (http://www.bostonacoustics.com/ca_product.asp?ProductID=81&CategoryID=14) or the more expensive NX 87 (http://www.bostonacoustics.com/ca_product.asp?ProductID=231&CategoryID=14)?

TwistedVisions
06-03-2004, 10:15 PM
The cheaper ones,only because the more you underpower it the worse its going to sound (I found this out when i took my stock speakers out and put 300 dollar speakers and it sounded terrible when i turned up the volume to loud.)when turned up loud. I mean no point in spending the extra money to get that set that requires 160 watts rms when your using your stock cd player. Also keep me updated on how you like those boston accoustics i hope to get some after i get my sub and amp which should happen by august.