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PHAT BOi
02-11-2014, 11:20 PM
So, I contacted him about the Crescendo 3KWP and said I was interest but wouldn't have money till my taxes hit and asked if he would hold it. He said to send him $50 and he would. SO I did. All seemed fine until today around 7:30pm when he demanded I cover the paypal fees when I send him the other $400. I said that wasn't specified in the agreement and declined. I'll let the screen shots of our texts tell the rest of the story.

First here are the original PM's:

Man, I been waiting for one of these to pop up. One of my all time favorite amps. Had one in 2012 but lost it to a pawn shop during some rough times. Been looking for another ever since.

My taxes are due to deposit on Monday. Any chance you'd hold it till then and I'll give you the $450? I understand if not, just figured couldn't hurt to ask. Thanks.


If you PayPal me 50 today I'll hold it


What's your Paypal?


[email protected]


Sent. Thanks.


Sold to you. Text me shipping info 8595839006

Now we moved to texting:
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PHAT BOi
02-11-2014, 11:20 PM
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PHAT BOi
02-11-2014, 11:23 PM
So, I decided to post this anyways incase he tries to do this to someone else. And then to top it all off, I come on here and find out he's been banned. Hope this saves someone from getting effed over by him in the future. The icing on the cake is his facebook profile states he is in college for Law Enforcement, lmao.

globalminds_ent
02-11-2014, 11:39 PM
Dude let it go i don't even see what your problem is he did everything you asked. You didn't get scammed at all u should've paid the paypal fees just for him holding the amp for u. Alota people wanted that amp should've been first come first serve. You didn't even take into consideration what he did for you. Seems like you just want to make someone look bad.

Beatin'
02-11-2014, 11:49 PM
moler didn't say anything about fees initially, so...........I agree with OP.

PHAT BOi
02-11-2014, 11:54 PM
I appreciated what he was doing. And would have worked with him on the fees if he had asked. But he demanded. Then tried to keep my 50 unless I paid the rest. I don't know where you're from, but around here that's called scamming. If he would have just sent the refund the first time I asked, when he said he would but didn't, I would have let it go. If I am wrong, then please have a mod delete this thread. But I seriously doubt that will happen. Not with the way he acted.

Dimwit
02-11-2014, 11:55 PM
I agree with OP that the fees were an issue. Trying to hold the $50 was wrong too but this is blown a bit out of proportion. The seller did go out on a limb to hold it. Could've been handled better on both ends but you got your refund so thats what matters.

globalminds_ent
02-12-2014, 12:06 AM
Okay i agree there should be no hidden fees but he did do everything you wanted and was going to send u the amp. I don't see the scam.

globalminds_ent
02-12-2014, 12:09 AM
If i wanted fees i wouldve let you know i can understand where you come from once i play this out in my head just tryin to see both sides. But some deals don't go good. You got your money back.

Inter007
02-12-2014, 12:13 AM
I understand the fees part as well as trying to keep the $50, but I don't see a scam here.

PHAT BOi
02-12-2014, 12:19 AM
I wasn't about to send him $400 after he said he was gonna keep the $50. I'm not an idiot. And as I said, I feel that demanding more money than was agreed upon, and threatening to keep the $50 unless I paid the rest is pretty **** scammish.

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Why is he banned right now? Happened today. Hmmm?

Slo_Ride
02-12-2014, 12:24 AM
wow

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[/COLOR]Why is he banned right now? Happened today. Hmmm?

cause he's a scammer

michaellane
02-12-2014, 08:56 AM
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michaellane
02-12-2014, 09:07 AM
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michaellane
02-12-2014, 09:11 AM
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michaellane
02-12-2014, 09:14 AM
this is dumb he shouldnt keep $50 and you shouldnt buy stuff without the cash in hand. lesson learned.

MrFoca
02-12-2014, 09:18 AM
I agree with dude. The agreement should have been in stone. I once offered to send a deposit to hold a sub. And I even stated that if I didn't pay buy the day I said. He could keep the deposit for wasting time with sale. Get it the first time. Not blackmail people.

basswiigee
02-12-2014, 09:30 AM
So, I decided to post this anyways incase he tries to do this to someone else. And then to top it all off, I come on here and find out he's been banned. Hope this saves someone from getting effed over by him in the future. The icing on the cake is his facebook profile states he is in college for Law Enforcement, lmao.

yup he's a d bag and has had feedback threads opened against him here and caco but you should probably still erase numbers from above threads..... but just for the record if you give me 50 bucks, and we don't make a deal but I held it for you, i'm keeping the 50 too..... lol but thats if you just didn't want it and thats not cool, but if he raised the price on you that ain't cool either, hope this gets taken care of.... my 2 cents... and he was selling you a dream anyways, no way you'd see 4500 outta that.....

michaellane
02-12-2014, 09:42 AM
okay looks like the $50 was refunded donald. check your paypal again and let me know

PHAT BOi
02-12-2014, 09:47 AM
Yeah, he did actually send the money back after I threatened to open a paypal claim and blast him on the forum.

Can't believe people are actually questioning why I started this thread after seeing this:

http://www.caraudio.com/forums/buyer-seller-feedback/593355-callin-out-moller.html

And that is exactly what he was trying to get me to do was send the money via gift (me paying the fees) so I would have no recourse after he ripped my *** off.

PHAT BOi
02-12-2014, 09:50 AM
Even though I did finally get my money back, I wanted to give others a heads up of how this d-bag does business. If I am wrong for that, then as I've said before, please delete this thread.

michaellane
02-12-2014, 09:55 AM
Even though I did finally get my money back, I wanted to give others a heads up of how this d-bag does business. If I am wrong for that, then as I've said before, please delete this thread.

delete your post because you were wrong for buying stuff without the money in hand. all this shows is that it is too much work to deal with either of you. trust me

PHAT BOi
02-12-2014, 10:03 AM
I'm wrong for coming to an agreement and sending a deposit to hold the amp with full intention of paying the remainder of the balance and then rightfully requesting a refund after he forcefully changed the terms of the agreement? I think not.

So, if I try to rob you, but don't actually get the money from you, or better yet do get a little bit of money from you but then give it back, I did nothing wrong? No, I still tried to rob you. That in itself is plain wrong.

michaellane
02-12-2014, 10:11 AM
I'm wrong for coming to an agreement and sending a deposit to hold the amp with full intention of paying the remainder of the balance and then rightfully requesting a refund after he forcefully changed the terms of the agreement? I think not.

So, if I try to rob you, but don't actually get the money from you, or better yet do get a little bit of money from you but then give it back, I did nothing wrong? No, I still tried to rob you. That in itself is plain wrong.

i didnt see you sent deposit as i didnt want to rear that mess of a thread you made. i did see where you mentioned a monday then you gettign your money at a later date because of a mistake from h&r block. you wanna keep the thread then do so. if he gave the cash back then i dont see a issue. you defaulted on the agreement because you couldnt supply the cash on the date agreed upon. either way up to you im not arguing with a newb like yourself. ive sold over 100 items here and never a single issue. youre new and have issues.

basswiigee
02-12-2014, 10:16 AM
I'm wrong for coming to an agreement and sending a deposit to hold the amp with full intention of paying the remainder of the balance and then rightfully requesting a refund after he forcefully changed the terms of the agreement? I think not.

So, if I try to rob you, but don't actually get the money from you, or better yet do get a little bit of money from you but then give it back, I did nothing wrong? No, I still tried to rob you. That in itself is plain wrong.

lol, I feel both sides but if you tried to rob me, I'd be on my way to your shipping addy to TALK..... lol some people don't learn, he is apparently one of those people...

PHAT BOi
02-12-2014, 10:18 AM
Mess of a thread? I simply listed all messages between myself and him in an orderly fashion so all the facts would be laid out. I told him from the beginning I SHOULD have my money Monday. Issue was out of my hands and at that point he could have choose to refund my money and relisted the amp. I would have been fine with that, but he choose to wait it out. Now I see why, he was planning to rip me off. ****, I'd wait too if I knew I was about to get another $400 for free. The whole reason he wanted me to cover the fees is so I would send it via gift and not have any way to get it back.

And you really gonna talk about how my post makes me look bad? You went into dudes personal life and posted pics of his family on the forum. That's pretty fucked up bro.

The issue is dead to me. I got my money back and had my say on the situation. Moving on.

MXcarAudio
02-12-2014, 04:04 PM
If it was asked ncely it would have worked out, telling somebody to send 400 not 395 or 399 is pretty demeaning like saying Phatboi will try to scam Moler