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tat2bass
01-26-2014, 04:49 PM
Ok. I will start this off by saying that I am in this situation partially due to my own fault. I was busy with work and failed to test the unit out right away. As a result, I didn't ever get a chance to look at it until this past week and found it to be in the condition it is in. I know I shouldn't have waited so long to test it, but I was busy with work and he had good feedback scores so I thought it would be ok.

I bought a Pioneer 80PRS from Madman11 ; back in November. I got it, opened the box to just see that it was in there and threw it in a shelf in my garage. Literally only looked at it for like 5 seconds.

I will start by saying that buying from him was very suspicious to start with. I sent a message asking if it was available and he told me it was. I sent the money to him immediately after. He sends me a message stating that I forgot to include shipping. So I send him the money for shipping. He then tells me to send my address to silveradoss as he had already sold the head unit to him and that silveradoss would be shipping the hint to me. Seemed odd, but as long as I received the unit I wasn't going to make a big deal about it. Kind of upset that he asked me to send him money for shipping if he didn't even have the unit.

So fast forward to earlier this week I finally am starting on my build. I pull the unit out and actually unwrap it from the paper and begin to see the condition it is in. There is rust on it, a lot of dirt/sand and just generally not in the condition that was described in the post. So I send him a message telling him.

I then went and bought a wire harness and decided to test it out. If it worked, I could get past the appearance. I care more about the functionality of it. So I hook it up and it powers on but it will not load cd's, Bluetooth doesn't work, and buttons stick. I didn't have a radio fm adapter so I couldn't test the radio output but tomorrow I will grab an aux cable and test that out.

I sent him the original message just saying that I was unhappy with the condition that it was in and asked for a refund. He has logged in since then and did not respond to me. Unfortunately I am past the 45 days to file a claim on Paypal so I can only ask him. If he decides he doesn't want to refund my money there is nothing I can do. I offered to ship the unit back to him at my expense. I just want the bulk of my money back. I am putting this on here in the hopes that he will want to make it right. Anyone who has done business with me knows me and that I'm not trying to scan anyone or anything like that. Just want what I paid for. I feel that he made the picture in the ad as small as he did to hide the condition.

Pics will follow in the next post

tat2bass
01-26-2014, 04:56 PM
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basswiigee
01-26-2014, 04:58 PM
Yeah I had alot of issues my deal with him also.... But he made things right on my end..... hopefully he will do the same for you.....

bmk6795
01-26-2014, 05:13 PM
**** man that blows. hopefully he will make it right. however, if i recall in a thread of mine that i had problems in you told me to always make an unboxing vid n test right away :). I'm just busting your balls. hope everything works out.

tat2bass
01-26-2014, 05:19 PM
**** man that blows. hopefully he will make it right. however, if i recall in a thread of mine that i had problems in you told me to always make an unboxing vid n test right away :). I'm just busting your balls. hope everything works out.

I know. That was the first thing I thought when I was finding all this. Like I said, I got caught up with work and he had 10 positive feedbacks so I didn't think much of it. If I end up out of pocket for it, it'll be my fault for not testing it like I normally do.

Hopefully it doesn't come to that though.

supereikenator
01-26-2014, 05:24 PM
It's awesome to see someone on here being classy about negative feedback lately, the past few have been so quick to flip. Hope everything gets made right. I totally understand the busy thing.

tat2bass
01-26-2014, 05:42 PM
Yeah. Not trying to screw anyone or throw them under the bus. Just not happy with the condition and typically stuff being open and giving the person a chance to fix it works better than pissing them off

Xrojas13
01-26-2014, 06:16 PM
Sounds like a bait and switch but than again the price might have been too good to be true

tat2bass
01-26-2014, 06:44 PM
Sounds like a bait and switch but than again the price might have been too good to be true

What is a bait and switch? I have over 30 pos feedbacks and would never scam anyone if you're trying to say that I'm trying to pull something.

Here is the link to the original thread.

http://www.caraudio.com/forums/head-unit-classifieds/595958-pioneer-80-prs.html

2Dcore
01-26-2014, 06:59 PM
What is a bait and switch? I have over 30 pos feedbacks and would never scam anyone if you're trying to say that I'm trying to pull something.

Here is the link to the original thread.

http://www.caraudio.com/forums/head-unit-classifieds/595958-pioneer-80-prs.html

I think he meant the other guy not you. But that *****! Your a good guy hate to see you get screwed. It does look like it got pulled out of flood car.

RoYALbLUE08
01-26-2014, 07:31 PM
tat2bass is def a good guy. my transaction with him buying my product was seamless and i know hes a good guy.. hope everything goes good for you

Xrojas13
01-26-2014, 07:55 PM
Yes I meant the other guy maybe he kept the better one but who's knows . Still ***** u got crappy unit

tat2bass
01-26-2014, 08:12 PM
Yeah I know. I was looking forward to having another 80prs. I had one in my 09 Camry se and loved it. But then I bought a ford cmax that had every option so I sold it and used the factory nav unit. I am gonna be using a 9500 series pioneer now. One level below but still would like to get another in the future

PHD - USA
01-26-2014, 08:23 PM
If you decide to part it out I want the little silver "wings" on the knob lol

tat2bass
01-26-2014, 08:40 PM
If you decide to part it out I want the little silver "wings" on the knob lol

That is actually the part that is rusted and sticks the most. Hard to get a great pic of the rust on my phone and I don't have a real camera

d77543020
01-26-2014, 08:51 PM
in the old add he said it was still under warranty?not sure how that would help you though

jackreacher
02-05-2014, 01:46 PM
Yeah I had alot of issues my deal with him also.... But he made things right on my end..... hopefully he will do the same for you.....

i was going for him.. should i not?

basswiigee
02-05-2014, 01:49 PM
i was going for him.. should i not?

going for him????? explain better....

basswiigee
02-05-2014, 01:58 PM
Jes 42; you didn't have any issues did you? crazy to see this.... madman stayed in communication with me the whole time..... all though we did have our issues.... he made everything right with me... nothing but a couple days delay..... arranged new deal and he shipped fast....

basswiigee
02-05-2014, 02:20 PM
that HU is hit looks like it was in katrina.....

redrider
02-05-2014, 02:47 PM
man that thing seems in rough shape

Jes 42
02-05-2014, 02:53 PM
Jes 42; you didn't have any issues did you? crazy to see this.... madman stayed in communication with me the whole time..... all though we did have our issues.... he made everything right with me... nothing but a couple days delay..... arranged new deal and he shipped fast....
No i didn't have any probs.The amp i sent him got jacked up by USPS but we worked it out.

Jes 42
02-05-2014, 02:56 PM
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Ouch..Any updates?

basswiigee
02-05-2014, 02:56 PM
No i didn't have any probs.The amp i sent him got jacked up by USPS but we worked it out.

lol.... did you see that hu though.... geez....

Jes 42
02-05-2014, 02:59 PM
lol.... did you see that hu though.... geez....
It's a hot fkn mess.

basswiigee
02-05-2014, 03:06 PM
he's also caco same s/n

nismos14
02-05-2014, 03:12 PM
Who the hell does that to a nice HU! I think he got you got buy someone else's HU, and it was in POS condition. Totally not right at all.

Silverado SS
02-05-2014, 03:34 PM
Sounds like a bait and switch but than again the price might have been too good to be true

Shut the **** up, I had the unit for 30 seconds looked at it and texted mad man saying I wanted a refund asap and he said I may just be able to ship it to tat2bass and I currently have a problem with one of his amps he sold me but we have worked it out. Me and tat have sold and bought back and forth he knows I would not pull some BS, I have sold or bought 20+ items just on CA but feedback dont mean **** because of this. Any way yes I had the HU then shipped it to tat2bass

nismos14
02-05-2014, 03:37 PM
Shut the **** up, I had the unit for 30 seconds looked at it and texted mad man saying I wanted a refund asap and he said I may just be able to ship it to tat2bass and I currently have a problem with one of his amps he sold me but we have worked it out. Me and tat have sold and bought back and forth he knows I would not pull some BS, I have sold or bought 20+ items just on CA but feedback dont mean **** because of this. Any way yes I had the HU then shipped it to tat2bass

So it was a bait and switch. He sold it to you, you didn't like it, he resold it to someone else, knowing it was in **** condition. This isn't someone blaming you, don't overreact.

basswiigee
02-05-2014, 03:44 PM
so where's he at? and whats he gonna do to make it right? Madman11;

Dmac1991
02-05-2014, 03:49 PM
So seeing as how SS wanted a refund, Madman just felt it was ok to just sell it to another person?

I mean SS obviously wanted a refund due to the condition of the headunit, yet he sells it to someone else?

**** don't make no sense man

basswiigee
02-05-2014, 03:51 PM
So seeing as how SS wanted a refund, Madman just felt it was ok to just sell it to another person?

I mean SS obviously wanted a refund due to the condition of the headunit, yet he sells it to someone else?

**** don't make no sense man

fixed but yeah............ crazy isn't it? I would've gave tat warning though. but we don't always think right in the mist of things....

Dmac1991
02-05-2014, 04:02 PM
fixed but yeah............ crazy isn't it? I would've gave tat warning though. but we don't always think right in the mist of things....

honestly though, Ima stop fuckin with CA.com as far as buying items. Just sell items on here. People are so hard pressed for money nowadays and will do whatever to get it, even if that means scamming for it.

basswiigee
02-05-2014, 04:11 PM
honestly though, Ima stop fuckin with CA.com as far as buying items. Just sell items on here. People are so hard pressed for money nowadays and will do whatever to get it, even if that means scamming for it.

I agree..........

tat2bass
02-05-2014, 04:24 PM
Silveradoss is in no way at fault for anything. He simply shipped the unit to me. I figured he got it and saw the condition and asked for a refund also. I thought it was shady and fucked up that madman asked me for shipping for it without me knowing that silveradoss had it.

Since I sent the message he had quit logging on. Used to get on pretty frequently. But it's all good. I took it apart and cleaned it. Re soldered some stuff on the inside and got the Bluetooth to work. So I'll be keeping it and using it since I'm kind of stuck with it now. I checked the output with an oscope and it was clean so I'll just deal with the looks. May buy a new faceplate down the road. I had bought a pioneer 9500bhs that I was gonna use with my set of spx17pro comps but they weren't as loud as I want. So I'm gonna pull them and switch to pro audio and needed an active unit. Running it now active.

Just for future I wouldn't advise anyone else to do business with madman11. Couple other people said that they have had issues with him also.

nismos14
02-05-2014, 04:50 PM
what a douche bag

Jes 42
02-05-2014, 05:09 PM
Silveradoss is in no way at fault for anything. He simply shipped the unit to me. I figured he got it and saw the condition and asked for a refund also. I thought it was shady and fucked up that madman asked me for shipping for it without me knowing that silveradoss had it.

Since I sent the message he had quit logging on. Used to get on pretty frequently. But it's all good. I took it apart and cleaned it. Re soldered some stuff on the inside and got the Bluetooth to work. So I'll be keeping it and using it since I'm kind of stuck with it now. I checked the output with an oscope and it was clean so I'll just deal with the looks. May buy a new faceplate down the road. I had bought a pioneer 9500bhs that I was gonna use with my set of spx17pro comps but they weren't as loud as I want. So I'm gonna pull them and switch to pro audio and needed an active unit. Running it now active.

Just for future I wouldn't advise anyone else to do business with madman11. Couple other people said that they have had issues with him also.

:cool: Good to see you got it workin.Fkd up it came like that though.

Xrojas13
02-05-2014, 06:30 PM
Shut the **** up, I had the unit for 30 seconds looked at it and texted mad man saying I wanted a refund asap and he said I may just be able to ship it to tat2bass and I currently have a problem with one of his amps he sold me but we have worked it out. Me and tat have sold and bought back and forth he knows I would not pull some BS, I have sold or bought 20+ items just on CA but feedback dont mean **** because of this. Any way yes I had the HU then shipped it to tat2bass
Clam down buddy just sayings possibility but now we know the price to good to be true

Silverado SS
02-05-2014, 11:05 PM
fixed but yeah............ crazy isn't it? I would've gave tat warning though. but we don't always think right in the mist of things....

I did tell tat that it wasn't in mint condition like mad man told me I just told him its a little beat up and thats that and I paid for shipping and mad man said he would transfer funds once tat paid and never did so I'm out money also, not that I care its like 13$.

PapaGeno21
02-06-2014, 01:35 AM
What I have learned is CA.com is basically the best car audio site on the net now to get scammed. Every day there are new negative feedback posts.

How cute.

Sorry to hear about your troubles man.

Side Show
02-06-2014, 01:41 AM
^^ so true

Knowmadic
02-06-2014, 02:05 AM
My question is how do you trash such a nice HU..? That thing looks ABUSED.

tc300
02-06-2014, 02:51 AM
Somethings you should just buy new to begin with..... ***** for your loss...

disturbed471985
02-06-2014, 04:38 AM
If you don't know the person don't buy from them lesson one on CA.com.. Bought and sold many items but always with people I know to not be foul... Other then my wire and front stage all was bought on here with not a issue cause I bought from legit people I knew.

Silverado SS
02-06-2014, 05:28 AM
My question is how do you trash such a nice HU..? That thing looks ABUSED.

These headunits have a horrible quality faceplates and get beat up fast

whitedragon551
02-06-2014, 08:03 AM
Whats the email you sent PayPal too?

blobb454
02-06-2014, 09:06 AM
Nothing yet on this....?

Knowmadic
02-06-2014, 09:50 AM
These headunits have a horrible quality faceplates and get beat up fast

I had a 80-PRS for a year and managed to not get a single scratch or nick on it.

tat2bass
02-07-2014, 08:51 PM
So madman11 messaged me today. He stated that their was nothing wrong with the unit when he shipped it and said he will send me pics later. He is trying to be a bit of a smart *** about it. Changed his profile pic to say "scam alert". Stated maybe he should start a thread calling me a scammer. Go ahead. I know and enough people here know me and have done business with me to know otherwise.

As I said earlier too, now that I got the Bluetooth working I will be keeping it. I don't care about or need the CD player and can get over the looks.

He states that he was forthcoming about the condition in the ad and that it is an 8.5/10 appearance and that he posted the pic of it in the ad. That pic in the ad is tiny as **** and doesn't show anything I should have asked for pics of it closer up. My fault. Will do it from now on.

whitedragon551
02-07-2014, 10:01 PM
So madman11 messaged me today. He stated that their was nothing wrong with the unit when he shipped it and said he will send me pics later. He is trying to be a bit of a smart *** about it. Changed his profile pic to say "scam alert". Stated maybe he should start a thread calling me a scammer. Go ahead. I know and enough people here know me and have done business with me to know otherwise.

As I said earlier too, now that I got the Bluetooth working I will be keeping it. I don't care about or need the CD player and can get over the looks.

He states that he was forthcoming about the condition in the ad and that it is an 8.5/10 appearance and that he posted the pic of it in the ad. That pic in the ad is tiny as **** and doesn't show anything I should have asked for pics of it closer up. My fault. Will do it from now on.

I changed his profile pic until he makes this right.

Id like to know how a headunit ended up with dirt inside a well packaged box. Even if it miraculously got in there somehow thats no where near an 8.5/10. Thats a 6/10 at best.

basswiigee
02-07-2014, 10:21 PM
yeah, I've done business with both you guys so I'd like to see this get resolved on the positive note!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

tat2bass
02-08-2014, 02:17 PM
Ok. Madman is making this right. He is refunding me money to get a new faceplate for it. He offered more money but I decided to just split the cost of the faceplate with him.

Jes 42
02-08-2014, 02:44 PM
Ok. Madman is making this right. He is refunding me money to get a new faceplate for it. He offered more money but I decided to just split the cost of the faceplate with him.

Glad to see this is getting worked out.

tat2bass
02-08-2014, 03:12 PM
Yeah. Said he is at work and will gift me the agreed upon amount later on tonight

platinumjason
02-08-2014, 04:28 PM
Sounds like most of his trades end up in having to reimburse someone because stuff arrives in bad shape.

tat2bass
02-09-2014, 07:47 PM
Didn't receive the money or any texts or anything else last night. Will let everyone know when it goes through.

tat2bass
02-12-2014, 01:43 PM
Still haven't received the payment or any word. Hasn't logged on since.

Madman11
02-24-2014, 06:45 AM
Let me just clarify a few things for a few of you that let your assumptions get the better of you. Ive never had sny issues with items ive shipped arriving in a condition not described in the add. Only "problem" other then the issue that has been resolved here was wkth basswiggie and that was only because the item was stolen from my house during a robbery and i went out and bought the xbox 360 he wanted. Paid alot more then i should have but felt it was the right thing to do. I got scammed in that deal but dont think a public forum is the right place to point fingers so oh well you live and learn. Ive never had negative feedback on any site. I have well over 100 positive sells on ebay as well. As i told tat2bass i take full responsibility as should every seller even if its a problem causrd during shipping. I offered a full refund but he respectfully declined. I offered a half refund but as a gentleman all he requested was $50. I have absolutely no hard feelings toward him over this deal or this thread what does upset me is everyone else who has never even dealt with me dumping thier 2cents in and the "so called" other issues out there. I wont stoop to your childish level and bash you. All i ask is if you have a problem be a man and come to me first as tat2 did. Now as for the condition of the h/u i will say when i shipped it wss definitely 8.5+/10. I sent silverado pics of it. His reason for recund was scratches in the cage ad small chip in the knob. I refunded him and reposted add with updated descrition. Looking back only mistake i feel i made is not having silverado ship it to me cirst.and because of that i offered tat2 a full refund. Dont assume im blaming silverado because im not. I still feel he is a vreat guy. (semding you a pm sorry bud i forgot to reimburse shipping ill get your info and get that out to you asap) so havingsaid all that i feel people are way to quick to judge and point fingers. Douch? Where id that come from? Are we still in jr high? Would you like me to offer to meet you on the playground at 3:30. Come on vrow up already. Tat2bass and silveradoss i a sorry for the inconviencei hope there are no hard feelings. Basswiggie im going to get at ou got a bone to pick in p rivateand jes42 thanks for ringing this matter to my attention. And just to clarify ayment was sent sat feb 22nd.sdelayed due to reason that ate out of my contro. and please leave scammer in my title cause i think its quite amusing.

tat2bass
02-24-2014, 11:43 AM
To what he said above, he did offer a full refund and then offered to buy a new faceplate. I am not trying to take advantage of the situation or anything and it was partially my fault for not checking the unit as soon as I received it so I declined that and told him we could split the cost at $50 each. As stated he did have some issues that came up that were out of his control but he is making it right. **** happens and I feel he has definitely handled it properly.

Due to the circumstances that he had come up though, I will not be accepting the money order that he sent. I will be sending it back to him. I was more concerned with the principle of the matter than the money. With what he has going on money nor an issue as this should be on his mind.

Nutdawg651
02-24-2014, 12:42 PM
Props to both you

tat2bass
02-24-2014, 05:09 PM
Thanks

brian.cline
02-24-2014, 06:01 PM
Glad it got straightened out guys!

SentraStyle
02-25-2014, 10:07 PM
To what he said above, he did offer a full refund and then offered to buy a new faceplate. I am not trying to take advantage of the situation or anything and it was partially my fault for not checking the unit as soon as I received it so I declined that and told him we could split the cost at $50 each. As stated he did have some issues that came up that were out of his control but he is making it right. **** happens and I feel he has definitely handled it properly.

Due to the circumstances that he had come up though, I will not be accepting the money order that he sent. I will be sending it back to him. I was more concerned with the principle of the matter than the money. With what he has going on money nor an issue as this should be on his mind.

If only more members on this forum had even 1/2 the integrity you do...:handclap:

tat2bass
03-21-2014, 11:12 AM
So I sent a message to madman on here last night but it looks like he hasn't been on in two weeks and isn't really active as much.

But I never received the money order he supposedly sent for $50 to pay for half of a new face plate.

Though he said his wife was in an accident and I offered to return the money order to him, all I wanted was it made right by principle. I feel that that has still not been done at this time. Just seems like its still been a lot of excuses.

I feel I was more than fair in handling this and giving him opportunity to fix it.

For everyone else I would just bear caution if doing a deal.

silveradoss ; did he ever send you the money for shipping? He told me his reason for wanting to send me a money order was that he wasn't using PayPal anymore which seemed odd to me and came across as an excuse to do the money order thing and maybe blame it on the postal system or something.

tat2bass
03-21-2014, 11:15 AM
Forgot to add that he had said that he shipped the money order before I told him that I would return it due to the accident he said his wife was in.

tat2bass
04-04-2014, 02:09 PM
He hasn't been on since late February. Still haven't received a money order or heard anything. Don't think I will at this point either. At this point I believe he can be added to the list of people to not do business with.

Anyone want a cheap *** 80prs? It still works and all. Only things that I have found so far that don't work is the CD player, and the USB's on the back. Still works through the AUX port on the front and the Bluetooth works and can stream music through it. Can still do the active 3 way network. If anyone wants it let me know. Like I said, it will be pretty **** cheap. I don't have any need for it.

BoomTaco64
04-04-2014, 02:23 PM
what price you looking to get?

tat2bass
04-04-2014, 02:44 PM
$70? Can't remember what all it comes with. Will have to look later. I think I still have the harness, remote, trim ring, time alignment mic and the Bluetooth mic. May come down on the price also and sell it as an "as is" unit. It worked as stated above when I last had it hooked up. I ran it active for a short time before I switched to passive crossovers and back to my Pio 9500. I don't want to promise it works and then someone find something wrong with it that I didn't explore into.

BoomTaco64
04-04-2014, 02:57 PM
pm sent

tat2bass
04-04-2014, 04:09 PM
Sold to nismos14 ; for $60.

nismos14
04-04-2014, 04:13 PM
Thanks a lot, perfect for use to tinker with and on the bench.

tat2bass
04-04-2014, 04:20 PM
I know. Wish I had a use for it. But I ended up selling my 3 way Audison set and couldn't use this because of the non working USB's. I'm guessing it would probably be a pretty easy fix to fix both the cd player and the USB's. But I have neither the time nor the desire. Just ***** because I'm still out $120. Oh well.

Now its time to wait for Sundown to finally release the **** X6.5 sub. Can't wait to get a set and beat the **** out of them!!