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Chromatic
12-28-2013, 05:47 PM
I'm putting some new speakers in the front of my 350Z to replace the factory speakers and a sub.. Out of these three choices which would you go with.

These were recommended by someone on here I believe.. not 100% they fit the tight space in the doors of this car, pretty much all speakers need a spacer.

Cl-61cv - CDT Audio 6.5" Convertible Coaxial Component Speaker System | WoofersEtc (http://woofersetc.amazonwebstore.com/Cl61cv-CDT-Audio-6.5-Convertible-Coaxial/M/B001NXU6AW.htm)

These DO fit,.. come with a spacer from Crutchfield:

Kicker 40CSS654 6-1/2" component speaker system at Crutchfield.com (http://www.crutchfield.com/p_2064CSS654/Kicker-40CSS654.html?tp=106#details-tab)

And, these are priced higher,.. but I believe would have no issues fitting due to their "slim" design. Perhaps the price is up due to this design. But, the tweeters are 1", and factory slot is .75" -- so would need some modification.

WoofersEtc.com - EF-61NEO - CDT Audio 6.5" Slim NEODYMIUM Speaker System (http://www.woofersetc.com/p-3080-ef-61neo-cdt-audio-65-slim-neodymium-speaker-system.aspx)

In this price range, have any other recommendations if none of these are "best" for the price range? Have to keep in mind.. stock replacement of 6.5" mids.. which need a spacer even with 2.5" depth magnets,.. and finding .75" tweeters is a bonus due to fitting in factory Sail panels.

Thanks

mclerico83
12-28-2013, 06:20 PM
kicker no way overpriced :)

JBL MS62C Component Systems at Onlinecarstereo.com (http://www.onlinecarstereo.com/CarAudio/p_35631_JBL_MS62C.aspx?utm_source=google_shopping&utm_medium=Product_Feed&utm_campaign=google_shopping_Price_Comparison&gclid=CJ3fr9z507sCFYNxOgod0F8Alw)

all day long my choice sub 200

on crutchfield they are 299
JBL MS-62C 6-3/4" component system at Crutchfield.com (http://www.crutchfield.com/p_109MS62C/JBL-MS-62C.html?tp=106&awkw=30217513105&awat=pla&awnw=g&awcr=8622177025&awdv=c)

Chromatic
12-28-2013, 06:36 PM
Hrmm.. The JBL's are 160watts RMS. (Speakers I'm looking at are 100watts-RMS..) That's going to push my budget way up there on the amp. Plus the tweeters are 1".. I need 3/4" tweeters. Also, I wonder how deep they are.

Man,.. it's near impossible to figure out online what speakers are good vs. others. As everyone has a different opinion,.. and about the only way you can be "sure" on something is to buy $400-500+ speakers.

The CDT is a brand I've never heard of.. are they quality products? Kicker is a brand I used to think was crap,.. years ago.... but I guess their products have come up as the years have gone by.

mclerico83
12-28-2013, 07:16 PM
Hrmm.. The JBL's are 160watts RMS. (Speakers I'm looking at are 100watts-RMS..) That's going to push my budget way up there on the amp. Plus the tweeters are 1".. I need 3/4" tweeters. Also, I wonder how deep they are.

Man,.. it's near impossible to figure out online what speakers are good vs. others. As everyone has a different opinion,.. and about the only way you can be "sure" on something is to buy $400-500+ speakers.

The CDT is a brand I've never heard of.. are they quality products? Kicker is a brand I used to think was crap,.. years ago.... but I guess their products have come up as the years have gone by.

80rms each

Silverado SS
12-28-2013, 07:56 PM
Morel maximos comps

Chromatic
01-02-2014, 06:06 PM
Just ran by these speakers.. they supposedly fit with a one inch spacer.

JL Audio C2650 Evolution™ C2 Series 6-3/4" component speaker system at Crutchfield.com (http://www.crutchfield.com/S-rGJHvu5Cu7E/p_136C2650/JL-Audio-C2650.html#overview-tab)

What do you guys think about this component set?

mylows10
01-02-2014, 06:10 PM
Just ran by these speakers.. they supposedly fit with a one inch spacer.

JL Audio C2650 Evolution™ C2 Series 6-3/4" component speaker system at Crutchfield.com (http://www.crutchfield.com/S-rGJHvu5Cu7E/p_136C2650/JL-Audio-C2650.html#overview-tab)

What do you guys think about this component set?

Nah !!! Look at phd components

juanmgarza26
01-02-2014, 06:14 PM
Just ran by these speakers.. they supposedly fit with a one inch spacer.

JL Audio C2650 Evolution™ C2 Series 6-3/4" component speaker system at Crutchfield.com (http://www.crutchfield.com/S-rGJHvu5Cu7E/p_136C2650/JL-Audio-C2650.html#overview-tab)

What do you guys think about this component set?
Nothing special, that was my first set of comps, dont recommend i had them amped and they have a DECENT mid bass sound but the tweeter is semi harsh even on the -3db setting and eq-ing i personally never had a phd set but my older brother who is more of a sq guy, i dont know what set they are but those suckers get decently loud and sound dam good doing it

mylows10
01-02-2014, 06:22 PM
Prolly the fb 6.1 pro set

trumpet
01-02-2014, 06:57 PM
I recommend you bite the bullet and plan to modify your panels to fit 1" tweeters. You get better sound with the slightly larger tweeter when it's paired with a 6.5" woofer, because a 1" tweeter has an easier time of blending in with the woofers. Granted, this is a generalization, but it's you mostly see 2-way 6.5" components with 1" tweeters.

Out of all these speaker sets, none of them require you to match the speaker's RMS power ratings to the amplifier's RMS power ratings. Run 50W RMS or run 150W RMS, both ways will work. We look to the bigger amplifier if we're concerned about clean power on music that has a wide dynamic range. If you're listening to the radio, pop music, SiriusXM, or basically any music that sounds the same volume from beginning to end, the benefits of buying more power will be less apparent. If you intentionally seek out better recordings that have good dynamic range, that's when the extra amplifier headroom is most noticable.

Chromatic
01-03-2014, 01:37 AM
Thanks for all your replies.. I'll be individually looking at your speakers.

I talked to a guy about these:

Rockford Fosgate T165 s T1 Power 6 5" Component Car Audio Speaker T1652S T1652 S | eBay (http://www.ebay.com/itm/ROCKFORD-FOSGATE-T165-S-T1-POWER-6-5-COMPONENT-CAR-AUDIO-SPEAKER-T1652S-T1652-S-/181264997648)

Rockford Fosgate 6.5" with 1" tweeters.

Strangely enough these tweeters fit without modification in the car. They are a little pricier.. but I recognize the brand.. and he brags about them. Now, how that stacks up to your scrutiny is another matter. What do you say about the Fosgates?

Eventually I'll find the right set of components.. as you can see I'm not in a huge rush ;)

mylows10
01-03-2014, 01:41 AM
Thanks for all your replies.. I'll be individually looking at your speakers.

I talked to a guy about these:

Rockford Fosgate T165 s T1 Power 6 5" Component Car Audio Speaker T1652S T1652 S | eBay (http://www.ebay.com/itm/ROCKFORD-FOSGATE-T165-S-T1-POWER-6-5-COMPONENT-CAR-AUDIO-SPEAKER-T1652S-T1652-S-/181264997648)

Rockford Fosgate 6.5" with 1" tweeters.

Strangely enough these tweeters fit without modification in the car. They are a little pricier.. but I recognize the brand.. and he brags about them. Now, how that stacks up to your scrutiny is another matter. What do you say about the Fosgates?

Eventually I'll find the right set of components.. as you can see I'm not in a huge rush ;)

I don't care for them much. They sound a bit bright to me. But it's not my ears that would be hearing them it's yours Try to hear them if your interested in them

Chromatic
01-03-2014, 01:54 AM
I recommend you bite the bullet and plan to modify your panels to fit 1" tweeters. You get better sound with the slightly larger tweeter when it's paired with a 6.5" woofer, because a 1" tweeter has an easier time of blending in with the woofers. Granted, this is a generalization, but it's you mostly see 2-way 6.5" components with 1" tweeters.

If I have to, I have to. I don't have the equipment to do so,.. other than using a dremel and hoping to god I don't over do it,.. Or open it up proper, but it not exactly be smooth when mounted. I'm really just trying to search through the kabillion 6.5" component sets out there to find one that has a good sound and fits decently in this car.. which is why I'm taking my time,.. running them by you guys and continue to research them and talk to others as well. The install is going to be my first, my first on ripping the interior of my brand new car apart .. (shiver).. first wiring of amps, car speakers, and so on. So if I can help it (and I know with enough looking I can find a set that meets you guys high standards *and* actually fits in the car without cutting it up or having to use some molding to make the cut look right after I do it, etc.) -- Essentially, I can already tell this is going to be a 2-3 day job for me in the garage with the car apart.. trying to do a lot of planning before I undo the first bolt or panel to make the install go as "expected" if you know what I mean.

For computer systems I design,.. the more I plan the better the build goes whether it's a 4 grand server or a 2 grand gaming machine. Don't do your planning and you invariably end up not being able to complete,.. or it doesn't perform as you need... etc. You obviously can't "plan" for equipment coming damaged, but other than that.. I really believe in diligent planning going a long way.

Again the option is also always on the table to bring this car to a local shop and let them basically pick the speakers and it's basically a hope and pray it sounds half way decent, is tuned right, and the car gets back in my hands undamaged.




Out of all these speaker sets, none of them require you to match the speaker's RMS power ratings to the amplifier's RMS power ratings. Run 50W RMS or run 150W RMS, both ways will work. We look to the bigger amplifier if we're concerned about clean power on music that has a wide dynamic range. If you're listening to the radio, pop music, SiriusXM, or basically any music that sounds the same volume from beginning to end, the benefits of buying more power will be less apparent. If you intentionally seek out better recordings that have good dynamic range, that's when the extra amplifier headroom is most noticable.
As for RMS ratings.. I'm not set on 100watts RMS, it just seems that all the speaker sets that get recommended or I find that have good stats and reputation are 100watts RMS. If they are 70-100watts matters not to me,.. In fact the Rockford Fosgate component set that fits in the car (and has a 1" tweeter) is 85watts RMS,.. that doesn't bug me in the least. I'll still use same amp.. and just gives me more head room with gains likely set lower.

And, what I listen to is not talk Radio.. while I have Satellite radio,.. I don't pay for it (it's still running from the prev. owners subscription).. and frankly the quality isn't great and it's not impressing me even with the variety. Point is,.. I listen to primarily a 16 Gig USB stick with high quality songs (albeit compressed as MP3's are.. but I make an effort to get the highest bitrate I can) -- And I have a large CD collection I use as well. Radio comes on very rarely.. be it FM or Satellite.

Music Genre is Alternative Rock, Rock, Clean Vocalists, Accoustical,.. No country, very RARELY rap (we're talking maybe 2-3 songs of RAP out of 13,000). Some bands just to throw some out there would be -- Dave Mathews Band (DMB is nice and clean believe it or not),.. Pearl Jam, Sara Bareilles, Eagles, Led Zeppelin, Tool, 311, Alter Bridge, Black Crows, RATM, Chevelle, and on the list goes.

Chromatic
01-03-2014, 01:57 AM
I don't care for them much. They sound a bit bright to me. But it's not my ears that would be hearing them it's yours Try to hear them if your interested in them

Thanks for your valued input.. I think I actually may like Bright.. I'm usually always turning treble settings up higher than anyone else I know.. That equate to bright? ;)

These have 1" Treated-Cloth Dome tweeters (I'm assuming this is not a "bad" thing, and makes them a little less harsh than some tweeters). Also I noticed the tweeters have : " 3 level tweeter attenuation" -- I'm assuming this means you can dial them back physically based on my use/understanding of attenuation in my everyday work.

mylows10
01-03-2014, 02:05 AM
Thanks for your valued input.. I think I actually may like Bright.. I'm usually always turning treble settings up higher than anyone else I know.. That equate to bright? ;)

These have 1" Treated-Cloth Dome tweeters (I'm assuming this is not a "bad" thing, and makes them a little less harsh than some tweeters). Also I noticed the tweeters have : " 3 level tweeter attenuation" -- I'm assuming this means you can dial them back physically based on my use/understanding of attenuation in my everyday work.

The attenuation allows you to dial them back a bit yes placement is a hugh factor in the way the tweets will sound harsh or not I prefer soft silk dome myself most others are pretty harsh to my ears.

Jmez36hz
01-03-2014, 02:15 AM
I have some alpine 6x9 type R that sound beautiful with 45 watts rms going to them, but can take 110 rms. I'll probably eventually give them a bit more power. They are of course available in 6.5" components. With a 2.5" depth they should fit just fine, and you won't have to buy a massive amp to power them.

Chromatic
01-03-2014, 02:21 AM
I have some alpine 6x9 type R that sound beautiful with 45 watts rms going to them, but can take 110 rms. I'll probably eventually give them a bit more power. They are of course available in 6.5" components. With a 2.5" depth they should fit just fine, and you won't have to buy a massive amp to power them.

I'm finding quite a few varieties of the "R" series of Alpine 6.5 components.. ie: Alpine SPR-60C (SPR60C) 6.5" 2-Way Type-R Component Car Speakers (http://www.sonicelectronix.com/item_34364_Alpine-SPR-60C.html)

Mind providing a specific link? Or did I happen to run across the exact match there with that link?


Oh , and the rest of you.. what's your thumbs up or thumbs down opinion of the Alpine type R's?
Thanks

Chromatic
01-03-2014, 02:29 AM
Oh,.. and someone mentioned Morel Maximo's..

Morel Maximo 6 6 5" 2 Way Car Audio Component Speaker System Pair Maximo 6 7290001458808 | eBay (http://www.ebay.com/itm/MOREL-Maximo-6-6-5-2-WAY-CAR-AUDIO-COMPONENT-SPEAKER-SYSTEM-PAIR-Maximo-6-/271325293488?pt=Car_Speakers&hash=item3f2c3f6bb0&vxp=mtr)

They are dirt cheap everywhere.. and are 180watt RMS per speaker. I'll be driving them with 100watts RMS. Are these really way ahead of everything else mentioned in this thread? Would 100 watts on the 180watt speakers be sufficient? The price on Amazon, Ebay, etc for $120-130 just seems odd to me if these are the elite speakers the brand would indicate?

Jmez36hz
01-03-2014, 02:43 AM
Yep those are the ones. I've actually been itching to upgrade my 2 way 6.5" fronts to those. Their bass output is a bit on the shy side, but if you are running a sub as well and are going for isolation these should do the trick just fine. :)

Jmez36hz
01-03-2014, 02:51 AM
Under powering speakers will only hurt them if you try to turn your amp up too high and produce clipping in the signal. Although clipping, or distortion can damage any speaker. If you grossly underpower some stiffer speakers you will get very little output I would think. I feel like it is always best to closely match your wattage ratings between your amp and speaker to get the most effective system for your money, and have a longer lasting system. Overpowering is likely to blow speakers, underpowering makes people want to turn it up the gain even though they shouldn't.... I'm guilty lol.... quite a few toasted subs later....

Sound is always a matter of preference, you can find alpines type R line at most audio stores, and probably listen to them. The tweeters may be considered a bit sharp by some, I like them above other things i've heard for that price point. I mostly listen to electronic music, and some rock and rap.

Chromatic
01-03-2014, 05:42 AM
Appreciate it. I am, unfortunately, on a budget. So I am sticking with my Amp (I have about 3 that I feel comfortable buying.. so amps not an issue ).. that runs 100-120watts RMS per speaker.. The amps I've chosen run 120w x 2 @ 4 ohms RMS and are 4 channel, which I'm bridging the channel 3/4 for 300-400watts RMS (depending on amp) -- And am running this to a JL 8" (if someone can convince me to run a 10" I have the power and the money is the same) in a custom enclosure that fits in the huge opening the factory sub would have gone in (To give you an idea of the size of this box .. it has .66 Cubic feet of space).

Point is.. Most 6.5" components I'm looking at run at 100w RMS,.. which with the amp running 120w RMS per channel will give me a bit of headroom (which I'm pretty sold on).. So I can keep the gains down,.. I'm not going to max the gains period.

So the Morels at 180watts RMS I'm just not comfortable running them without headroom on the amp (and 120w on 180w won't leave me any headroom.. ). So I'm with you in matching the speaker to the amp.. and in my opinion buying a little more amp than the speakers rate at.

The Alpine R's run pretty high at 110watts RMS a piece.. but it would still give me a bit of headroom.

I've got so many components in my head now.. CDT - 61cv's, Rainbow SLC 265.25NG's, JL C2650 Evolution C2's, and those Alpine SPR-60C's. (That's narrowed down from at least a dozen others that didn't work for one reason or another .. ie: Impossible fit without severe modification,.. SQ issues,.. people here disapproving, etc. ;))

I know speakers are something you need to listen to yourself,.. as we all like different sounds,.. but like many places Car audio shops with the soundboards really got hit in the last 5+ years.. and besides going to bestbuy or something.. there really isn't anymore "close" that I can go listen to. So it's literally all word of mouth (or online now).

Plus soundboards (push button for headunit/speaker/amp ) really **** anyways.. The speakers sound nothing like what they sound like in those rooms in a car. Half the time they are not even setup remotely correctly in the boards, etc. I've always just had to go by recommendations. Speakers aren't something you can just spend say $300 on any pair of them and be confident they will be great (for mid-range price).

Further, what Person A loves.. Person B will shoot down lol. Like the Sub, and the amp.. I'm probably going to have to end up just making a stab in the dark decision and just hope it turns out well.

Bottom line I'm upgrading what's playing in the car now. Which is/are TWO 6.5" 10watt RMS Paper cone Clarion factory speakers, and two blown 3/4" tweeters from the factory that go with these Clarions.

You know the speakers in walmart that sound the worst on their soundboard? Those sound better than these. ;)

So the good news, is anything I put in the 350Z is going to sound 100 times better.

But back on topic -- Still looking for suggestions and/or input on the speakers mentioned for 6.5" components. (Preferably shallow mount with 3/4" tweeters.. but I can make 1" tweeters work with some careful cutting. I can only space the Mids in the doors so much before they come through the grills,.. as the factory speakers already have a spacer of 1" on them due to the shallow space between the speaker magnet and window).