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nstillmatic
12-02-2013, 04:06 PM
This is my current setup (no rear speakers):

HAT Imagine I61 6.5" component set -> Sundown SAX 125.2
Sundown SA-15 -> Sundown SAX-1200D

I'm swapping out my SAX 125.2 for a 125.4 and would like to drop something in the rears. Are the Sundown Neo Pro 6.5"s a good option? Or HAT's Mirus set?

jrdnhsnbrg
12-02-2013, 04:08 PM
Don't. Last thing you want is your rear stage drowning out your front stage.

nstillmatic
12-02-2013, 04:14 PM
I have a hatchback with the rear speakers disconnected. Problem is without speakers plugged in the rear.. driving with the windows open or on the highway the sound is drowned out like crazy.

jrdnhsnbrg
12-02-2013, 04:17 PM
I have a hatchback with the rear speakers disconnected. Problem is without speakers plugged in the rear.. driving with the windows open or on the highway the sound is drowned out like crazy.

You need to do some sound deadening throughout the car then

nstillmatic
12-02-2013, 04:28 PM
Both doors are sound deadened already. I spend most of my time driving on the highway for work and the volume from the front components is drastically reduced with windows open. It is like night and day.

jrdnhsnbrg
12-02-2013, 04:32 PM
Both doors are sound deadened already. I spend most of my time driving on the highway for work and the volume from the front components is drastically reduced with windows open. It is like night and day.

That's because you have your windows open, you either need more powerful speakers and a more powerful amp for them. Adding more speakers won't help.

jrdnhsnbrg
12-02-2013, 04:41 PM
Not to mention the window rolled down bounces the rear wave directly at the speaker instead of the deadener you hopefully have on the inside of the outer skin of the door.

T3mpest
12-02-2013, 07:28 PM
If it's a small vehicle adding some extra speakers in the rear will help fix the issue. You could also try a louder set of speakers up front instead which would sound better when it's all said and done. If you knew that's how you usually drive I would have went with some sort of pro audio styled car audio speaker to start with. (not true pro audio though since I'm assuming you need the passive x-over). A good real 92-94dbw/1w/1m speaker should be able to overcome road noise like that. I know my last setup using 8's and horns, swear to god couldn't even hear ANY road noise with the windows down going 80 on the highway. The normal wind noise got drowned out, and that was on any type of music, not just rap lol. That was a 97db/1w/1m front on around 125 watts, from 3/4 volume and up you had no issues with road noise with the windows down. Always build your system aruond what your using it for. If your mostly on the highway windows down then dont' go with a "SQ" car audio component set. Get something in a similar budget that will get louder, even if it gives up a bit of fidelity to get there, you can't hear it over road noise anyways.

Side Show
12-02-2013, 08:05 PM
install some midbass drivers..... I don't like the sound of rears in anycar, specially if they have tweets

zako
12-03-2013, 12:45 AM
You need to do some sound deadening throughout the car then

If the guy listens music with windows open on highway, the SQ has already gone out of window. The sound deadening will not help with that. At this point, SPL is the only thing you can optimize, so I'd say add the rear speakers. Hybrid Audio Mirus should be a good choice, specially if the OP already likes the HAT Imagines in front.

jrdnhsnbrg
12-03-2013, 12:49 AM
If the guy listens music with windows open on highway, the SQ has already gone out of window. The sound deadening will not help with that. At this point, SPL is the only thing you can optimize, so I'd say add the rear speakers. Hybrid Audio Mirus should be a good choice, specially if the OP already likes the HAT Imagines in front.

I was thinking for road noise, he said driving down the highway in general.

nstillmatic
12-03-2013, 10:36 AM
Road noise is not really a problem, it's just the wind from having the windows down at higher speeds (highway). I am impressed with the Imagine's up front (especially SQ). Wouldn't the pro audio style of the Neo Pro 6.5"s work better in the rear for this application than Mirus? I am satisfied with the Imagine set, but wouldn't something with more punch be ideal for the back?

trumpet
12-03-2013, 10:41 AM
A pro audio type of speaker has a lot greater efficiency than standard speakers, so with much less power they will be equally as loud as your front speakers. What I'm getting at is adding PA speakers in the rear is going to pull the sound to the back hard.

Bcruze1
12-03-2013, 11:11 AM
Road noise is not really a problem, it's just the wind from having the windows down at higher speeds (highway). I am impressed with the Imagine's up front (especially SQ). Wouldn't the pro audio style of the Neo Pro 6.5"s work better in the rear for this application than Mirus? I am satisfied with the Imagine set, but wouldn't something with more punch be ideal for the back?

Sorry for hijacking the thread, im in a same situation as the thread starter, i also want something loud enough that can be heard even when window is down.
Is The DLS C6A components ok for it which has 93 db/1w/1m & 60 w rms Upto 90 w max. I will be powering them wid Phoenix gold Z500.4 amp @ 75 w rms. These will be 2 in front & 2 in the rear. Will it be loud???

nstillmatic
12-03-2013, 11:40 AM
A pro audio type of speaker has a lot greater efficiency than standard speakers, so with much less power they will be equally as loud as your front speakers. What I'm getting at is adding PA speakers in the rear is going to pull the sound to the back hard.

Which would you suggest then for a windows down situation? I get that PA speakers in the rear will be higher volume but wouldn't that be the best way to combat the wind? I have a dedicated EQ with F/R knob for easily adjusting the fade back and forth.

Sundown Neo Pro v2 6.5":
http://www.woofersetc.com/p-11829-pair-of-neopro-65-v2-4-sundown-audio-65-180w-4-ohm-midrange-speaker.aspx

HAT Mirus M61-2 6.5":
http://store.12velectronics.com/mirus-m61-2-coaxial-speaker-set/

jrdnhsnbrg
12-03-2013, 11:44 AM
Don't put PA speakers in the back, that's the opposite of what you want to accomplish here. Put the PAs in the front and move your current ones to the back if you REALLY want rear fill, but I'd sell your current ones and get 2 sets of PAs in the front before I added amplified rear fill.

trumpet
12-03-2013, 11:45 AM
Which would you suggest then for a windows down situation? I get that PA speakers in the rear will be higher volume but wouldn't that be the best way to combat the wind? I have a dedicated EQ with F/R knob for easily adjusting the fade back and forth.

It would definitely be louder, but if you don't like how it sounds then you just have it louder. I'm really not the guy to talk to about PA speakers as if I can have it my way I will never use them. You may likely need to correct the sound with EQ, and you don't have a way with your equipment listed in your signature to attack just the rear speakers.

mlstrass
12-04-2013, 11:45 AM
I would not get the neo's if you decide on PA speakers, better out there for less $$$.

Personally I'd do the HAT coax speakers in back with a PAC LC1 to turn them down/off when driving around with windows up...