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WhatsAminiTruck
10-09-2013, 04:35 PM
Alright, I'm eventually going to have two sundown neopro 8s or 6.5s in my doors along with two SA-12s in the back.

But for the next step, I can only afford to get one pair of neopros. I'm wanting to have one 8, and one 6.5 next to each other in each door. Would that cause any problems? Or would it be beneficial in any way? as in like... idk, higher "range" of sound or something? Or should I just go with two 8s


Also, how much bass am I going to get out of these things? I'm just curious as I'm impatient for my subs :)

DropDownLowYota
10-09-2013, 04:47 PM
Just wanted to say i have an 8 per door and they sound amazing and they do get low and the sq is brilliant haha. love listening to them everyday!

WhatsAminiTruck
10-09-2013, 11:08 PM
I can't fit 8s in my door! Oh noooooo :(

jaeguerra909
10-10-2013, 03:05 AM
Just wanted to say i have an 8 per door and they sound amazing and they do get low and the sq is brilliant haha. love listening to them everyday!

Lol just curious how do they have sq? Love my sundown of course but they are a pa loudspeaker they really arent meant to have much sq

WhatsAminiTruck
10-10-2013, 08:41 PM
Well, it depends on your opinion of SQ... I like the pro drivers because they can get so loud without becoming distorted, and sht00f.
That's all the quality I need! :D

Jeffdachef
10-10-2013, 08:49 PM
Well, it depends on your opinion of SQ... I like the pro drivers because they can get so loud without becoming distorted, and sht00f.
That's all the quality I need! :D

and you say 15 inch woofers have less SQ than 12s....

WhatsAminiTruck
10-10-2013, 08:51 PM
Lmao, get over it.

mlstrass
10-11-2013, 03:30 AM
Do a single 8 or 2 6.5's per door, either will easily keep up with your substage. As for SQ they are one of my least favorite PA mids out there...

WhatsAminiTruck
10-18-2013, 02:51 PM
Do a single 8 or 2 6.5's per door, either will easily keep up with your substage. As for SQ they are one of my least favorite PA mids out there...

What is your favorite SQ PA mid?

bbeljefe
10-18-2013, 03:12 PM
Like any speaker in a car door, they need to be in doors that are dead and they need processing in order to get the best out of them. I have 8s in my doors and will be adding two more, although I'll probably go with CT Sounds' PA 8s once they ship.

The Neo Pros, like other sundown drivers, handle more power than they're rated for, get loud and have excellent sound quality in properly deadened doors with processing.

Although it's not as critical in door speakers as subs, I wouldn't recommend different sizes in the same air space.

As for bass, they are mid bass drivers, not woofers and not subwoofers. You might be able to squeeze some bass out of them at 60Hz and low volumes but I wouldn't push them any lower on any reasonable amount of power.

WhatsAminiTruck
10-18-2013, 03:31 PM
Like any speaker in a car door, they need to be in doors that are dead and they need processing in order to get the best out of them. I have 8s in my doors and will be adding two more, although I'll probably go with CT Sounds' PA 8s once they ship.

The Neo Pros, like other sundown drivers, handle more power than they're rated for, get loud and have excellent sound quality in properly deadened doors with processing.

Although it's not as critical in door speakers as subs, I wouldn't recommend different sizes in the same air space.

As for bass, they are mid bass drivers, not woofers and not subwoofers. You might be able to squeeze some bass out of them at 60Hz and low volumes but I wouldn't push them any lower on any reasonable amount of power.


I know they're not subs, but I've heard 'no bass' mids in cars that have the bass coming from the back, and it just sounds weird. It's like a horn like sound from the front, and all the bass coming from the back... I want to know if the PA mids will like, even it out a bit?

bbeljefe
10-18-2013, 03:39 PM
I know they're not subs, but I've heard 'no bass' mids in cars that have the bass coming from the back, and it just sounds weird. It's like a horn like sound from the front, and all the bass coming from the back... I want to know if the PA mids will like, even it out a bit?

The 8s do very well with mid bass so long as you give them some power and a dead door. And the 6.5s will do near as well I would imagine.

mlstrass
10-19-2013, 02:39 AM
I run seleniums and have good luck with them with minimal EQ work. Sundowns seem to break up/distort on the higher midrange freqs, at least in the 3 set ups I've heard.

I run PA in my daily, wife's mini van, and my demo set up. All 3 sound quite good IMO...

T3mpest
10-24-2013, 11:30 AM
I run seleniums and have good luck with them with minimal EQ work. Sundowns seem to break up/distort on the higher midrange freqs, at least in the 3 set ups I've heard.

I run PA in my daily, wife's mini van, and my demo set up. All 3 sound quite good IMO...

It's because of their fairly low efficiency. For a "pro audio" driver, they really aren't that efficient so they are going to run into issues faster in the midrange when you really begin to dump some power onto them, as opposed to a speaker 3-5db more efficient. I believe it was because Jacob was trying to get a bit more 60-80hz performance out of them as opposed to the very low q pro audio drivers, which general have problems below 100hz (although they destroy anything else above that point IME)

mlstrass
10-25-2013, 03:18 AM
It's because of their fairly low efficiency. For a "pro audio" driver, they really aren't that efficient so they are going to run into issues faster in the midrange when you really begin to dump some power onto them, as opposed to a speaker 3-5db more efficient. I believe it was because Jacob was trying to get a bit more 60-80hz performance out of them as opposed to the very low q pro audio drivers, which general have problems below 100hz (although they destroy anything else above that point IME)

Yep, same with PRV's and PWX's, they also don't get very loud without breaking up, but have a little more low end output. I've messed with most of the PA stuff out there...

bbeljefe
10-25-2013, 03:35 AM
It's because of their fairly low efficiency. For a "pro audio" driver, they really aren't that efficient so they are going to run into issues faster in the midrange when you really begin to dump some power onto them, as opposed to a speaker 3-5db more efficient. I believe it was because Jacob was trying to get a bit more 60-80hz performance out of them as opposed to the very low q pro audio drivers, which general have problems below 100hz (although they destroy anything else above that point IME)


That's an interesting observation. I've not found TS parameters published for these drivers and have been wondering about them since I got them. But since then, I've bought a DATS and I think I'll pull one tomorrow and see what it reports, because I've not experienced the problems you mentioned.

mlstrass
10-25-2013, 03:39 AM
I know the PRV Neo's are listed as 89dB efficiency, so not exactly PA territory. Never bothered to check on the Sundown or Crescendo mids...

T3mpest
10-25-2013, 09:38 AM
That's an interesting observation. I've not found TS parameters published for these drivers and have been wondering about them since I got them. But since then, I've bought a DATS and I think I'll pull one tomorrow and see what it reports, because I've not experienced the problems you mentioned.
When they first launched I asked Jacob.. may have even been before launch.. IIRC they are 92db/1w/1m. That's a good sensitivity overall for a speaker as a 2 way if you want it to be louder than most stuff bit still get down to 80hz.. however if your used to full on pro audio that can be as much as 6db higher well that means your putting 4x the power on the speaker to get the same midrange output. Also not sure about shorting rings.. many mid to High end PA uses them and it does help keep the midrange clean.. if your used to speakers that utilize them often non LE optimized drivers sound a bit ragged in the mids.

The neo.mids we're built well for their target groups specific app, but not everyone's cup of tea

bbeljefe
10-25-2013, 09:42 PM
When they first launched I asked Jacob.. may have even been before launch.. IIRC they are 92db/1w/1m. That's a good sensitivity overall for a speaker as a 2 way if you want it to be louder than most stuff bit still get down to 80hz.. however if your used to full on pro audio that can be as much as 6db higher well that means your putting 4x the power on the speaker to get the same midrange output. Also not sure about shorting rings.. many mid to High end PA uses them and it does help keep the midrange clean.. if your used to speakers that utilize them often non LE optimized drivers sound a bit ragged in the mids.

The neo.mids we're built well for their target groups specific app, but not everyone's cup of tea

That's pretty close. DATS read 93.51dB on a "broken in" Neo Pro 8 from my door. And I would agree with Jacob in making sure they work well at and just below 80 Hz. Fs on this driver is 81.42 so it's pretty much where it needs to be for a car audio door speaker. So they may not work flying in a cabinet above the dance floor in a nightclub but then, they're only "PA" speakers in that they mimic the build style of PA speakers. In the end, they're car audio drivers and so far, I've had no issues with mine dumping 300 watts each on them, which is double rated power.

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