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Spooney
09-24-2013, 01:49 AM
Well I very recently bought an amp from trenton. Amp in question is a MMATS D50HC being sold as blown. The amp is described as missing some fets and resistors but repairable . Claims he bought it off of ebay a couple months ago in this condition. Check the for sale thread out here :

http://www.caraudio.com/forums/amplifier-classifieds/591821-blown-mmats-d50hc.html

If you read into the thread you can see where I asked if the amp had all the screws for the heatsink and fets and trenton replied with " I have all of the screws for the board to heatsink an most screws to the mosfets but washers were cracked . Other than that they are just Allen heads you can get at home depot"

Ok no big deal right? I need to replace some fets and resistors and buy a few screws according to what the seller is telling me.

So the amp shows up today and upon closer inspection the amp is missing way more parts than were described. Not only is it missing fets and resistors it is missing capacitors, a hard to find multi turn potentiometer , thermistor for the thermal protection circuit (also hard to find), the nuts and insulators for the rca jacks, knob for the gain/crossover control, etc. Definitely more missing than was stated and also I only received about half of the heatsink screws when he says right in the thread he has them.

In addition to this the board has been all but destroyed by a previous repair attempt. Many of the solder pads are badly damaged or missing altogether. Also somebody has attempted to remove the transformer and left it unsoldered which was not mentioned.

Here are pics of the amp as I received it today:

(Pay close attention to these)
http://i664.photobucket.com/albums/vv10/jsb4251981/20130924_002859_zpseb2f11fc.jpg (http://s664.photobucket.com/user/jsb4251981/media/20130924_002859_zpseb2f11fc.jpg.html)

http://i664.photobucket.com/albums/vv10/jsb4251981/20130924_002416_zps6d0d3f49.jpg (http://s664.photobucket.com/user/jsb4251981/media/20130924_002416_zps6d0d3f49.jpg.html)

Make note of the number engraved on the bottom of the amp in the upper right hand corner of the pic above.


http://i664.photobucket.com/albums/vv10/jsb4251981/20130924_002234_zps6953bed2.jpg (http://s664.photobucket.com/user/jsb4251981/media/20130924_002234_zps6953bed2.jpg.html)

http://i664.photobucket.com/albums/vv10/jsb4251981/20130924_002221_zps2b41d31c.jpg (http://s664.photobucket.com/user/jsb4251981/media/20130924_002221_zps2b41d31c.jpg.html)

http://i664.photobucket.com/albums/vv10/jsb4251981/20130924_002156_zpsb50571b2.jpg (http://s664.photobucket.com/user/jsb4251981/media/20130924_002156_zpsb50571b2.jpg.html)

http://i664.photobucket.com/albums/vv10/jsb4251981/20130924_002129_zpsa1ebdae5.jpg (http://s664.photobucket.com/user/jsb4251981/media/20130924_002129_zpsa1ebdae5.jpg.html)

A few badly damaged/missing solder pads seen here. Notice these blue capacitors here too.



So the amp isn't what I expected at all and I contact trenton and he seems ready to help but there is a problem. I start scanning his previous post and I find that this amp has been for sale before IN WORKING CONDITION. No big deal except for the fact that he told me he bought the amp blown from ebay and sold it to me in the condition he received it. Seems kinda sketchy. Why would you lie about that unless there was something to hide?

Here are a couple for sale threads for this same amp that I found here and on caco ( Caco name is insaneNmembrane):

Caco thread 7/04/13: FS:Mmats d50hc modded 1800rms (in protect) - Car Audio Classifieds (http://www.caraudioclassifieds.org/forum/broken-non-working-equipment/154802-fs-mmats-d50hc-modded-1800rms-protect.html)

Notice here at first he says it is in protect and then later in the thread its working fine. Notice in the pics the blue caps just like the amp I have here(this is not typical for mmats amps) and the messy gray insulator tape under the middle row of fets towards the bottom of the pic. HMMM that looks very similar to the amp I have here that was allegedly bought from ebay and sold to me in the same condition as he received it. Apparently working fine here. Notice the third pic where you can see his username from here in the pic ( goes to show its the same guy) . Also notice on the upper right hand corner of the heatsink in that pic there is a number engraved into the bottom lip of the heatsink. This number coincides with the amp I have here. So same caps, same gray insulator tape, and same number engraved into the heatsink. And oh yeah notice how all the parts are in this amp here .

Ca.com thread 7/08/13 : http://www.caraudio.com/forums/amplifier-classifieds/582066-mmats-d50hc-modded-1800-rms.html

Selling the amp as working here . Again you can see in the pics the blue caps and the gray insulator tape under those fets. Can't see the number engraved into the heatsink as his username is covering it. So again the amp that he says he bought in the condition he sold it to me in is shown here complete and working.

Ca.com thread 9/10/13: http://www.caraudio.com/forums/amplifier-classifieds/591407-oldschool-amps-some-parts-others-work-priced-sell.html

Here the amp is being sold as blown. Says a buddy took a shot at repairing it. It is in the exact condition I received it in. Notice all the missing parts. Notice the blue caps, the gray insulator tape, and the number engraved into the bottom lip of the heatsink.


Ok so here is my big gripe. I understand the amp was blown. It did not however arrive to me in the condition trenton stated it was in. Not only that trenton lied to me about how he acquired the amp. Maybe he bought it from ebay but it was working or at least had all the parts at one point. Why would he lie and tell me he received it in just as I did ? He told me it was in the same state that I received it in when he acquired it which is obviously a lie. Is he trying to cover something up? Something tells me he knows this amp is not repairable yet he still sold it as such. I have text messages from him I can post where he tries to convince me that this is not the same amp even though the pics tell a different story. Another sketchy move. You know its the same amp. Why try to convince me otherwise?

I will say that he did make several offers to attempt to make this right one of which was another blown amp. At this point I can't feel comfortable with any equipment I get from him.

Silverado SS
09-24-2013, 04:04 AM
Good to know, spooney also has many refs

Spooney
09-24-2013, 12:30 PM
Just want to put it out there that I have filed a paypal dispute. I informed trenton last night that I did not want anything from him other than a refund.

slam
09-24-2013, 12:35 PM
Not trying to be a dbag but why didnt you get gut pics before purchase?

shauncox26
09-24-2013, 12:57 PM
Dang spooney hate to see that. I thought about getting that thing glad i didn't.

05fronty
09-24-2013, 01:12 PM
Wow worthless spooney

Spooney
09-24-2013, 02:02 PM
Not trying to be a dbag but why didnt you get gut pics before purchase?

I did get gut pics. They are still in the thread if anyone cares to look. They weren't good quality enough to see the extent of the damage and me being a trusting person took his word that it was only missing what he stated. He knew or at least claimed that it was working at one point which can be seen if you check out the threads I posted however when it was listed this time he says he bought it off of ebay in the condition it is now in which is a lie. I haven't even pulled the board to see how bad the bottom is and I really don't care to. It didn't arrive in the condition it was stated to be in.

neo_styles
09-24-2013, 02:08 PM
Bad break, man. Is it even worth the cost of repair to keep it?

Spooney
09-24-2013, 02:36 PM
Bad break, man. Is it even worth the cost of repair to keep it?

In my opinion it isn't . Somebody replaced all of the power supply and output fets but swapped their locations. So ps fets in the output section and output fets in the power supply and the output driver IC was installed backwards in its socket. No telling how much damage was done there. The only guaranteed fix in my eyes is if I sent it to MMATS and thats a 225 dollar repair with no warranty due to the amps age. I can get a working version of this same amp for about the same price.

neo_styles
09-24-2013, 02:41 PM
In my opinion it isn't . Somebody replaced all of the power supply and output fets but swapped their locations. So ps fets in the output section and output fets in the power supply and the output driver IC was installed backwards in its socket. No telling how much damage was done there. The only guaranteed fix in my eyes is if I sent it to MMATS and thats a 225 dollar repair with no warranty due to the amps age. I can get a working version of this same amp for about the same price.

Sorry to hear it, man. If you want a pair of Sony ES 2-channels to tithe you over, PM me and we can work something out. These I can assure are in great working order.

Spooney
09-24-2013, 06:05 PM
Sorry to hear it, man. If you want a pair of Sony ES 2-channels to tithe you over, PM me and we can work something out. These I can assure are in great working order.

I appreciate that man but its really not necessary. I have other stuff. Just was hoping to get another MMATS amp going. This one is a little too far gone though I think.

neo_styles
09-24-2013, 06:09 PM
I appreciate that man but its really not necessary. I have other stuff. Just was hoping to get another MMATS amp going. This one is a little too far gone though I think.

Not a problem. And, yeah, a LOT of issues on that board.

Jes 42
09-24-2013, 07:33 PM
I appreciate that man but its really not necessary. I have other stuff. Just was hoping to get another MMATS amp going. This one is a little too far gone though I think.
Spooney ; dam sorry to see this.You're one of the best dudes on this forum.This wont go unnoticed at all. trenton ; Just do the refund and save some face.At least show you're honest in some way.Maybe people would still deal with you.If not,you may as well delete your account and move on.Hope this gets worked out guys.

trenton
09-25-2013, 07:38 AM
I didn't denie that it wasnt the same amp. I had a bulk amount of these amps an explained that to you
I didn't say I wouldn't refund you I was just trying to see if we could settle something by willing to send you a working or non working amp an you just keeping the mmats instead of going through the trouble to ship back
Otherwise I will refund your money
This is the only sale I've ever had that went wrong
All I can really do is be sorry an give your either your money back or work out another deal
I've sold to many on here without issues
I sold the amp for 60 because it was a parts amps sorry it was taken another way
Spooney il have the 60 sent back to you by Thursday afternoon ok

Spooney
09-25-2013, 07:54 AM
I didn't denie that it wasnt the same amp. I had a bulk amount of these amps an explained that to you
I didn't say I wouldn't refund you I was just trying to see if we could settle something by willing to send you a working or non working amp an you just keeping the mmats instead of going through the trouble to ship back
Otherwise I will refund your money
This is the only sale I've ever had that went wrong
All I can really do is be sorry an give your either your money back or work out another deal
I've sold to many on here without issues
I sold the amp for 60 because it was a parts amps sorry it was taken another way
Spooney il have the 60 sent back to you by Thursday afternoon ok



At any rate I am not here to argue about it. The amp did not arrive as stated and was missing things you said were there. As soon as I see that money back I will have this thing back on its way to you.

Spooney
09-27-2013, 12:28 PM
Refund has been issued. Amp will be back on its way to trenton shortly. I will post pics here as proof that the amp is being returned.

basswiigee
09-27-2013, 12:41 PM
Refund has been issued. Amp will be back on its way to trenton shortly. I will post pics here as proof that the amp is being returned.

good to hear things worked out...

trenton
09-27-2013, 02:45 PM
Man I believe you
I'm not some scammer that you think I am
I'm sooty about the issue but I've done all I can to make it right

Spooney
09-29-2013, 08:04 PM
Man I believe you
I'm not some scammer that you think I am
I'm sooty about the issue but I've done all I can to make it right

Trenton,
I need your address man if you want this amp back. Its all packaged up and ready to go. Just need to know where to send it. I appreciate the quick turn around on the refund.

Spooney
10-01-2013, 11:11 AM
Trenton has not provided me with shipping info so the amp is still in my posession however I have not actually received that refund as of yet either. Just got this from paypal today:




Hello John Bennett,

An eCheck payment from trenton stanton was declined by the sender's bank. We will automatically try to process this payment again in 3 business days. It then usually takes 3-5 days for the money to be deposited into your account. Please do not ship items until you receive payment.

eCheck details:


Amount: $63.00 USD
Transaction ID: 4JR613074R197340W
Sender: trenton stanton
Sender's email: trentstanton7@gmail.com


Thanks,

PayPal

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silvercookie
10-01-2013, 11:58 AM
Wow what a flaming homo.

I have to PM you later. I have a couple of probably blown amps im about to throw out, figured you might be interested in them.
Actually if you could PM me your cell # that would be awesome. I don't come around the forums as frequently.

SPLaudio
10-01-2013, 12:05 PM
wow

Spooney
10-01-2013, 12:57 PM
Wow what a flaming homo.

I have to PM you later. I have a couple of probably blown amps im about to throw out, figured you might be interested in them.
Actually if you could PM me your cell # that would be awesome. I don't come around the forums as frequently.

Will do man. Thanks.

murph
10-01-2013, 01:46 PM
E-checks are a sign of a scammer.

Spooney
10-01-2013, 01:52 PM
E-checks are a sign of a scammer.

I didn't even know they still did those. Got an email a few days back saying the refund was pending but it never said anything about an e-check. I am sure paypal will take care of me one way or the other.

Spooney
10-05-2013, 04:58 PM
As of today I still have not received a refund from trenton ; . Starting to wonder when/if paypal is going to step in and refund me.

trenton
10-06-2013, 11:21 AM
You've got to be kidding. The refund has been deducted from my account. In which was not sent as an echeck
Will take pictures

basswiigee
10-06-2013, 11:47 AM
any time you pay out of your actual bank account or credit card/debit card it says Echeck... as it takes days for it to clear to like a check, i've been refunded several times via echeck and it was fine, he did not have the funds to cover the withdrawl... and pictures is pointless trenton; unless it says completed next to the transaction, they always show the withdrawl amount on your paypal instantly, once it says completed next to it, then its done, he'll get his funds... this is crazy to have this big ordeal over 60.00, plus spooneys a solid guy, and i've talked with you on several occasions... it wasn't what he expected/wanted, refund the man, and move on, next time you sale make sure you take more in depth photos, and tell them every little thing, and for the love of god, if you don't know what your doing don't attempt to fiddle around in the stuff... i sold lots of broken stuff... but i never attempt to fix it cuz i don't know what the hell i'm doing....it only makes things worse, I hope you guys get this straight... call paypal.... i call 'em all the time they get sh1t straight, they even called usps for me on my behalf and got me a damage refund with out even taking the sh1t to the post office allowing me to resale it!!! lol I really hope you guys get this sh1t worked out...

Spooney
10-06-2013, 11:53 AM
You've got to be kidding. The refund has been deducted from my account. In which was not sent as an echeck
Will take pictures

Paypal would automatically close the dispute if the money had been refunded which they have not done. Maybe it has left your bank but it hasnt hit my paypal yet. Not sure why the first e check didnt clear but my only guess is that the money wasn't there .

Spooney
10-12-2013, 12:02 AM
Just wanted to drop in and say that as of today I have officially received the refund from trenton. Money hit my account this morning. trenton ; if you want this amp back you need to send me your address.

Spooney
11-09-2013, 01:45 AM
Last call for trenton; PM me so we can talk about getting this thing back to you (I tried to PM you but your box is full) or I can just hold onto it for parts. Get at me please. Thanks

Spooney
12-14-2013, 03:24 PM
I still have yet to hear any word from trenton; about his address or if he even wants this amp back. Seems he hasn't logged on since November 9th . For now it sits packaged up ready to be returned.

audiobaun
12-14-2013, 03:47 PM
I still have yet to hear any word from trenton; about his address or if he even wants this amp back. Seems he hasn't logged on since November 9th . For now it sits packaged up ready to be returned.

I went through a bunch of BS with a Nine1,and Nine2 amp this year, and didn't hear back from the guy till late,and got tired of looking at them and got tired of being them sitting on my table..I threw them in the trash! Guy was asking if Id pay half to ship 2 bunk amps to another destination,in which put me as a bad sender/slam my reputation.I got someones Scammed Junk is what it amounted too.

audiobaun
12-14-2013, 03:50 PM
Apparently the guy doesn't want them Spoon..I know your reputation as a Buyer,Seller and as a Trades,and as a Friend,.I wouldn't hold it against you at all to Trash it,or part it up.

av83
12-14-2013, 04:06 PM
Shoot, the D300hc you got from me was pretty nice compared to this fiasco... and it was, what, $40 or something? Glad you got your refund tho.

Jes 42
12-14-2013, 04:41 PM
I went through a bunch of BS with a Nine1,and Nine2 amp this year, and didn't hear back from the guy till late,and got tired of looking at them and got tired of being them sitting on my table..I threw them in the trash! Guy was asking if Id pay half to ship 2 bunk amps to another destination,in which put me as a bad sender/slam my reputation.I got someones Scammed Junk is what it amounted too.
You or Spooney's rep could never be tarnished by turds!!Carry on..lol

Spooney
12-14-2013, 04:48 PM
Shoot, the D300hc you got from me was pretty nice compared to this fiasco... and it was, what, $40 or something? Glad you got your refund tho.

Yeah that was a dream compared to this. I still use that thing occasionally. I have yet to pull that transformer and find the short in it. She work 99% of the time. Actually last time I used it she was installed for like a month or two without one hiccup. I may have that transformer secured well enough now to where it won't be a problem but I still plan on pulling it when I have the time. Maybe I should just pulled the transformers from this other one that is trashed anyway and use them in the one I got from you. Would essentially turn it into a D50HC at that point.

av83
12-15-2013, 01:54 AM
Yeah that was a dream compared to this. I still use that thing occasionally. I have yet to pull that transformer and find the short in it. She work 99% of the time. Actually last time I used it she was installed for like a month or two without one hiccup. I may have that transformer secured well enough now to where it won't be a problem but I still plan on pulling it when I have the time. Maybe I should just pulled the transformers from this other one that is trashed anyway and use them in the one I got from you. Would essentially turn it into a D50HC at that point.

Might as well as long as this guy isn't trying to get it back. Not sure what he'd do with it anyways...

Spooney
12-15-2013, 05:25 AM
Might as well as long as this guy isn't trying to get it back. Not sure what he'd do with it anyways...

Looks like he attempted a repair on it and screwed it up. Output fets and power supply fets are in the wrong place and missing any kind of insulators underneath them. Missing a multi turn pot and a partially unsoldered transformer and god knows what else. His claim was his buddy worked on it but I noticed he was selling a lot of amps that needed work or were missing parts and I am pretty sure he slipped up on caco and told me he repaired an amp(maybe even this same one) after posting it as blown when I called him on the price being a bit high. I am thinking he knew it was trash and sold it hoping nobody would call him on it and just sold it to the wrong cat LOL. Maybe I just say screw it and pay mmats 250 to repair it as it is too good of an amp to be left to die. Its missing and has more questionable parts than I care to take the gamble on. At least if I pay mmats 250 they will resurrect it but will not offer a warranty due to the age.

pickup1
12-15-2013, 07:41 AM
But is that worth the $250 if you have it fixed?

Spooney
12-15-2013, 10:36 AM
But is that worth the $250 if you have it fixed?

It would be a wash in the end. Might be able to squeak 300 or more out of it on ebay. I just hate seeing an amp laying there knowing it could be resurrected.

eg9
12-15-2013, 09:01 PM
I might still have his address if you really want to send the amp back.

I'll try and hunt for it tomorrow, pretty sure I saved it and stuck it in my tool box.

eg9
12-15-2013, 09:03 PM
You can find him posting his junk on Craigslist Charlotte, NC area. I've seen him on there with an older Zapco amp last week trying to sell it.

Spooney
12-18-2013, 01:44 PM
I might still have his address if you really want to send the amp back.

I'll try and hunt for it tomorrow, pretty sure I saved it and stuck it in my tool box.

PM it to me if you do still have it. Thanks

audiobaun
12-18-2013, 03:13 PM
I might still have his address if you really want to send the amp back.

I'll try and hunt for it tomorrow, pretty sure I saved it and stuck it in my tool box.

People move frequently,and there is no guarantee he still lives at the address you have.I think FULL contact of the two parties is crucial,or some old lady will get it on her porch and end up trashing it anyways not knowing what it is.

audiobaun
12-18-2013, 03:15 PM
You can find him posting his junk on Craigslist Charlotte, NC area. I've seen him on there with an older Zapco amp last week trying to sell it.

There you go..I guess he has been exposed on most of the Forums as selling,as you stated..JUNK,and has to sell on CList to scam locals..Quick Cash N Run

cfox10
12-18-2013, 03:17 PM
People move frequently,and there is no guarantee he still lives at the address you have.I think FULL contact of the two parties is crucial,or some old lady will get it on her porch and end up trashing it anyways not knowing what it is.

What if the person who lives there now is an amp genius? They fix the amp and return to sender for free. Tis' the season. ;) :santa:

audiobaun
12-18-2013, 03:23 PM
:imstupid::ohsnap::bsflag:
What if the person who lives there now is an amp genius? They fix the amp and return to sender for free. Tis' the season. ;) :santa:
Hmm Really?

cfox10
12-18-2013, 03:29 PM
:imstupid::ohsnap::bsflag:
Hmm Really?


Lol, it was a joke... obv. seller couldn't fix it to begin with so he's prolly gonna junk it if it goes to his house anyway. It is totally possible that some old lady gets it in the mail and tosses it away like you said, who knows.

audiobaun
12-19-2013, 01:30 AM
Lol, it was a joke... obv. seller couldn't fix it to begin with so he's prolly gonna junk it if it goes to his house anyway. It is totally possible that some old lady gets it in the mail and tosses it away like you said, who knows.

LOL..Just messin with ya man..That old lady has prob got one H e ll of a Cane too..LOL