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WhatsAminiTruck
09-15-2013, 10:32 PM
Alright so, I've decided on pioneer amps and mids for sure, but I'm undecided on my subs.

I was set on the Pioneer champion 12s, but I was advised to go with the Memphis M5 12s instead.

How do the M5s compare to champions? The M5s definitely LOOK beefier.... haha
Keep in mind I'll be paying 350 each for the M5s if I go with them, and 250 each for the pioneers.


(They are going in the back of an extended cab Dakota.)

Side Show
09-15-2013, 10:33 PM
model numbers of subs?

WhatsAminiTruck
09-15-2013, 10:43 PM
TS-W310D4 - 12" Champion Series Subwoofer with Dual 4 © Voice Coils | Pioneer Electronics USA (http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/PUSA/Car/Subwoofers/Champion+Series/TS-W310D4)
TS-W310D4
^Pioneers

M5 Subwoofers from Memphis Car Audio (http://www.memphiscaraudio.com/products/subwoofers/m5-subwoofers/)
15-M512D4
^M5s


Also, I guess this should have gone into the subwoofer category eh?

Side Show
09-15-2013, 10:56 PM
m5... out of those two

Side Show
09-15-2013, 10:56 PM
m5... out of those two

bgowdy31
09-15-2013, 11:01 PM
Alright so, I've decided on pioneer amps and mids for sure, but I'm undecided on my subs.

I was set on the Pioneer champion 12s, but I was advised to go with the Memphis M5 12s instead.

How do the M5s compare to champions? The M5s definitely LOOK beefier.... haha
Keep in mind I'll be paying 350 each for the M5s if I go with them, and 250 each for the pioneers.


(They are going in the back of an extended cab Dakota.)

honestly i would have went with memphis amps over pioneer

bgowdy31
09-15-2013, 11:01 PM
Alright so, I've decided on pioneer amps and mids for sure, but I'm undecided on my subs.

I was set on the Pioneer champion 12s, but I was advised to go with the Memphis M5 12s instead.

How do the M5s compare to champions? The M5s definitely LOOK beefier.... haha
Keep in mind I'll be paying 350 each for the M5s if I go with them, and 250 each for the pioneers.


(They are going in the back of an extended cab Dakota.)

honestly i would have went with memphis amps over pioneer

WhatsAminiTruck
09-15-2013, 11:03 PM
Why the M5s? The pioneers specs are better, and they are cheaper.

Side Show
09-15-2013, 11:16 PM
like most things mate, you'll get what you pay for. if it's cheap there is usually a reason for that.

WhatsAminiTruck
09-15-2013, 11:19 PM
So that's the only reason you would go with the M5s? Because they are more expensive?

Loudmp5
09-15-2013, 11:26 PM
So that's the only reason you would go with the M5s? Because they are more expensive?

Just buy my sa8s

Side Show
09-15-2013, 11:28 PM
to look at it, it's a better made sub......... better quality build ect. either way both are mid-range subs

WhatsAminiTruck
09-15-2013, 11:32 PM
How do you know it's better made? Because its more expensive?

WhatsAminiTruck
09-15-2013, 11:34 PM
Just buy my sa8s

Eh, what's an sa8?

Side Show
09-15-2013, 11:39 PM
meh, it looks a lot better built, decent basket, magnet on show, decent terminals, and actually rms rating..... the previous model of the pioneer was the tws307d2/d4 and I sold a lot of these subs, pretty much all of them were over drivin and blown after weeks from customers cranking them and expecting more from them.

Side Show
09-15-2013, 11:43 PM
what part of the pioneer specs are better than the m5?

WhatsAminiTruck
09-15-2013, 11:49 PM
meh, it looks a lot better built, decent basket, magnet on show, decent terminals, and actually rms rating..... the previous model of the pioneer was the tws307d2/d4 and I sold a lot of these subs, pretty much all of them were over drivin and blown after weeks from customers cranking them and expecting more from them.

Now that response was actually inciteful :)
I'll look into them a bit more, but I'll probably end up going with the M5s.... I'll be running them pretty hard

Do you know any subs that you would trust even more than the M5s? Around their price range?



what part of the pioneer specs are better than the m5?
Frequency, RMS, and the pioneers are a bit shallower... although that doesn't really make them better

Side Show
09-15-2013, 11:58 PM
M5 RMS = 600
PIONEER = 400

for the money your looking at spending these two are pretty good options, also it's worth trying to buy local (for warrenty claim ect) :P

WhatsAminiTruck
09-16-2013, 12:02 AM
M5 RMS = 600
PIONEER = 400

for the money your looking at spending these two are pretty good options, also it's worth trying to buy local (for warrenty claim ect) :P

I was looking at Peaks more... the M5s peak at 1200, and the Pioneers peak at 1400

Also, what does the sensitivity mean? Pioneers has a higher sensitivity...

Side Show
09-16-2013, 12:05 AM
don't look at the peak! look at the continues/RMS pwr..... peak is pretty much a made up number, same as the max output stickers on amps.

basswiigee
09-16-2013, 12:06 AM
Pioneer TS W3002D2 3500w Sub 12" Dual 2 Ohm Champion Pro Car Subwoofer TSW3002D2 012562748702 | eBay (http://www.ebay.com/itm/Pioneer-TS-W3002D2-3500W-Sub-12-Dual-2-ohm-Champion-PRO-Car-Subwoofer-TSW3002D2-/290972907751?pt=Car_Subwoofers_Enclosures&hash=item43bf5638e7)

are these the pioneers your talking about? good subs... can't for the life of me figure out which ones you stated 250 each for? but these are good subs 1000w rms

Side Show
09-16-2013, 12:06 AM
don't look at the peak! look at the continues/RMS pwr..... peak is pretty much a made up number, same as the max output stickers on amps.

basswiigee
09-16-2013, 12:06 AM
Pioneer TS W3002D2 3500w Sub 12" Dual 2 Ohm Champion Pro Car Subwoofer TSW3002D2 012562748702 | eBay (http://www.ebay.com/itm/Pioneer-TS-W3002D2-3500W-Sub-12-Dual-2-ohm-Champion-PRO-Car-Subwoofer-TSW3002D2-/290972907751?pt=Car_Subwoofers_Enclosures&hash=item43bf5638e7)

are these the pioneers your talking about? good subs... can't for the life of me figure out which ones you stated 250 each for? but these are good subs 1000w rms

Side Show
09-16-2013, 12:08 AM
nah that is a decent pioneer sub.

WhatsAminiTruck
09-16-2013, 12:09 AM
Pioneer TS W3002D2 3500w Sub 12" Dual 2 Ohm Champion Pro Car Subwoofer TSW3002D2 012562748702 | eBay (http://www.ebay.com/itm/Pioneer-TS-W3002D2-3500W-Sub-12-Dual-2-ohm-Champion-PRO-Car-Subwoofer-TSW3002D2-/290972907751?pt=Car_Subwoofers_Enclosures&hash=item43bf5638e7)

are these the pioneers your talking about? good subs... can't for the life of me figure out which ones you stated 250 each for? but these are good subs 1000w rms


Lol OOPS! Yea, those are the ones that the guy at the audio shop was showing me.
How do THOSE compare to the M5s? lmao sorry xD

Side Show
09-16-2013, 12:09 AM
(finished) google search mate

they don't compare - end of story!

basswiigee
09-16-2013, 12:10 AM
i can vouch for the subs i set the link for... those champion series you linked, are cheap and about 80 on ebay...

there was a thread on here and people were comparing them to sa12s, and i know they are good subs for the money as i've ran them... their numbers are a bit stretched but good subs, but if your going to pay 250 a sub brother your getting robbed!!!! 250 a sub AQ hdc3 all day brand new from AQ with warrenty and free shipping!!!


pioneer specs

Maximum input power3.500 W
Nominal input power1.000 W
ImpedanceDual 4Ω
Frequency response20 - 150 Hz
Lowest resonance frequency31 Hz
Sensitivity (1W/1m)90 dB
Woofer size30,0 cm
Woofer materialInterlaced Basalt / Carbon Fibre Reinforced IMPP™
Dual 4Ω voice coils: 2 or 8Ω
Voice Coil bobbin typePhenol resin coated glass cloth bobbin
Pole Yoke TypeExtended and Vented pole yoke
MagnetsDouble-stacked, high power
TerminalsPush-type
Recommended sealed enclosure14,2 - 28,3 litres
Surround3-Layer Fiber Woven Radial Surround
Thiele/Small Parameters

WhatsAminiTruck
09-16-2013, 12:17 AM
Yea, those 'pro' ones are definitely the ones I were debating. I remember the cone design :P
Side show, that pioneer has a higher normal RMS thingy :3


And thanks for letting me know, I'll try and get the price down... or I'll just buy them on Ebay and bring them in:)

Side Show
09-16-2013, 12:21 AM
lol yep that's a decent sub.... needs a ported enclosure

basswiigee
09-16-2013, 12:23 AM
Yea, those 'pro' ones are definitely the ones I were debating. I remember the cone design :P
Side show, that pioneer has a higher normal RMS thingy :3

that still isn't whats tripping me out did you read what he's gonna pay a piece for either of those subs... crazy high!!!

WhatsAminiTruck
09-16-2013, 12:30 AM
Okay, I'm definitely gonna research their prices next time I'm there xD
All I knew was that they were way cheaper than audio express... I guess I was gonna get fucked either way.
Thanks for the save lol<3

WhatsAminiTruck
09-16-2013, 12:30 AM
Okay, I'm definitely gonna research their prices next time I'm there xD
All I knew was that they were way cheaper than audio express... I guess I was gonna get fucked either way.
Thanks for the save lol<3

basswiigee
09-16-2013, 12:30 AM
both subs are nice, but neither is worth what you are talking about spending...

basswiigee
09-16-2013, 12:30 AM
both subs are nice, but neither is worth what you are talking about spending...

CaptainMaximus
09-16-2013, 12:55 AM
You asked what subs would be as good in the price range, so imma tell you. I run sundown sa12's and love them, and they would seriously save you some money compared to 350 each for the Memphis m5's (of which I honestly am not that big of a fan of) or heck for that price you could look into some less massively used brands (as compared to kicker alpine rockford fosgate sony mtx etc...)such as obsidian, incrimminator audio, FI, re, earthquake, treo engineering, digital designs(amazing subs), d.a.d, ppi(a dealer named trumpet can help you out on here for pricing and ordering stuff from them, very solid stuff for the price), massive audio, etc... As I tell people all the time who are new to car audio and wanna have an impressive system, go crazy on your brands and don't just get what everybody else has. For example, I'm known around my parts as the dude with the treo engineering subs. Just mix it up bro, hope this helps.

jeffdachef
09-16-2013, 01:51 AM
Yea, those 'pro' ones are definitely the ones I were debating. I remember the cone design :P
Side show, that pioneer has a higher normal RMS thingy :3


And thanks for letting me know, I'll try and get the price down... or I'll just buy them on Ebay and bring them in:)


Seriously dont get them weak and inefficient magnets 1000 rms on them and they wont even get nearly as loud as a sundown SA 8.

jeffdachef
09-16-2013, 01:55 AM
there's cheap subs that over inflate their number, pioneer subs arent good subs. They get mediocre loud and have poor sound quality. Stick with head units when it comes to pioneer man. Lots of better options for that 120-140 price range

WhatsAminiTruck
09-17-2013, 10:23 PM
You asked what subs would be as good in the price range, so imma tell you. I run sundown sa12's and love them, and they would seriously save you some money compared to 350 each for the Memphis m5's (of which I honestly am not that big of a fan of) or heck for that price you could look into some less massively used brands (as compared to kicker alpine rockford fosgate sony mtx etc...)such as obsidian, incrimminator audio, FI, re, earthquake, treo engineering, digital designs(amazing subs), d.a.d, ppi(a dealer named trumpet can help you out on here for pricing and ordering stuff from them, very solid stuff for the price), massive audio, etc... As I tell people all the time who are new to car audio and wanna have an impressive system, go crazy on your brands and don't just get what everybody else has. For example, I'm known around my parts as the dude with the treo engineering subs. Just mix it up bro, hope this helps.


I've heard the Sundowns hit really hard, but I've also heard their range is pathetic.... I want a sub that can hit all levels nicely

winkychevelle
09-17-2013, 10:45 PM
Sundowns are great, memphis is a decent company.

CaptainMaximus
09-17-2013, 10:46 PM
I run an sa-12 in a 2.4 cu box tuned to 36hz in my fiancés Nissan murano and it sounds very good. It is ran off of an old lanzar Optidrive 2.100 not bridged and hits real nice. I recommend em, but there are other options out there to entertain.

WhatsAminiTruck
09-18-2013, 05:11 PM
Buying two SA12s for about $400 total with tax.

Good price or am I still getting fucked? lol

winkychevelle
09-18-2013, 05:23 PM
Buying two SA12s for about $400 total with tax.

Good price or am I still getting fucked? lol

Decent price you usually buy them for 220 each sometimes down to 180 depending on location and dealer

WhatsAminiTruck
09-18-2013, 05:44 PM
Sweet, thanks

cfox10
09-18-2013, 05:58 PM
Thank you for going with Sundown. I have some pioneer champion pros collecting dust because they were terrible. Reaching thermal limits on 1k rms with subsonic set at 25hz. Pathetic.