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Uni-Bear
08-28-2013, 06:37 PM
Looking into purchasing a good set of SQ components for my front stage. What are some recommendations you guys can make? I'm not looking for loudness, looking for audiophile mids and highs. I listen to EVERYTHING so I need something that can keep up.

I have a new set of the Infinity Kappa 60.9cs. I hear they are no good though...

We can call the budget, ahh $300.

The amplifier that I plan on using will more then likely be the CDT Audio SQA-4075.

Thanks

tat2bass
08-28-2013, 06:40 PM
are you ok with buying used? If so, that opens you up to a lot of options. My recommendation around that range would be Focal PS165's.

Uni-Bear
08-28-2013, 06:42 PM
are you ok with buying used? If so, that opens you up to a lot of options. My recommendation around that range would be Focal PS165's.

Used is always an option. I look into those Focals, thanks for the recommendation.

tat2bass
08-28-2013, 06:44 PM
If you go used, I recommend going over to DIYMobileAudio.com and make a WTB thread there. That site is way more SQ oriented than this site. Those guys there would be able to make you more and better recommendations to suite your budget. Here, everyone will just try to sell you what they have available for that price.

tat2bass
08-28-2013, 06:45 PM
I've been getting into SQ more lately and that site has way more to offer in that lane. Here is more SPL. There is a lot of good equipment for sale there also.

Renzone3
08-28-2013, 06:45 PM
Hybrid Audio Technologies(HAT) Imagine is always a good choice in that price range.Thinking of going with those pretty soon.

Shinju
08-28-2013, 06:45 PM
Hybrid Audio Imagine 6.5 set!

Shinju
08-28-2013, 06:53 PM
Or if you want to step it up a notch and add in 100, try the Hybrid Audio Unity Set.

http://store.12velectronics.com/unity/

Shinju
08-28-2013, 06:54 PM
Or if you want to step it up a notch and add in 100, try the Hybrid Audio Unity Set.

http://store.12velectronics.com/unity/

Renzone3
08-28-2013, 06:56 PM
Those Unity components are smexy :yumyum:

trumpet
08-28-2013, 07:08 PM
I have that amp and the CDT MX-2CL set would make a great start for speakers.

Uni-Bear
08-29-2013, 12:51 PM
I have that amp and the CDT MX-2CL set would make a great start for speakers.

I cant seem to find the speakers you mentioned.

trumpet
08-29-2013, 01:58 PM
I cant seem to find the speakers you mentioned.

Sorry, it's not listed online yet. It's like this set except it's a 2-way: MX-3CL (http://cdtdealer.com/easy-way-electronics/mxdesigns/mx3cl.htm)

MillerSHO
08-30-2013, 12:08 PM
I run Hertz HSK 165's and an Audison LRX 2.4 just running passive and it sounds amazing.
You can find deals also, I bought the hertz barely used by a good friend for $200 and the amp I bought brand new for $300 cause the new lineup was coming out.

I listen to all kinds of music and this combo after tuning out some of the upper highs when at max volume sounds amazing to me. I actually enjoy getting into my car and listening to music everyday which is what it's all about IMO.

mylows10
08-30-2013, 12:14 PM
If you like cdt I have the amp and a set of hd 61 a components Or I could do a set of herts dieci's possibly Dls also makes a set in the price point as well as tantric

neo_styles
08-30-2013, 12:33 PM
Aww come on tat2bass ; some of us here are SQeers! Seriously, though, I understand where you're coming from since not everyone who has a penchant for SQ isn't really on here too often (all things in moderation, right?).

If you're looking for a good all-arounder set of components, I would recommend the following:

JBL MS-62C - I have a pretty decent writeup of my impressions of them on here. They work really well if you properly deaden your doors and EXCEL on playing live instruments like acoustic guitars, drums, etc. Not the best at keeping up with artificial bass, so plan to have a sub stage that doesn't mind being crossed higher (100Hz) to make up for the MS woofer's shortfalls. The tweeters on these are HEAVENLY. Like, seriously, the best metal domes I've heard so far. Do extremely well mounted off axis, haven't had a chance to try them on axis yet.

PHD FB 6.1 Pro Kit - Here's where you get your midbass package. Another great all-around woofer that, if you can't have a sub in your setup, will do well enough with producing a good amount of sub-bass frequencies (I can get it to play with authority down to about 45Hz before it starts falling off). These seem to do a little bit better out of the box on staging than the JBL. I currently run the FB mids with my JBL comps (just replaced the MS mid) and they do very well together.

Focal PS165 - Has already been recommended here and for good reason. This is where the Focals start to get good and are a smart choice for those who can't afford the Power or Be series. Polyglass are also well-done woofers. People do complain, though, that the tweeters on these can be very harsh. In all reality, this component set is very install-dependent. You can't just slap these in the stock locations and expect them to not require a TON of EQ to correct for peaky response. The JBLs, actually, are the most forgiving of a sub-par install with the PHD coming in right behind them.

Rainbow SLC - Yes, the brand is called Rainbow. Yes, it sounds corny. But these German-made beasts kinda do everything extremely well. Gives a much warmer sound than most components in the price range with nice, laid back tweets. I actually miss my Rainbows a lot and am still kinda chasing that sound signature.

Pioneer TS-D1720C - The budget diamond in the rough...if you have the ability to go active. Take away the passive crossovers on these and tweak your settings a bit and both the tweet and woofer really start to shine. Of course, if you can support going active, raw drivers are still your best bet.

Uni-Bear
09-05-2013, 02:26 AM
Aww come on tat2bass ; some of us here are SQeers! Seriously, though, I understand where you're coming from since not everyone who has a penchant for SQ isn't really on here too often (all things in moderation, right?).

If you're looking for a good all-arounder set of components, I would recommend the following:

JBL MS-62C - I have a pretty decent writeup of my impressions of them on here. They work really well if you properly deaden your doors and EXCEL on playing live instruments like acoustic guitars, drums, etc. Not the best at keeping up with artificial bass, so plan to have a sub stage that doesn't mind being crossed higher (100Hz) to make up for the MS woofer's shortfalls. The tweeters on these are HEAVENLY. Like, seriously, the best metal domes I've heard so far. Do extremely well mounted off axis, haven't had a chance to try them on axis yet.

PHD FB 6.1 Pro Kit - Here's where you get your midbass package. Another great all-around woofer that, if you can't have a sub in your setup, will do well enough with producing a good amount of sub-bass frequencies (I can get it to play with authority down to about 45Hz before it starts falling off). These seem to do a little bit better out of the box on staging than the JBL. I currently run the FB mids with my JBL comps (just replaced the MS mid) and they do very well together.

Focal PS165 - Has already been recommended here and for good reason. This is where the Focals start to get good and are a smart choice for those who can't afford the Power or Be series. Polyglass are also well-done woofers. People do complain, though, that the tweeters on these can be very harsh. In all reality, this component set is very install-dependent. You can't just slap these in the stock locations and expect them to not require a TON of EQ to correct for peaky response. The JBLs, actually, are the most forgiving of a sub-par install with the PHD coming in right behind them.

Rainbow SLC - Yes, the brand is called Rainbow. Yes, it sounds corny. But these German-made beasts kinda do everything extremely well. Gives a much warmer sound than most components in the price range with nice, laid back tweets. I actually miss my Rainbows a lot and am still kinda chasing that sound signature.

Pioneer TS-D1720C - The budget diamond in the rough...if you have the ability to go active. Take away the passive crossovers on these and tweak your settings a bit and both the tweet and woofer really start to shine. Of course, if you can support going active, raw drivers are still your best bet.

Wow thanks for the great response! I'm planning on completely sound deadening my car. I also just picked up that CDT amp.
I am currently looking into Hybrid, Focal, GermanMAESTRO, and PHD lol guess ill add Rainbow in.
What would you recommend looking for in used condition out of the pricier speakers? Also random question, what do you personally use for sound deadening?

Thanks again for the great info!

Uni-Bear
09-05-2013, 02:27 AM
Also I'm going to be running either 1 or 2 TC Epic 8's

Vertex Audio
09-05-2013, 02:44 AM
Looking into purchasing a good set of SQ components for my front stage. What are some recommendations you guys can make? I'm not looking for loudness, looking for audiophile mids and highs. I listen to EVERYTHING so I need something that can keep up.

I have a new set of the Infinity Kappa 60.9cs. I hear they are no good though...

We can call the budget, ahh $300.

The amplifier that I plan on using will more then likely be the CDT Audio SQA-4075.

Thanks

We have a used Audio Development W60 set. Made in Italy and is a fantastic SQ set. It has been tested and works perfectly. $150 shipped to you!

Side Show
09-05-2013, 03:01 AM
install can make the most expensive and best speakers ever sound like crap..... just a heads up... i'd sound deadin your car first (dynamat ect ect) and see how those infinitys go! they aren't actually too bad of a speaker

zako
09-05-2013, 08:56 AM
Hybrid Audio Technologies(HAT) Imagine is always a good choice in that price range.Thinking of going with those pretty soon.

I think there are great for the money if you run the active with a sharp crossover slope on the tweeters (like 12-24dB at 5000HZ or higher). Right now I tun HAT Imagine active with active crossovers provided by the Pioneer DEH-80PRS head unit. However, I never fully liked HAT Imagine speakers with the stock passive crossovers. Almost certainly, the Focal PS165 are _very_ similar to the HAT Imagine. The woofer cone is made from paper, and the tweeter is very high resonance (like 3000Hz or so) using only a 1st or 2nd order passive crossover. In this setup you want to be able to set a high pass crossover for the tweeter at 5000Hz or maybe higher with a sharp slope. Basically, both, Focan and Imagine, will sound great with active crossover and a lot of tuning. I'd pick JBL MS-62C to run with the stock passive crossovers.

Uni-Bear
09-05-2013, 07:44 PM
I think there are great for the money if you run the active with a sharp crossover slope on the tweeters (like 12-24dB at 5000HZ or higher). Right now I tun HAT Imagine active with active crossovers provided by the Pioneer DEH-80PRS head unit. However, I never fully liked HAT Imagine speakers with the stock passive crossovers. Almost certainly, the Focal PS165 are _very_ similar to the HAT Imagine. The woofer cone is made from paper, and the tweeter is very high resonance (like 3000Hz or so) using only a 1st or 2nd order passive crossover. In this setup you want to be able to set a high pass crossover for the tweeter at 5000Hz or maybe higher with a sharp slope. Basically, both, Focan and Imagine, will sound great with active crossover and a lot of tuning. I'd pick JBL MS-62C to run with the stock passive crossovers.

Okay so here is something I do not understand. When running a SQ system is it best to run Active or Passive?

BTW thank for the great info!

Uni-Bear
09-05-2013, 07:46 PM
install can make the most expensive and best speakers ever sound like crap..... just a heads up... i'd sound deadin your car first (dynamat ect ect) and see how those infinitys go! they aren't actually too bad of a speaker

Yeah that I 110% understand lol. Was looking into the CLD Tiles, pretty expensive though. It will cost me 500ish to do my Jetta. What is a good runner up?

9515ROB
09-06-2013, 01:40 AM
i have a 3 way set of Hybrid Audio legatia. L8, L3, L1. No crossover but im asking 550 shipped. They have only been tested

Uni-Bear
09-06-2013, 02:51 AM
This is currently what I have on hand.

Head Unit - Kenwood KDC-X997
Amplifier - CDT Audio SQA-4075, Yamaha YPA 750
Speakers - Infinity Kappa 60.9cs, MB Quart DKE 108
Subwoofer - TC Epic 8 (2)
Wiring - KnuKonceptz KCA Kable

I plan on putting the Kappa's in the rear deck.

trumpet
09-06-2013, 12:51 PM
Yeah that I 110% understand lol. Was looking into the CLD Tiles, pretty expensive though. It will cost me 500ish to do my Jetta. What is a good runner up?

You don't need to spend anywhere close to $500 on CLD deadener for a Jetta. The purpose of CLD products is to treat flat metal or plastic surfaces to reduce the resonant frequency. While most people do 100% coverage with this type of product it's not the best use of your money.

Uni-Bear
09-06-2013, 03:30 PM
You don't need to spend anywhere close to $500 on CLD deadener for a Jetta. The purpose of CLD products is to treat flat metal or plastic surfaces to reduce the resonant frequency. While most people do 100% coverage with this type of product it's not the best use of your money.
What is your opinion on treating the doors with CLD deadener and the rest of the car with second skin? See my issue is my jetta is a 87 Diesel. So I'm trying to treat it for multiple noise sources :wallbash: One of the reasons to do almost 100%. But I am all open to suggestions.

trumpet
09-06-2013, 03:38 PM
What is your opinion on treating the doors with CLD deadener and the rest of the car with second skin? See my issue is my jetta is a 87 Diesel. So I'm trying to treat it for multiple noise sources :wallbash: One of the reasons to do almost 100%. But I am all open to suggestions.

Spend some time reading Sound Deadener Showdown's site (http://www.sounddeadenershowdown.com). There is a lot of excellent information on sound deadening for the car. You can't use one type of product to treat multiple problems. CLD deadener is not a good sound barrier, like closed cell foam is not good at absorbing sound, and like mass loaded vinyl is not useful to form a gasket. You'll understand once you look at SDS.

Uni-Bear
09-06-2013, 07:07 PM
Spend some time reading Sound Deadener Showdown's site (http://www.sounddeadenershowdown.com). There is a lot of excellent information on sound deadening for the car. You can't use one type of product to treat multiple problems. CLD deadener is not a good sound barrier, like closed cell foam is not good at absorbing sound, and like mass loaded vinyl is not useful to form a gasket. You'll understand once you look at SDS.

From reading his site, which is very informative. I personally understood that if I use the CCF, MLV, and CLD together I could dampen a good amount of sound.
Thats why I said it would be 500 to do my car. Unless I misunderstood his information???
This is definitely the hardest project I've done to date...