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jkok7
08-23-2013, 11:55 PM
Cool video on how I made my component speakers sound amazing!

Dude, Make My Speakers LOUDER! (http://socialmediabar.com/dude-make-my-speakers-louder37)

RoYALbLUE08
08-24-2013, 01:46 AM
does that foam really make a difference. interesting

thehardknoxlife
08-24-2013, 01:16 PM
does that foam really make a difference. interesting

No.

This has no benefit whatsoever. Seriously, what's beneficial from putting rubber foam on the outside edge of the speaker and putting duct tape on the screw holes? Rubber foam doesn't seal air flow, and the screw when inserted properly will seal the holes themselves. Besides that, last time I checked, speakers mount on the backside edge, not the outside edge. There are much better ways to isolate the front from the back that are cheap.

tat2bass
08-24-2013, 01:38 PM
No.

This has no benefit whatsoever. Seriously, what's beneficial from putting rubber foam on the outside edge of the speaker and putting duct tape on the screw holes? Rubber foam doesn't seal air flow, and the screw when inserted properly will seal the holes themselves. Besides that, last time I checked, speakers mount on the backside edge, not the outside edge. There are much better ways to isolate the front from the back that are cheap.

It does have a benefit. As @ keep_hope_alive ; has done in another thread, sealing the front side of the speaker to the door card is just as important as sealing the back side of the door and speaker. It is also almost always overlooked. Doing something close to the video above will essentially funnel the sound out so that it doesn't disperse in between the door card and the door itself. That creates all kind of phasing and interference issues and reduces over all volume

Jeffdachef
08-24-2013, 02:42 PM
I've seen people do this but they did something even crazier, they used deadener to create a small round enclosure inside their doors and used weatherstripping to brace it, they got decent midbass thump even with cheapo speakers where people reviewed had horrible/nonexisting bass.

jkok7
08-24-2013, 03:06 PM
It does have a benefit. As @ keep_hope_alive ; has done in another thread, sealing the front side of the speaker to the door card is just as important as sealing the back side of the door and speaker. It is also almost always overlooked. Doing something close to the video above will essentially funnel the sound out so that it doesn't disperse in between the door card and the door itself. That creates all kind of phasing and interference issues and reduces over all volume
Thanks man, it really does make a difference. Tat2bass you really know your stuff.


Thehardknoxlife, I understand that the screws will seal the holes, but if you don't want to use all the holes because it's not necessary then that's why you tape it. The holes you do use, just puncture the tape. It won't hurt anything. Have you even tried this? I'm tellin you it makes a difference.
Watch at the beginning as I point out how the factory speakers have the foam to compensate. Or you can just read the blog post right under the video.
Don't knock it til you try it. I'm just trying to share what I've learned over the years, that's all. God Bless :)

keep_hope_alive
08-24-2013, 03:44 PM
yes, the approach is valid. using closed cell foams, the seals are air-tight.

seals are vital for any speaker installation and two are required:
1. seal speaker to metal mounting hole
2. seal speaker to plastic factory door panel

note that in a car door, the door panel is the front of the speaker enclosure. that seal is vital for good speaker performance, at any price, and i consider that seal a requirement for every installation - no exceptions.

always seal the speaker to the front of the baffle (which in vehicles, the baffle is the door panel.)

even if you deaden and fully seal you door, you want that seal to the grill opening. without it sound gets behind the panel and causes buzzes and phase interference.

now, his approach isn't necessarily what you have to do, you don't need duct tape. weatherstripping foam is adhesive on one side so you can just stick it the basket or mounting baffle edge and build it up until you replicate the factory seal. use the factory speaker as your guide. you know you get a good seal when you take the door panel back off and see a continuous indentation in the foam.

always use closed cell foam rubber as it is firm and air-tight.

weatherstripping foam costs $3 for a roll that will do both speakers.

jkok7
08-24-2013, 11:53 PM
yes, the approach is valid. using closed cell foams, the seals are air-tight.

seals are vital for any speaker installation and two are required:
1. seal speaker to metal mounting hole
2. seal speaker to plastic factory door panel

note that in a car door, the door panel is the front of the speaker enclosure. that seal is vital for good speaker performance, at any price, and i consider that seal a requirement for every installation - no exceptions.

always seal the speaker to the front of the baffle (which in vehicles, the baffle is the door panel.)

even if you deaden and fully seal you door, you want that seal to the grill opening. without it sound gets behind the panel and causes buzzes and phase interference.

now, his approach isn't necessarily what you have to do, you don't need duct tape. weatherstripping foam is adhesive on one side so you can just stick it the basket or mounting baffle edge and build it up until you replicate the factory seal. use the factory speaker as your guide. you know you get a good seal when you take the door panel back off and see a continuous indentation in the foam.

always use closed cell foam rubber as it is firm and air-tight.

weatherstripping foam costs $3 for a roll that will do both speakers.


Yeah, I used the duct tape just to be safe. It cant hurt, but the liquid nails is vital IMO. The adhesive on the foam I used was decent, but I feared under high temperatures it might give. Thanks for the dialog.

Jes 42
08-25-2013, 12:23 AM
Good vid.

keep_hope_alive
08-25-2013, 12:31 AM
i've been using the weatherstripping foam for at least a decade and never had an issue with heat (we hit 105 deg F here every year) since the foam is under compression - the adhesive just holds it in place until installed. cold is also a concern for adhesives as (it gets -15 deg F here also). i don't put liquid nails on speakers and i avoid putting permanent adhesives on speakers also.

RoYALbLUE08
08-25-2013, 01:15 AM
thanks for the information

Trey803
08-25-2013, 01:18 AM
I am going to do this,

never even considered sealing the front side of the baffle to the door panel. I've done everything else minus pods but I am curious to hear the results from this mod.

jkok7
08-25-2013, 01:31 AM
I am going to do this,

never even considered sealing the front side of the baffle to the door panel. I've done everything else minus pods but I am curious to hear the results from this mod.

Yeah, the roll I used was 3/4 inch thick, so it will stick out far enough to provide a good seal. You may want to consider adding some adhesive to the lips of the roll so that when it makes contact with your door panel it will stick is air tight. The only drawback is when you remove your door panel for any reason at all, there goes your insulation with it.
Try it and let me know how it turns out for you mane.

jkok7
08-25-2013, 10:39 AM
but, the problem with using kha's install for reference is its actually a half ***, ****** install.

Oklahoma love! :)

winkychevelle
08-25-2013, 10:50 AM
but, the problem with using kha's install for reference is its actually a half ***, ****** install.

Think of it as more of a trial and error install. He tries several things to make his speakers sound fantastic and most of what he post is very useful ive employed many of his techniques in my personal vehicles the only down side is cost of deadener and other materials

Vegas WRX
08-25-2013, 11:01 AM
I will try it, what can it hurt? Only a few bucks.If nothing, it will reduce any rattles of the door card touching the doorpanel/speaker edge.

keep_hope_alive
08-25-2013, 01:20 PM
but, the problem with using kha's install for reference is its actually a half ***, ****** install.

i look forward to your input. there is always room for improvement.

jkok7
08-25-2013, 11:02 PM
Thanks folks for checkin out the video. Please feel free to leave feedback on YouTube and sshare/like.

jkok7
09-05-2013, 04:50 PM
Bump

2RZ-FE
09-07-2013, 04:19 PM
I took some weatherstripping and cut it in half longways and placed one half on the face of my speaker around the mounting holes. Had to use a few drops of super glue the adhesive on there wouldn't hold very long. On the backside of my door panel the plastic ring the stock speaker sat inside had to be removed. Cut it out and added a full width piece of weatherstripping around the grill area. Weatherstripping on the speaker face and backside of the door panel meet up when the door panel is in place so now i have a nice seal.

jkok7
09-07-2013, 11:29 PM
I took some weatherstripping and cut it in half longways and placed one half on the face of my speaker around the mounting holes. Had to use a few drops of super glue the adhesive on there wouldn't hold very long. On the backside of my door panel the plastic ring the stock speaker sat inside had to be removed. Cut it out and added a full width piece of weatherstripping around the grill area. Weatherstripping on the speaker face and backside of the door panel meet up when the door panel is in place so now i have a nice seal.
Sounds great. Have any pics?

2RZ-FE
09-08-2013, 06:20 PM
Didn't take any. The cheap super glue didn't work that well so a little pressure is the only thing holding it in place. Need an adhesive that bonds to plastic which is what the outer edge of my speakers is made of so the weatherstripping bonds to it.

jkok7
09-08-2013, 06:26 PM
Didn't take any. The cheap super glue didn't work that well so a little pressure is the only thing holding it in place. Need an adhesive that bonds to plastic which is what the outer edge of my speakers is made of so the weatherstripping bonds to it.
yeah it bonds to plastic with no problem

jkok7
09-11-2013, 10:32 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ouasgLqICI&feature=share&list=UUsPT5IXR_3_fig8qtBsTpnw

Very satisfied with my install. The performance of my component speakers sounds much better than it did before. Stuff works!

jkok7
09-11-2013, 10:41 AM
Since I was persuaded to go with another set of 6.5s as oppose to superstweeters, I'll have 2 6.5s in each of my front doors. I installed the first pair in the original stock location. Anybody have a good suggestion on where to install the second set without it being in the way? I got some ideas, but I just wanted to bounce this off some folks with more experience in this area.

Here's a pic of a Chevy Impala front door:
http://www.bodyshopzone.com/archives/trim/door_panels/Chevy/Impala_2002/dpcimp02aro_Chevy_Impala_2002.jpg

mlstrass
09-12-2013, 03:49 AM
Do a FG pod for both of them, down where the stock grill/map pocket are. I've done a set of Impala doors, not that bad to work with...

murph
09-12-2013, 03:53 AM
This is pure common knowledge.

jkok7
09-12-2013, 08:06 AM
This is pure common knowledge.
You sayin the idea expressed in the video is pure common knowledge?

jkok7
09-12-2013, 08:20 AM
Do a FG pod for both of them, down where the stock grill/map pocket are. I've done a set of Impala doors, not that bad to work with...
Yeah, I figured I'd have to make pods for both and not just one. I was trying to avoid it, but that's cool. You got any pics of the impala doors you've done?
It'll be my first time doing custom FG pods so I'm looking forward to it. It's a lot of sanding, but I look forward to the project.

murph
09-12-2013, 05:37 PM
You sayin the idea expressed in the video is pure common knowledge?

Yes I am. People also use the weather stripping on their subs.

2RZ-FE
09-12-2013, 05:48 PM
Here are pics. 1999 Toyota Tacoma. Alpine Type S coaxials. Gonna get comps soon not sure what yet. The green is the 1" spacer to bring the speakers out. The cardboard there on the inner door is a temp fix to cover the two large holes in my doors. Gonna get some dynamat extreme soon.

jkok7
09-13-2013, 01:17 AM
Yes I am. People also use the weather stripping on their subs.

Really, well I don't think it's too common. It may just be common to you and other car audio Heavy enthusiasts. Common or not I thought I'd share. Thanks for the comment mane.

jkok7
09-13-2013, 01:22 AM
Here are pics. 1999 Toyota Tacoma. Alpine Type S coaxials. Gonna get comps soon not sure what yet. The green is the 1" spacer to bring the speakers out. The cardboard there on the inner door is a temp fix to cover the two large holes in my doors. Gonna get some dynamat extreme soon.
So you're trying it? That's what's up! Let me know how it works out for you once you put your doors on. Give some feedback and comment on Youtube if ya can.

mlstrass
09-13-2013, 04:03 AM
Yeah, I figured I'd have to make pods for both and not just one. I was trying to avoid it, but that's cool. You got any pics of the impala doors you've done?
It'll be my first time doing custom FG pods so I'm looking forward to it. It's a lot of sanding, but I look forward to the project.

Was a few years ago, so no pics. Take your time laying mat and wet it out thoroughly. Also do a "milkshake" for a final coat and sanding will be MUCH less then you think....

jkok7
09-13-2013, 01:58 PM
Was a few years ago, so no pics. Take your time laying mat and wet it out thoroughly. Also do a "milkshake" for a final coat and sanding will be MUCH less then you think....
Hey man I'd like to chop it up with you over the phone about this. I'm lost with the milkshake thing. I'll shoot you a PM with my info sometime soon.

jkok7
09-20-2013, 02:13 AM
bump

jkok7
09-24-2013, 11:30 PM
Bump

jkok7
09-25-2013, 09:58 AM
Almost done with my new box. It's been fun, but I'll be glad when it's over...for now.
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jkok7
09-30-2013, 11:59 AM
Shout out to mlstrass for helping me out on fiberglass door panel milkshake app. It's all been very helpful.

jkok7
10-08-2013, 07:37 PM
Bump

jkok7
10-08-2013, 07:37 PM
This ones an Accident created on my phone.