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keep_hope_alive
07-11-2013, 04:04 PM
Item(s) for Sale:

Phoenix Gold Cyclone BNIB

Rotary Servo Subwoofer.

12" diameter


Item(s) Description/Condition:

Purchased from a local authorized shop who sold them back in 1996. I saw several installs they did with them and always wanted one. A few years ago, a salesman admitted they still had a BNIB one in back. I snagged it with best intentions. It just isn't going to be used anytime soon.

These rotary subwoofers require maintenance. This is essentially a DC motor after all. The magnets need to be "cleaned" periodically. This procedure is well documented. I will share this process with any serious buyer (email description). I have not yet done this and am willing to sell as-is for a DIY person to save some money. If you want me to disassemble, clean, and re-assemble I will, but price jumps to $600.

This has never been installed, has never seen any power. There is nothing to rot or fail with time.

I have original specs, enclosure recommendations, etc. Best powered by a 2 channel Class AB amp bridged with 150W RMS.
Best ran with dedicated midbass woofers for midbass impact. This is a "smooth, buttery" subwoofer capable of very, very low frequency reproduction. I've heard 10Hz out of these things with surprisingly high output levels.

Frequency Response 11Hz to 60Hz *but lower is certainly available since it's just a DC motor.
Nominal Impedance 8 Ohms
Continuous Power Handling 300 WRMS *150W is recommended at 8 ohms.
Power Compression < 1.5dB @ full power @ 15 Minutes
Sensitivity 90dB 1W/1M
Maximum Excursion 38 Degrees p-p Linear Rotation
Required Crossover >18dB Per Octave, <60Hz
Mounting Depth 12 7/8"
Mounting Hole Diameter 11 1/8"
Speaker Displacement 0.5 cu.ft.

Price:

$450 shipped, or best offer as-is.
$600 shipped if I clean the magnets.

If you are wondering why the price seems high, try finding another one, let alone BNIB...

Shipping and Miscellaneous Item Information:

Will ship via UPS. will box around original packaging to maintain packaging integrity. I like original boxes in good condition.


Item Pictures:

Recently taken with recent date (quick phone pics):
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e128/phat_funky_beats/audio%20testing/PG%20Cyclone/IMG_20130707_161540_176.jpg

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e128/phat_funky_beats/audio%20testing/PG%20Cyclone/IMG_20130707_161457_338.jpg

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e128/phat_funky_beats/audio%20testing/PG%20Cyclone/IMG_20130707_161507_248.jpg

Back when I got it and how it still looks today:
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e128/phat_funky_beats/audio%20testing/PG%20Cyclone/PGCyclone007.jpg

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e128/phat_funky_beats/audio%20testing/PG%20Cyclone/PGCyclone005.jpg

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e128/phat_funky_beats/audio%20testing/PG%20Cyclone/PGCyclone002.jpg

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e128/phat_funky_beats/audio%20testing/PG%20Cyclone/PGCyclone006.jpg


Woofer Tester 3 (note that there is no Fs, this is a rotary woofer!)
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e128/phat_funky_beats/audio%20testing/PG%20Cyclone/PGCyclone.jpg

keep_hope_alive
07-11-2013, 04:05 PM
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e128/phat_funky_beats/audio%20testing/PG%20Cyclone/PGCyclone003.jpg

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e128/phat_funky_beats/audio%20testing/PG%20Cyclone/PGCyclone001.jpg

keep_hope_alive
07-11-2013, 04:08 PM
no, i don't want to sell this. i had ideas for a HT subwoofer that would be awesome. I also had ideas for my Accord. But alas, i just don't see it happening any time soon.

No reason for me to hog this but I won't let it go for a "steal". This is one time that I will get what it's worth, friend or not.

I have others locally who want it, and haven't told them yet.

tat2bass
07-11-2013, 04:24 PM
Thats awesome. I would just love to hear a sub 20hz tone played from it once. Do you have any or know of any videos of one of these in action? Kind of interested in it for a HT setup. Would have to talk to the wife about dropping that much on it.

I don't mean to clutter your thread either. GLWS

soloXgt
07-11-2013, 04:40 PM
:drool:

JL Audio
07-11-2013, 05:03 PM
If someone wants a pair i know where another bnib one is

Spooney
07-11-2013, 08:59 PM
What part of the sub actually moves? Have always been curious about these things. Wish I had some play money because as you said these almost never come up for sale in any condition and its one of those things I drooled over in the car audio mags in high school.

keep_hope_alive
07-12-2013, 12:16 AM
What part of the sub actually moves? Have always been curious about these things. Wish I had some play money because as you said these almost never come up for sale in any condition and its one of those things I drooled over in the car audio mags in high school.

there are two flat paddles that oscillate. the curved veins direct airflow forward and back. the front pieces that are pie shaped are what house the flat paddles - you get an idea of their range of movement. the paddles are very lightweight (like a 1/4" fiberglass foam-core board) and seal against the front and rear pieces with a bristle-like weatherstripping to help contain air pressure.

as they oscillate they simulate a piston moving air but without the resonance issues and electro-mechanical issues.

they still require an enclosure, about 3 cu. ft. sealed, to isolate the rear and front wave. they move air like a traditional subwoofer, just differently.

keep_hope_alive
07-12-2013, 12:28 AM
Thats awesome. I would just love to hear a sub 20hz tone played from it once. Do you have any or know of any videos of one of these in action? Kind of interested in it for a HT setup. Would have to talk to the wife about dropping that much on it.

I don't mean to clutter your thread either. GLWS

no worries. a video will be difficult to get the experience since most mics and systems cannot reproduce what they are capable of.
I agree they would be an excellent HT sub with unlimited low frequency response for perfect HT sub-bass.

jar1zx
07-12-2013, 12:29 AM
I remember a guy at kicker store telling me a company was working on this design. He said it would be the next big thing in spl
I didn't ever know these ever hit the market. And by PG wow!
Soo how loud is this?

phemps
07-12-2013, 04:33 AM
This is awesome man, dont see these around too often..

iroller
07-12-2013, 06:01 PM
Is this a add on for a sub or does it replace the sub and do everything ?

Fattony911
07-12-2013, 08:18 PM
Wow, HT beast sir. I can't believe you have one BNIB

keep_hope_alive
07-12-2013, 08:59 PM
I remember a guy at kicker store telling me a company was working on this design. He said it would be the next big thing in spl
I didn't ever know these ever hit the market. And by PG wow!
Soo how loud is this?

made in 1996 and limited run/production. around $800 new, which was a lot in 1996!

loud is relative. an SSA Zcon will be around the same cost as mine and the Zcon will certainly be louder. This isn't an SPL device by any means. It's for those wanting the lowest octaves of reproduction with no issues of excursion limitations or unloading.

I've seen an install back then with three of them - hard to breathe with that output so low.


Is this a add on for a sub or does it replace the sub and do everything ?

it replaces a normal subwoofer. but you can see the response is 60Hz and lower - so typically ran with beefy midbass drivers.

keep_hope_alive
07-12-2013, 09:01 PM
i am very tempted to run this in my IB wall...

but i want to offer it for sale truly BNIB and not used.

if i can't get what i want for it, i'll simply run it forever!

iroller
07-14-2013, 06:13 PM
great looking piece

VWGolfMKVI
07-14-2013, 06:41 PM
Join here and I guarantee it will sell.

https://www.facebook.com/groups/oldschoolstereo/

keep_hope_alive
07-14-2013, 08:55 PM
Join here and I guarantee it will sell.

https://www.facebook.com/groups/oldschoolstereo/

i am already on there. i gave CA first dibs. will post there soon.

keep_hope_alive
07-17-2013, 10:38 PM
turns out that the desired method of "cleaning" the motor is to use masking tape to remove any flakes. no sanding or lacquer is recommended.

keep_hope_alive
07-20-2013, 10:26 AM
put on ebay

hispls
07-20-2013, 10:51 AM
OP, you are a complete arsehole if you own one of these and don't make time to install and audition it. Any you'll hate yourself forever if you never actually use it.

keep_hope_alive
07-20-2013, 11:30 AM
OP, you are a complete arsehole if you own one of these and don't make time to install and audition it. Any you'll hate yourself forever if you never actually use it.

i've thought about that for a long time. Here's the thing - right now it's truly BNIB. Once I install it, it is used. My only install would be IB, which could work fine or could be a waste of effort and hurt it's value.

If I can get what I'm asking (and it's not a "deal" by any means) then I will sell. If I don't sell, I will use it for my car or home theater.

I also just bought four Phoenix Gold XS124 subs, in mint condition. Not using them either and think I have a home for them with a buddy.
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e128/phat_funky_beats/IMG_20130707_161256_914.jpg

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e128/phat_funky_beats/IMG_20130707_160656_663.jpg

iroller
07-20-2013, 11:42 PM
Dam I just sold my car at the car show today was going to talk to you about the clone.

keep_hope_alive
07-23-2013, 01:02 AM
Dam I just sold my car at the car show today was going to talk to you about the clone.

No worries

keep_hope_alive
07-30-2013, 02:36 AM
Cyclone is sold. $450 + shipping on eBay.

medicalbud
08-04-2013, 05:28 AM
Still around?

keep_hope_alive
08-04-2013, 08:18 AM
Still around?

me or the cyclone? cyclone is long gone.

JoeBlack2k2012
08-06-2013, 02:08 AM
I saw 3 of these in an extended cab truck in the Phoenix Gold booth at Iasca world finals back in I think 96 in Greenville SC. The roof on the **** building was rattling like crazy and there was a van with 8-18s in it so we all thought they were causing all the commotion but we walked up on the cyclone truck and it was unreal. It was loud but just as was said it was no SPL vehicle, it was so low it was breathtaking. I had to have at least one of these, my buddy owned a shop so that Monday we started calling his PG rep and found out by them that they were not holding up and the small number they did produce most were coming back. If you got one that held up they were amazing but evidently the design wasnt what it was expected it to be or there would have been a lot more built and sold.

imghetto
09-23-2013, 07:44 AM
if its still available consider it sold and yes am interested in another for my old school build thanks

Jes 42
09-23-2013, 09:07 AM
if its still available consider it sold and yes am interested in another for my old school build thanks

Couple posts up from yours!! ^^^

imghetto
09-24-2013, 08:48 PM
**** too slow

xx-wade-xx
10-28-2013, 01:13 AM
Edit

magicmic
11-11-2013, 02:31 AM
Text me if you still got pg,cyclone sub for sale.(901)690-9360