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sundownz
07-05-2013, 02:45 PM
It has come to our attention that 3 Kings Audio is selling Sundown Audio products. They are NOT authorized and products bought there will NOT carry our manufacturers warranty. All of our authorized online dealers are listed on our web-site. It is only possible for us to ensure the quality of products sold through authorized sources; do not trust an unauthorized source as you also cannot be sure of the authenticity / A-Stock quality of the product.

Any dealer or distributor found to be supplying unauthorized online sources will be terminated.

We would appreciate any information that anyone may have about the source of these unauthorized products.

3 Kings
07-06-2013, 04:30 PM
We can assure you that all of our products are new, unopened, authentic and legally purchased.

Like all of the products we sell, if a manufacturer ever denies a warranty claim we will stand behind the warranty for them 100% of the time - assuming there is no physical abuse to the product.

This should be pretty simple to resolve. Jacob- please give me a call so we can talk this through, you have my number.

-David

GAMEOVERCCA
07-06-2013, 05:35 PM
wow... lol, 3 kings I believe he just said you are not aloud to sell it. and who ever your getting it from is about to be terminated as a dealer.. :uhoh:

Xrojas13
07-06-2013, 08:18 PM
I like 3 kings audio decent deals but this might get ugly

Jes 42
07-06-2013, 08:27 PM
Selling products that you arent supposed to sounds like an azzhole move.What else do you sell that isnt authorized?

JL Audio
07-06-2013, 08:32 PM
Selling products that you arent supposed to sounds like an azzhole move.What else do you sell that isnt authorized?

indeed, I was wondering that too..

I know I bought an audiopipe amp from thing 1-2 years ago via ebay and they simply put a piece of tape around the amp box and it was shipped to me like that. Not even an extra box or padding.. that I wasn't happy about.

Jes 42
07-06-2013, 08:38 PM
indeed, I was wondering that too..

I know I bought an audiopipe amp from thing 1-2 years ago via ebay and they simply put a piece of tape around the amp box and it was shipped to me like that. Not even an extra box or padding.. that I wasn't happy about.

Think thats why a good company like Sundown doesnt want some dipstick flingin their stuff all over and makin em look bad and devaluing their product.I got no dog in the fight and 3kings has good deals but it seems that if someone wanted you sellin their products they'd contact them.They knew this could potentially cause problems(3kings).I have a feeling they wont be sellin Sundown much longer.Neither will the dealer that sold it to em.

Radiospank
07-07-2013, 06:04 AM
I've bought an infinity kappa 4 amp from 3 kings and it was shipped correctly and works perfectly for 2 years now. I would be pissedif they did send it out in just the amp box alone that is not good.

Hoodlum007
07-07-2013, 04:01 PM
I got a warning message on Facebook from Sundown about 3kings selling their products without being authorized and possibly selling fake Sundown with no warranty. This is not good at all, I will make sure to warn all my friends about 3kings.

Timmy13091
07-07-2013, 04:05 PM
It's not fake lol ^ and they will still cover you if it goes bad $ wise .. Just a bs move to sell there gear .. No need to start making up lies about it being fake lmfao

mylows10
07-07-2013, 04:18 PM
It's not fake lol ^ and they will still cover you if it goes bad $ wise .. Just a bs move to sell there gear .. No need to start making up lies about it being fake lmfao

i think what he means timmy is that the products may or may not be a stock from sundown ,because jacob has no idea where they get the product.kind of like car stereo giant and american bass ,bb says the same thing about them,they also are not an authorized dealer like they claim ,and their ab products do not have an ab warranty ,only inhouse ,but that can cause issues down the road if you have a product bought from them that fails .

Hoodlum007
07-07-2013, 04:19 PM
Look on the Sundown facebook page, they mention a chance of counterfeits.

mylows10
07-07-2013, 04:22 PM
Look on the Sundown facebook page, they mention a chance of counterfeits.

i'm, sure they do ,as zenon has done this in the past ,they did it to dc a few years back and were caught at it ,but because they are out of the country there was nothing that could be done ,so rusty took his business elsewhere like the other companies making amps did .

DARKHART
07-07-2013, 08:10 PM
I wasn't going to say anything at first just sit back and watch that is until I looked at 3 Kings sight at the Sundown product. It's bad enough that you are purchasing the equipment sideways you're not even adhering to the pricing structure as set by Sundown and adhered to by ALL the authorized dealers. At some point in time people need to wake up and realized all the true harm that the RACE TO ZERO really does!!!! Just like rebates on a car, what 3 Kings is doing to Sundown is simply devaluing the product and the brand. Why do you think there has NEVER been or NEVER will be a rebate offered on HONDA's and Acura's....because they devalue the products, those vehicles have some of the best resale values out there.....The race to zero will eventually put EVERYBODY out of business and out of a job....

mylows10
07-07-2013, 08:32 PM
I wasn't going to say anything at first just sit back and watch that is until I looked at 3 Kings sight at the Sundown product. It's bad enough that you are purchasing the equipment sideways you're not even adhering to the pricing structure as set by Sundown and adhered to by ALL the authorized dealers. At some point in time people need to wake up and realized all the true harm that the RACE TO ZERO really does!!!! Just like rebates on a car, what 3 Kings is doing to Sundown is simply devaluing the product and the brand. Why do you think there has NEVER been or NEVER will be a rebate offered on HONDA's and Acura's....because they devalue the products, those vehicles have some of the best resale values out there.....The race to zero will eventually put EVERYBODY out of business and out of a job....

couldn't have said it better .

NoLoud4U
07-07-2013, 09:14 PM
This is what happened to JL. Luckily sundown does not have that many dealers so it should be easy to track them down. It won't be hard to spot a dealer with a big *** spike in sales.

dbeez
07-07-2013, 09:42 PM
3kings trying to kiss that *** on facebook.

hispls
07-07-2013, 09:53 PM
Seems to me like 3Kings was on board here quickly to make things cool.

You people are like ******* kids in 3rd grade trying to egg on a fight. Grow up and let the adults handle their business.

Hoodlum007
07-07-2013, 11:05 PM
I'm sure if they were trying to make things cool they would have yanked the products or at least fixed the prices knowing Sundown is against them selling their products.

jasonbillnelson
07-07-2013, 11:15 PM
Probably would have closed this thread as well

Durango03
07-08-2013, 01:26 AM
never checked out 3kings before, but I just did and I dont see any mention of sundown products nor find anything via the search feature. Guess they were pulled from the site

Edit: Completely wrong, Now I see them!:suave:

BlurredVision
07-08-2013, 09:27 AM
I've dealt with 3 kings and they're good people. I mean he paid good money for the gear and is confident enough to warrant it himself. Nothing against Jake. I can understand him too thou. Good guy, I've met him.

Kingstroker
07-08-2013, 07:51 PM
I would like to know what kind of trained technicians they have to evaluate electrical components to determine if they are covered under warranty?

momax_powers
07-09-2013, 01:14 AM
I would like to know what kind of trained technicians they have to evaluate electrical components to determine if they are covered under warranty?

Do you go around checking everyones techs before buying from them or are you just adding fuel to the fire. I love sundown but i think everyone is just jumpin on the hate 3kings wagon...ive never bought anytging from them but many people enjoy their products n service

Sonicelectronix is NOT an authorized dealer for every brand they sell but they issue an inhouse warranty...lets bash them now and see their tech's credentials
Onlinecarstereo is NOT an authorized dealer for every brand they sell
Etc

SounDrive
07-09-2013, 01:18 AM
Do you go around checking everyones techs before buying from them or are you just adding fuel to the fire. I love sundown but i think everyone is just jumpin on the hate 3kings wagon...ive never bought anytging from them but many people enjoy their products n service

Sonicelectronix is NOT an authorized dealer for every brand they sell but they issue an inhouse warranty...lets bash them now and see their tech's credentials
Onlinecarstereo is NOT an authorized dealer for every brand they sell
Etc

Exactly. Why should 3 Kings give 2 shits about Sundown's "authorized dealer rules" if they can make money with their own rules. They're still going to warranty them. I don't agree with the price cutting of everyone else though.

™Caveman
07-09-2013, 01:26 AM
If Jacob = The Terminator please do video tape the termination. That's sum old school cowboy $hit right here folks.

Germ305
07-09-2013, 02:23 AM
Terminate SKAR.

sundownz
07-09-2013, 08:44 AM
This should be pretty simple to resolve. Jacob- please give me a call so we can talk this through, you have my number.

-David

Our focus is primarily brick & mortar dealers and distribution that serves these retailers so we have kept the number of online dealers limited and we have turned down several large / stocking online retailers due to this fact.

We've called several times and left messages as well.

naughtyca
07-09-2013, 10:20 AM
I stand by 3 kings, had no issues with them and they do deliver one of the best prices for car audio.

Snyperx
07-09-2013, 11:26 AM
Well I just went to the 3Kings website like 2 minutes ago and I am not seeing Sundown as a listed brand. I even did a search and nothing.

dbeez
07-09-2013, 11:37 AM
Well I just went to the 3Kings website like 2 minutes ago and I am not seeing Sundown as a listed brand. I even did a search and nothing.

3 Kings Sales | www.3kings.com (http://www.3kings.com/nsearch.aspx?keywords=sundown)

trumpet
07-09-2013, 11:52 AM
I stand by 3 kings, had no issues with them and they do deliver one of the best prices for car audio.

Everyone likes getting a good deal, but slashing prices is bad for the industry. We call it the Race to Zero Profits.

Fattony911
07-09-2013, 12:01 PM
Everyone likes getting a good deal, but slashing prices is bad for the industry. We call it the Race to Zero Profits.

It's happening all over in this economy of ours more and more

tc300
07-09-2013, 12:10 PM
Amerika... Land of free home of corruption!! Lol

dbeez
07-09-2013, 12:13 PM
Its unfortunate as a dealer I can say this pisses me off but im not suprised and im not suprised people wsnt 3kings to continue their sales even though its not authorized. As a nation we use to hsve morals and standards those have long gone for the most.

Reinhardt
07-09-2013, 12:16 PM
Everyone likes getting a good deal, but slashing prices is bad for the industry. We call it the Race to Zero Profits.

Isnt that pretty much what Sundown does buy building there crap in China?

DARKHART
07-09-2013, 12:38 PM
Isnt that pretty much what Sundown does buy building there crap in China?

Sadly this is one of the main effects of the "race to zero", everyone wants "made in America" on the stuff they buy but aren't willing to pay the cost of products MADE IN AMERICA!!!!!! Because we as a nation demand higher pay levels for the work we do which in turn drives the cost of goods and services up. We want the best pay but want to pay the cheapest possible for the goods we buy so guess what, the manufactures have to move production over seas to meet the price points that the buying public demands. What Sundown and a few others has managed to do is find that fine balance between QUALITY production costs and decent price point. There are a few products that are still made here but again the masses still bit*h about the price being too high....people you can't have your cake and eat it too because at some point you will end up pricing yourself right out of business......

Kingstroker
07-09-2013, 02:35 PM
Do you go around checking everyones techs before buying from them or are you just adding fuel to the fire. I love sundown but i think everyone is just jumpin on the hate 3kings wagon...ive never bought anytging from them but many people enjoy their products n service

Sonicelectronix is NOT an authorized dealer for every brand they sell but they issue an inhouse warranty...lets bash them now and see their tech's credentials
Onlinecarstereo is NOT an authorized dealer for every brand they sell
Etc

Last time the warranty issue with 3 Kings came up they claimed a lot matching but when I went to the web site it was on very few products. Checked several times in the weeks after that and no change. They made a lot of claims on the forum but not on the web site, nothing in writing to back up what they said. I only buy products that are backed up by the manufacturer. So to answer your question, yes. What I bought was backed up by factory techs or factory trained techs. Some online dealers even have techs you can talk to and walk you through issues you might have. I've used them and think they were worth the $20 more I paid for a $300 in products. Slamming people who have differing opinions has nothing to do with Sundown, 3 Kings or anything else audio.

NoLoud4U
07-09-2013, 02:47 PM
I wouldnt want my stuff on a site full of flee market junk either. Hey we sell lanzar, BOSS, Audiopipe, XXX, and SUNDOWN.

Kingstroker
07-09-2013, 02:54 PM
Just took a look a the web site and didn't see anything about warranty matching on any product. Nothing about warrantees at all.

DARKHART
07-09-2013, 10:01 PM
I wouldnt want my stuff on a site full of flee market junk either. Hey we sell lanzar, BOSS, Audiopipe, XXX, and SUNDOWN.

^^^^^^ DING DING DING DING, just as I stated earlier, DEVALUING the brand!!!!

SounDrive
07-09-2013, 10:05 PM
^^^^^^ DING DING DING DING, just as I stated earlier, DEVALUING the brand!!!!

And Skar copying nearly EVERY Sundown product isn't already devaluing it?

DARKHART
07-09-2013, 10:47 PM
And Skar copying nearly EVERY Sundown product isn't already devaluing it?

Never said that it didn't, but I will tell you this....when Joe that knows only a little bit buys a Skar he isn't equating that to a Sundown product but when he looks at a site that carries a bunch of products that he already knows is crap or all his buddies have already told him is crap and he see's Sundown listed there too the what do you think he's gonna think, it's guilt by association my friend.....

™Caveman
07-09-2013, 10:51 PM
Jacob can trace his product can't he. Let's nip this mutha fu˘king $hit in the butt!

sundownz
07-10-2013, 10:11 AM
Isnt that pretty much what Sundown does buy building there crap in China?

Let me ask you a question... how many car audio companies have you founded and operated ? As I am sure the answer is zero... we can establish you are not informed about the reality of the industry.

We are a new company and came into an industry with a given "acceptable" price level already in place. Heavy outsourcing came into play a decade before we started our company. We didn't exist in the 90s when there was heavy margin in USA made products.

Coming out of the blue making all product in a meaningful fashion (**) in-house in the USA is literally impossible without MILLIONS of dollars in backing. Even then it's a heavy gamble as 90% of consumers don't care about country of origin and as a new company with a higher price getting a market position would be very difficult. Any car audio company I know of making product in the USA either came from a background of importing / assembling imported parts (Fi/AA when it was RE imported motors... when RE was sold Scott used the capital to move towards machining motors in the next venture) OR started out before the wave of outsourcing / already had the machinery acquired in that time period (thus already having a market position) and figured out how to ride it out (MMATs is a good example).

So now, with that being said, and actual facts being in place... we are becoming an established brand. We are moving into a facility that can handle a higher level of manufacturing (very large floor space)... and I am in the process of acquiring machinery to work towards more in-house production. Magnetizer is due shortly... and the next generation Nightshade (v.4) will be a fully US machined and assembled motor (a local machine shop will handle that until such a time as we can invest in our own machinery). As capacity / capital / demand grows the amount of manufacturing we can do can expand as well. This sort of thing doesn't happen overnight.

Until then we build the best possible products we can with the best manufacturers possible and offer a fair price that is compatible with our business model.

** - Just gluing the same imported parts together isn't really a meaningful value added way of "making in the USA" in my mind. There is nothing wrong with that approach and it affords more flexibility in production and more control over the entire process but it doesn't really signify MADE in the USA to me. There are many companies that do this and I still applaud their hard work and dedication -- so don't read into that as anything negative.

mclerico83
07-10-2013, 02:49 PM
Let me ask you a question... how many car audio companies have you founded and operated ? As I am sure the answer is zero... we can establish you are not informed about the reality of the industry.

We are a new company and came into an industry with a given "acceptable" price level already in place. Heavy outsourcing came into play a decade before we started our company. We didn't exist in the 90s when there was heavy margin in USA made products.

Coming out of the blue making all product in a meaningful fashion (**) in-house in the USA is literally impossible without MILLIONS of dollars in backing. Even then it's a heavy gamble as 90% of consumers don't care about country of origin and as a new company with a higher price getting a market position would be very difficult. Any car audio company I know of making product in the USA either came from a background of importing / assembling imported parts (Fi/AA when it was RE imported motors... when RE was sold Scott used the capital to move towards machining motors in the next venture) OR started out before the wave of outsourcing / already had the machinery acquired in that time period (thus already having a market position) and figured out how to ride it out (MMATs is a good example).

So now, with that being said, and actual facts being in place... we are becoming an established brand. We are moving into a facility that can handle a higher level of manufacturing (very large floor space)... and I am in the process of acquiring machinery to work towards more in-house production. Magnetizer is due shortly... and the next generation Nightshade (v.4) will be a fully US machined and assembled motor (a local machine shop will handle that until such a time as we can invest in our own machinery). As capacity / capital / demand grows the amount of manufacturing we can do can expand as well. This sort of thing doesn't happen overnight.

Until then we build the best possible products we can with the best manufacturers possible and offer a fair price that is compatible with our business model.

** - Just gluing the same imported parts together isn't really a meaningful value added way of "making in the USA" in my mind. There is nothing wrong with that approach and it affords more flexibility in production and more control over the entire process but it doesn't really signify MADE in the USA to me. There are many companies that do this and I still applaud their hard work and dedication -- so don't read into that as anything negative.

most of the so called subs that are made in the usa are using foreign parts and are assembled here in america. Very few companies have the ability to have an entire machine shop in house etc. I totally agree and all these people may not remember but one of the reasons I didnt have an amazing *** kicking system when I was in high school is because you had to pay a dollar a watt for basically everything. you wanted a 1k orion say goodbye to 900 bucks. I am ok with not paying those prices and enjoying my 300 dollar sundown, dc, ab, audioque or the myriad of other solid amps you can buy from respectable companies over seas. I dont see many people forking over full price for for example a tru or zuki amps or linear power