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09Cam
05-28-2013, 11:50 PM
I have a 2009 Camry V6 SE with the JBL stereo option. The stereo is garbage despite the name on it. I am looking to install much of my old stereo but it was in a Lincoln and so the speakers won't work. The new car has 6x9s in the front doors and rear deck. There are separate tweeters on the front dash.

I'm going to have a pro install it because of the time factor, found a good one. He recommended Alpine Type R's for a middle quality, and either Diamond Audio HEX or Helix Precision for upper-end.

Any opinions on these?

I've read that round components are superior to the oblong ones, is this true? Would I be better off with a round woofer?


Existing parts:

HU: Kenwood Excelon KDC X589
Sp Amp: Infinity Reference 7541a (111x4)
Sub: Rockford Fosgate Punch 2?
Sub amp: Rockford P8002

I mostly listen to rock and I like clear, clean sound, not interested in a bass machine.

Any input is appreciated, thanks!

Gonzalez1988
05-29-2013, 12:43 AM
Yes, round components are superior which is why you dont see many 6x9 component sets at all. Buy a 6.5/6.75 set and use the adapters that come in the box.

trumpet
05-29-2013, 04:26 PM
Yes, round components are superior which is why you dont see many 6x9 component sets at all. Buy a 6.5/6.75 set and use the adapters that come in the box.

The good 6x9 component sets have the typical problems associated with an oval cone taken care of, which is the cone flexing in different ways. It will still not do anything for the differences in directivity depending on which orientation the woofer is located at, but a small midrange driver can take care of that problem.

I have several ways to put together custom component sets with CDT Audio speakers. The #1 (http://www.caraudio.com/forums/usertag.php?do=list&action=hash&hash=1) problem with replacing a factory 6x9 in the door is mounting depth. I have to fit at least a 3.25" deep 6x9 in order to make this work. If that isn't possible with a spacer then you have to step down to a 6.7" or 6.5" woofer. This compromises the bass performance. With the 2" mid/tweeter and 3-way crossover I have the directivity problem is absent because the 6x9 stops playing around 1.5 kHz.

6x9 components do not have to be inferior to round speakers.

i2ain2thunder
05-29-2013, 04:45 PM
I've been running eclipse sc6900 they are nice components, and yes oval sizes are more rare for components, but they do exist.

logan963
05-29-2013, 05:09 PM
Hell, trumpet set me up with a CDT 3-way setup and its beautiful, 6x9's aren't as bad as you think, and they give you some great midbass

i2ain2thunder
05-29-2013, 05:19 PM
Yeah with my subs out, I can finally hear the lows from my components, and they are pretty impressive, considering the rear deck mounted speakers is about as much cancellation as you can get. The only seal is on the deck. I have some spare 6x9 boxes around and if my new box allows for room for them beneath the deck I'll box em up for even more midbass. But thats just to tide me over until I actually breakdown and do my fiberglass work so I can get my 7" midbass woofers in.

09Cam
05-29-2013, 09:17 PM
Thank you for the input.

I have decided to go with a round component and also to go with a higher end model, and to use some sound deadening in the front doors.

Any opinions on the Diamond HEX series or the Helix Precision series. Any opinions on these?

It seems like CDT is a favored brand... Any other recommendations for a higher end speaker set, say like a 4 out of 5 star rating? Something in the neighborhood of $400-$500/set?

Gonzalez1988
05-29-2013, 10:10 PM
I didnt say 6x9 components were bad at all, i said round > oval.... And there's really no debating it, its science.

Gonzalez1988
05-29-2013, 10:12 PM
OP look into Alpine Type X PRO if you're looking for a higher end component. They need a lot of wattage and they arent cheap at $399 but you get what you pay for.

trumpet
05-29-2013, 10:15 PM
I didnt say 6x9 components were bad at all, i said round > oval.... And there's really no debating it, its science.

The solution is to mate the 6x9 with a small midrange driver. Along with the proper crossover points and slopes this gets the 6x9 playing a limited bandwidth in which beaming isn't an issue. This is the same approach as with any other midbass driver. There's no debating this, it's science.

Horsemanwill
05-29-2013, 10:23 PM
this debate again? I've listened to some 6x9 components next to some "round" components and I didn't hear a difference. no beaming etc. it's all in the install.

i2ain2thunder
05-29-2013, 11:12 PM
this debate again? I've listened to some 6x9 components next to some "round" components and I didn't hear a difference. no beaming etc. it's all in the install.

I was driving around today when suddenly I hear my rear speaker rattling! Knowing that it could be a blown speaker I immediately make a face like:
http://i1226.photobucket.com/albums/ee415/i2ain2thunder/images.jpg

So I start taking my car apart and get down to the speakers, hrm everything looks ok here no tears, the cone is not rubbing, no burning, and I know I set my gains right and always run less than the rms they are rated for. So I turn the music on, and put my hand on the speaker bracket and hold it firm, no more rattle.

Thank God it's not a blown speaker.
Ok lets investigate the speaker and bracket for why it is rattling. thus I see this:
http://i1226.photobucket.com/albums/ee415/i2ain2thunder/2013-05-29_19-15-19_484.jpg

Ok factory sealer for the bracket, no sealer between the speaker and the bracket, nothing a little trip to menards can't fix.

So I go to Menards, grab a roll of skinny closed cell weather stripping.

some time later in the parking lot:
http://i1226.photobucket.com/albums/ee415/i2ain2thunder/2013-05-29_19-09-15_851.jpg
http://i1226.photobucket.com/albums/ee415/i2ain2thunder/2013-05-29_19-09-44_122.jpg

Ok reinstalled, time for the cross my fingers test.

I turn on the stereo, and bam no more rattle, I'm satisfied, but wait let's test it on some good midbass music. Put in Sublime, crank it up to max volume (by max I mean max I set via gain). Holy f*king balIs midbass everywhere that wasn't there before. Before I was kinda dissapointed in my midbass and blamed it on the useless open air baffle mount with no enclosure, but all the sudden not only do I hear bass that wasn't there before, My seat is vibrating and pounding almost like having subs. I could not believe the world of difference this quick little fix did. Took the long way home and enjoyed some great tunes in blissful nirvana. A true testament to how the install even the smallest details can make the biggest audible difference.

So yeah lesson learned, will spend more time sealing things properly in the future, cancellation is a bish.

i2ain2thunder
05-29-2013, 11:19 PM
BTW OP, I now highly recommend these little powerhouses. If you can still find them somewhere, Eclipse SC6900. The only downfall to them though for me was the xovers, it is an easy fix though, won't even need a fix if time is taken prior to install on them. I have a thread on the matter here:
http://www.caraudio.com/forums/wiring-electrical-installation-help/527075-eclipse-sc6900-xovers.html

logan963
05-29-2013, 11:30 PM
The solution is to mate the 6x9 with a small midrange driver. Along with the proper crossover points and slopes this gets the 6x9 playing a limited bandwidth in which beaming isn't an issue. This is the same approach as with any other midbass driver. There's no debating this, it's science.

wait, should I weather strip my 6x9's?

SounDrive
05-29-2013, 11:35 PM
Weatherstrip all speakers and subs... It'll make a difference

logan963
05-30-2013, 12:00 AM
Weatherstrip all speakers and subs... It'll make a difference

ok! I will try it out!

logan963
05-30-2013, 12:00 AM
Weatherstrip all speakers and subs... It'll make a difference

ok! I will try it out!

mclerico83
05-30-2013, 12:36 AM
Cadence CVLS69 6x9 600 Watt Competition 3 Way Speakers Crossovers 70 oz Magnets | eBay (http://www.ebay.com/itm/Cadence-CVLS69-6x9-600-Watt-Competition-3-Way-Speakers-Crossovers-70-OZ-Magnets-/350586613595?pt=Car_Speakers&hash=item51a0972f5b&vxp=mtr)

sick 6x9s for the rear. up front id do a nice 6.5 component set

XXX6 5c re Audio 6 5 2 Way Pro Component Loud Speakers | eBay (http://www.ebay.com/itm/XXX6-5C-RE-AUDIO-6-5-2-Way-PRO-COMPONENT-LOUD-SPEAKERS-/120738359437?pt=Car_Speakers&hash=item1c1c91288d)

i2ain2thunder
05-30-2013, 12:44 AM
:greedy:
If I was rich I be rolling with some rediculous **** like that lol. Jesus my sub amp could power those.

Gonzalez1988
05-30-2013, 01:21 AM
The solution is to mate the 6x9 with a small midrange driver. Along with the proper crossover points and slopes this gets the 6x9 playing a limited bandwidth in which beaming isn't an issue. This is the same approach as with any other midbass driver. There's no debating this, it's science.

Why spend money on a set of 6x9 components AND an extra midrange if you can simply buy a 6.5 inch component set for the front doors? Am i missing something here?

i2ain2thunder
05-30-2013, 01:25 AM
Why spend money on a set of 6x9 components AND an extra midrange if you can simply buy a 6.5 inch component set for the front doors? Am i missing something here?

It depends on the situation, and what kind of setup your vehicle has. If you have slots for 6x9 speakers, and you don't want to do the extra work of cutting metal and making a bracket for 6.5s then 6x9s is the way to go. People have argued the sound on a 6.5 is better than a 6x9 and if you want similar sound you should pair the 6x9 with a good midrange. It is all relative though. As far is one way being cheaper than another, I'm not so sure about that, there are quality speakers for every budget.

My 6x9s were a budget purchase, but they have amazing SQ.

Gonzalez1988
05-30-2013, 01:51 AM
It depends on the situation, and what kind of setup your vehicle has. If you have slots for 6x9 speakers, and you don't want to do the extra work of cutting metal and making a bracket for 6.5s then 6x9s is the way to go. People have argued the sound on a 6.5 is better than a 6x9 and if you want similar sound you should pair the 6x9 with a good midrange. It is all relative though. As far is one way being cheaper than another, I'm not so sure about that, there are quality speakers for every budget.

My 6x9s were a budget purchase, but they have amazing SQ.

There is no need to cut or fabricate anything with adapters.

i2ain2thunder
05-30-2013, 02:06 AM
All components ive bought come with adapters so you can easily fit a 6.5 woofer in a 6x9 slot with the included adapter. No need to cut or fabricate anything at all. Matter of fact i bought some new Alpine Type R coaxials the other day and in the box were multiple adapters and these were not even expensive speakers.

Thats true there are ones that come with adapters to fit different slots. I myself have always had vehicles with 6x9 speakers, I've kinda grown partial to them over the years.

SounDrive
05-30-2013, 02:19 AM
There is no need to cut or fabricate anything with adapters.

My comps didn't come with adapters... And plastic adapters are trash anyways, I'd rather fabricate my own.

With that said, my 6.5s are working great for me

Horsemanwill
05-30-2013, 06:48 PM
if you get a good set of 6x9 components there's no reason for a separate midrange. the ID xs69 is one of the best sounding 6x9 comp set that I've heard in a long time. no reason at all to add another speaker to fill in a missing spectrum because there will be no missing spectrum.

Horsemanwill
05-30-2013, 06:52 PM
Myth: Oval/"odd" shaped speakers can't sound as good as round speakers - Car Audio | DIYMA.com (http://www.diymobileaudio.com/forum/car-audio-truth-myths-industry-dogma/103078-myth-oval-odd-shaped-speakers-cant-sound-good-round-speakers.html)

here's some good reading

i2ain2thunder
05-30-2013, 06:53 PM
another post with something way over my budget....maybe if I had money to burn, but I just can't justify $500+ on rear fill.

trumpet
05-30-2013, 07:16 PM
if you get a good set of 6x9 components there's no reason for a separate midrange. the ID xs69 is one of the best sounding 6x9 comp set that I've heard in a long time. no reason at all to add another speaker to fill in a missing spectrum because there will be no missing spectrum.

Yes, the frequency response is covered with a 2-way 6x9 set. For those looking for a step up the option is there for a 3-way. If you're referring to my posts in the thread, I was specifically talking about beaming, which is a real phenomenon with all sizes of drivers. The casual listener or someone who has never heard a well-implemented 3-way set will not know what this sounds like. Most people don't care. For the price of the XS69 set I can do a 3-way set that doesn't require cutting a hole to mount the midrange.