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RokintypeRs
04-09-2013, 08:35 PM
Just wondering I am running 2 12 inch alpine type S subwoofers in a ported box with a Hifonics BE1700.1D. The type s are SWS-12D4 the New type s 2012 model and I am wondering if 2 kicker CVX's 2012 will hit harder with the amp I have. They hit hard but I am overpowering each woofer by about 350 watts or so and the cvx's will only be overpowered by about 100. Thanks.

NIHL8ION
04-09-2013, 08:57 PM
It's all about the enclosure and tuning IMO, I think that with the right enclosure those alpines will sound just as good, if not better than the kickers... Overpowered or not, as long as they aren't getting too hot, smoking, or starting to smell after use - I wouldn't worry about over-powering them... How do you like that hi-fonics? Just curious, Never ran any of their products before...

RokintypeRs
04-09-2013, 09:00 PM
I agree with you there but I think I should upgrade to two cvx's. I had it tuned with an o-scope but I can smell my subs burning lol. My friend told me to get cvx's because first they will last longer and secondly they will hit a little harder because of their power handling. I'm just trying to get other opinions.

NIHL8ION
04-09-2013, 09:04 PM
Oh ****... Well that's not good then lol - How much those CVX's gonna set you back?

RokintypeRs
04-09-2013, 09:06 PM
They're $229 off of Online car stereo . Com. It'll take some time before I make the investment. They're still working so I'm just waiting for them to blow lol.

RokintypeRs
04-09-2013, 09:08 PM
Btw, I had a hifonics HFi1000.1D before this BE1700.1D and the amp I have now is awesome! it's the brutus elite amp and it has all the controls I want. It does the job so I can't complain haha.

NIHL8ION
04-09-2013, 09:13 PM
Well, That's not too bad I guess, but personally for that kind of money... I would get a pair of Pioneer Champion Pro TS-W3002D4 = $120 ea shipped - So it would be right in the same price range as those, and I can guarantee these will sound better and handle all that amp can dish out to them even @ 1 ohm with a beefed up electrical system. Sorry But I'm NOT a big fan of kicker - Never have been. Those pioneer's are my go-to sub for budget system building, they sound awesome, handle plenty of power, very durable, don't need a huge box to sound good, and they are CHEAP... Just my .02 :cool:

NIHL8ION
04-09-2013, 09:15 PM
Btw, I had a hifonics HFi1000.1D before this BE1700.1D and the amp I have now is awesome! it's the brutus elite amp and it has all the controls I want. It does the job so I can't complain haha.

Nice, was just curious cuz I have a dude trying to barter a BE2500.1D to me for some of my equip. I have up for sale... IDK if I am going to do it or not, don't really NEED another amp right now, but wouldn't be a bad backup amp I'm thinking...

winkychevelle
04-09-2013, 10:35 PM
Why not type r's they are rated at 1000rms each and I would think they would sound better than those kickers

NIHL8ION
04-09-2013, 10:57 PM
Why not type r's they are rated at 1000rms each and I would think they would sound better than those kickers

Champion Pro's are cheaper than type r's and they are a far superior product

CarAudioftw
04-09-2013, 11:10 PM
stay away from kicker and alpine go for sundown,dc,ect (: quality **** thats made in usa (:

RokintypeRs
04-10-2013, 12:43 AM
Why not type r's they are rated at 1000rms each and I would think they would sound better than those kickers

My amp is rated at 1700 watts at 1 ohm so I would be waaay underpowering the type r's for what they can handle. Honestly I am thinking about keeping this setup and saving up for some type r's but with a hifonics BE2500.1D. I think that would be better than what I got now.

RokintypeRs
04-10-2013, 12:46 AM
stay away from kicker and alpine go for sundown,dc,ect (: quality **** thats made in usa (:

I hear ya on that man but I gotta tell ya they are soooooooooooo **** expensive. I was looking at a pair of Orion HCCA's and each one of them is about $600 or more per speaker!!! I mean HOLY $&!*!!! I think when I get a job that gives me more than 30 hours a week I might get some but until then I"m going to rock some Alpine's or Kckers.

Full Tilt
04-10-2013, 12:46 AM
IMHO, I don't really like recommending the mainstream stuff. A lot of the big companies have been compromised by cheap parts and overseas labor just to save the company some money, so I just don't think they're as dependable as other brands. However, if I were to give my input, I'd also lean you towards Pioneer. I've got a friend with a set and, for budget subs, they actually sound pretty good. The champions can sound pretty good on only 500w, and the Pro-champs sound even better on
1000w a piece. Plus, like NIHL8ION said - they're not too expensive.

(By the way, a discussion like this probably belongs in the 'Subwoofers' category instead of the classifieds. This section is more for people trying to sell subs.)

RokintypeRs
04-10-2013, 12:52 AM
Well, That's not too bad I guess, but personally for that kind of money... I would get a pair of Pioneer Champion Pro TS-W3002D4 = $120 ea shipped - So it would be right in the same price range as those, and I can guarantee these will sound better and handle all that amp can dish out to them even @ 1 ohm with a beefed up electrical system. Sorry But I'm NOT a big fan of kicker - Never have been. Those pioneer's are my go-to sub for budget system building, they sound awesome, handle plenty of power, very durable, don't need a huge box to sound good, and they are CHEAP... Just my .02 :cool:

For what you say on those Pioneer's I was looking at them and they look very good. I haven't really heard of them though. If theyre RMS is 1000 and my amp is 1700 watts at 1 ohm, I would be underpowering them by 150 watts each and IMO, thats a bad thing, I was told never to underpower ANYTHING because it builds up heat too quickly and it will end up blowing. is this true? If not then I might as well lol.

RokintypeRs
04-10-2013, 12:53 AM
IMHO, I don't really like recommending the mainstream stuff. A lot of the big companies have been compromised by cheap parts and overseas labor just to save the company some money, so I just don't think they're as dependable as other brands. However, if I were to give my input, I'd also lean you towards Pioneer. I've got a friend with a set and, for budget subs, they actually sound pretty good. The champions can sound pretty good on only 500w, and the Pro-champs sound even better on
1000w a piece. Plus, like NIHL8ION said - they're not too expensive.

(By the way, a discussion like this probably belongs in the 'Subwoofers' category instead of the classifieds. This section is more for people trying to sell subs.)

Thanks I"m new to this site so I was trying to get a quick reply from someone lol

juanmgarza26
04-10-2013, 01:29 AM
Two SA 12D4 Sundown Audio 12" DVC 4 Ohm SA Pro Loud Bass Subwoofers Subs Pair | eBay (http://www.ebay.com/itm/TWO-SA-12D4-SUNDOWN-AUDIO-12-DVC-4-OHM-SA-PRO-LOUD-BASS-SUBWOOFERS-SUBS-PAIR-/120824910509?pt=Car_Subwoofers_Enclosures&hash=item1c21b9d2ad)

Skar Audio VVX 12 V2 D2 12" 600W RMS Dual 2 Ohm Car Subwoofer Bass Speaker New | eBay (http://www.ebay.com/itm/SKAR-AUDIO-VVX-12-V2-D2-12-600W-RMS-DUAL-2-OHM-CAR-SUBWOOFER-BASS-SPEAKER-NEW-/130883489759?pt=Car_Subwoofers_Enclosures&hash=item1e79438fdf&vxp=mtr)

you cant go wrong with a pair of sa 12's, i've heard a bunch of dual sa setups, they all get LOUD, not the best for sq but im sure you'd be happy, as for a pair of skars people will bash me for even stating its very name but i have a single vvx 12 set up and it gets LOW with no problems on roughly 850 watts rms daily, the skars dont get as loud at the sa's but both are great drivers, either pair will do good in the right enclosure, if 229 is your budget per sub i would go with one of these pairs man, my .02

bmk6795
04-10-2013, 02:11 AM
For what you say on those Pioneer's I was looking at them and they look very good. I haven't really heard of them though. If theyre RMS is 1000 and my amp is 1700 watts at 1 ohm, I would be underpowering them by 150 watts each and IMO, thats a bad thing, I was told never to underpower ANYTHING because it builds up heat too quickly and it will end up blowing. is this true? If not then I might as well lol.

Whoever told you that underpowering will hurt anything is a complete idiot. If that was the true you'd have to play your equipment at full tilt 100% of the time that you have it on to not damage it.

billetproof97'
04-10-2013, 03:31 AM
If i ever ran kicker. It would be their old old school stuff. No offense never liked the company. I hear their old school stuff was awesome

DDtC
04-10-2013, 05:57 AM
stay away from kicker and alpine go for sundown,dc,ect (: quality **** thats made in usa (:

Sundown SA and lower are made in China.

NIHL8ION
04-10-2013, 09:53 AM
For what you say on those Pioneer's I was looking at them and they look very good. I haven't really heard of them though. If theyre RMS is 1000 and my amp is 1700 watts at 1 ohm, I would be underpowering them by 150 watts each and IMO, thats a bad thing, I was told never to underpower ANYTHING because it builds up heat too quickly and it will end up blowing. is this true? If not then I might as well lol.

I have NEVER had any issues under-powering subs in my life. As long as they are in the correct enclosure with the correct settings, and you are feeding them clean signal, you will not have an issue. I have personally ran a TS-W3002D2 on 600w rms for well over an entire year and yes - It's rated at 1000 - Not ever a single problem. I then took that same sub and gave it 1200 for months on end without a problem as well... Those subs will slam off of your amp, and they even sound good in most pre-fab ported enclosures - Get an Obcon labyrinth slot ported box with 1.65 - 1.85 cu ft. per sub ($50-$60) and buy 2 - TS-W3002D4 ($220-$240) for a total of $270-$300 topps. Wire The subs in parallel down to 2 ohms per sub, then in parallel together for a final load of 1 ohm. Hook them up to your amp & adjust accordingly. Break them in for a bit before you really push on em hard. You will be amazed by how awesome those subs sound for the money:cool:

RokintypeRs
04-10-2013, 11:12 AM
I have NEVER had any issues under-powering subs in my life. As long as they are in the correct enclosure with the correct settings, and you are feeding them clean signal, you will not have an issue. I have personally ran a TS-W3002D2 on 600w rms for well over an entire year and yes - It's rated at 1000 - Not ever a single problem. I then took that same sub and gave it 1200 for months on end without a problem as well... Those subs will slam off of your amp, and they even sound good in most pre-fab ported enclosures - Get an Obcon labyrinth slot ported box with 1.65 - 1.85 cu ft. per sub ($50-$60) and buy 2 - TS-W3002D4 ($220-$240) for a total of $270-$300 topps. Wire The subs in parallel down to 2 ohms per sub, then in parallel together for a final load of 1 ohm. Hook them up to your amp & adjust accordingly. Break them in for a bit before you really push on em hard. You will be amazed by how awesome those subs sound for the money:cool:

Man sounds like you know your stuff. Yeah I had never heard of those Pioneers. I think I'm going to go for 2 of those thanks again!

supereikenator
04-10-2013, 11:16 AM
Two SA 12D4 Sundown Audio 12" DVC 4 Ohm SA Pro Loud Bass Subwoofers Subs Pair | eBay (http://www.ebay.com/itm/TWO-SA-12D4-SUNDOWN-AUDIO-12-DVC-4-OHM-SA-PRO-LOUD-BASS-SUBWOOFERS-SUBS-PAIR-/120824910509?pt=Car_Subwoofers_Enclosures&hash=item1c21b9d2ad)

Skar Audio VVX 12 V2 D2 12" 600W RMS Dual 2 Ohm Car Subwoofer Bass Speaker New | eBay (http://www.ebay.com/itm/SKAR-AUDIO-VVX-12-V2-D2-12-600W-RMS-DUAL-2-OHM-CAR-SUBWOOFER-BASS-SPEAKER-NEW-/130883489759?pt=Car_Subwoofers_Enclosures&hash=item1e79438fdf&vxp=mtr)

you cant go wrong with a pair of sa 12's, i've heard a bunch of dual sa setups, they all get LOUD, not the best for sq but im sure you'd be happy, as for a pair of skars people will bash me for even stating its very name but i have a single vvx 12 set up and it gets LOW with no problems on roughly 850 watts rms daily, the skars dont get as loud at the sa's but both are great drivers, either pair will do good in the right enclosure, if 229 is your budget per sub i would go with one of these pairs man, my .02

This, cheaper than CVX's and far superior, CVX's will get loud, but sound like absolute poop.

RokintypeRs
04-10-2013, 11:16 AM
Two SA 12D4 Sundown Audio 12" DVC 4 Ohm SA Pro Loud Bass Subwoofers Subs Pair | eBay (http://www.ebay.com/itm/TWO-SA-12D4-SUNDOWN-AUDIO-12-DVC-4-OHM-SA-PRO-LOUD-BASS-SUBWOOFERS-SUBS-PAIR-/120824910509?pt=Car_Subwoofers_Enclosures&hash=item1c21b9d2ad)

Skar Audio VVX 12 V2 D2 12" 600W RMS Dual 2 Ohm Car Subwoofer Bass Speaker New | eBay (http://www.ebay.com/itm/SKAR-AUDIO-VVX-12-V2-D2-12-600W-RMS-DUAL-2-OHM-CAR-SUBWOOFER-BASS-SPEAKER-NEW-/130883489759?pt=Car_Subwoofers_Enclosures&hash=item1e79438fdf&vxp=mtr)

you cant go wrong with a pair of sa 12's, i've heard a bunch of dual sa setups, they all get LOUD, not the best for sq but im sure you'd be happy, as for a pair of skars people will bash me for even stating its very name but i have a single vvx 12 set up and it gets LOW with no problems on roughly 850 watts rms daily, the skars dont get as loud at the sa's but both are great drivers, either pair will do good in the right enclosure, if 229 is your budget per sub i would go with one of these pairs man, my .02

Man you guys are giving me great advice glad I came here!

RokintypeRs
04-10-2013, 11:22 AM
Alright. SA-12D4 or TS-W3002D4???????

NIHL8ION
04-10-2013, 11:23 AM
Man sounds like you know your stuff. Yeah I had never heard of those Pioneers. I think I'm going to go for 2 of those thanks again!

You won't be sorry, These subs sound sick for the money, nothing compares for the price... They get down nasty low and the sq is pretty **** good. I've been running these pioneers in my own and customer setups for years - Best bang for the buck hands down

juanmgarza26
04-10-2013, 11:38 AM
Alright. SA-12D4 or TS-W3002D4???????

SA's bro, shitss gets LOUD in the right box, two SA's in 4 cubes at 33-35 hz will slam, i run a single skar and i love how it murders the lows, have mine in 2 cubes at 32 hz thats my taste, getting low, the SA's will get low but will require a little bit more power, but on clean power the SA's can take 1000 rms if its a clean signal and food electrical

RokintypeRs
04-10-2013, 11:44 AM
SA's bro, shitss gets LOUD in the right box, two SA's in 4 cubes at 33-35 hz will slam, i run a single skar and i love how it murders the lows, have mine in 2 cubes at 32 hz thats my taste, getting low, the SA's will get low but will require a little bit more power, but on clean power the SA's can take 1000 rms if its a clean signal and food electrical

Ordered both of them couldnt decide lol. I'll try out and see which ones are good.

DDtC
04-10-2013, 11:46 AM
Best advise of the thread. Dont buy pioneer

juanmgarza26
04-10-2013, 11:46 AM
Ordered both of them couldnt decide lol. I'll try out and see which ones are good.

both very are good, its just taste when deciding between these two...

RokintypeRs
04-10-2013, 01:44 PM
What is the ebp rating on the pioneer? Can't seem to find it.

DoesDad
04-10-2013, 01:56 PM
WTF is an EBP reading? Here's a link: Pioneer TS-W3002D4 (TSW3002D4) 12" Dual 4 ohm Champion PRO Sub (http://www.sonicelectronix.com/item_16665_Pioneer-TS-W3002D4.html)

NIHL8ION
04-10-2013, 02:39 PM
They are readily available & cheaper on ebay... & for whoever that was who said "Don't buy Pioneer" - You find me a Brand New Sub For $110.89 Shipped to your front door that compares, then talk smack - I guarantee you won't, I have tried... I am a BIG FAN of Sundown Audio just FYI, but they don't have anything that even comes close for THAT PRICE.

RokintypeRs
04-10-2013, 06:03 PM
WTF is an EBP reading? Here's a link: Pioneer TS-W3002D4 (TSW3002D4) 12" Dual 4 ohm Champion PRO Sub (http://www.sonicelectronix.com/item_16665_Pioneer-TS-W3002D4.html)

EBP: Efficiency Bandwidth product. It's a rough estimate as to what the frequency the sub should be peaked out at. I was just wondering because the TS-W3002D4 is 20-150 hz of frequency so the EBP rating would tell me where in that range the frequency should be set at for that sub to maximize sound. It really doesnt matter I just like to do a lot of research. And NIHI8ION I ordered both pairs of them. I'm going to check out both.

NIHL8ION
04-10-2013, 07:26 PM
[QUOTE=Theironman117;8367571]EBP: Efficiency Bandwidth product. It's a rough estimate as to what the frequency the sub should be peaked out at. I was just wondering because the TS-W3002D4 is 20-150 hz of frequency so the EBP rating would tell me where in that range the frequency should be set at for that sub to maximize sound. It really doesnt matter I just like to do a lot of research. And NIHI8ION I ordered both pairs of them. I'm going to check out both.[/QUO

So you ordered the Pioneers and the sundown SA's too? :confused:

DDtC
04-10-2013, 07:33 PM
They are readily available & cheaper on ebay... & for whoever that was who said "Don't buy Pioneer" - You find me a Brand New Sub For $110.89 Shipped to your front door that compares, then talk smack - I guarantee you won't, I have tried... I am a BIG FAN of Sundown Audio just FYI, but they don't have anything that even comes close for THAT PRICE.

I wouldn't buy a $110 sub so I wouldn't know. If the OP can't save $80 more then this is the wrong hobby for him. And who cares if you're a sundown fan?

RokintypeRs
04-10-2013, 08:51 PM
[QUOTE=Theironman117;8367571]EBP: Efficiency Bandwidth product. It's a rough estimate as to what the frequency the sub should be peaked out at. I was just wondering because the TS-W3002D4 is 20-150 hz of frequency so the EBP rating would tell me where in that range the frequency should be set at for that sub to maximize sound. It really doesnt matter I just like to do a lot of research. And NIHI8ION I ordered both pairs of them. I'm going to check out both.[/QUO

So you ordered the Pioneers and the sundown SA's too? :confused:

Yep. If I don't like one pair I'll give that one to my brother lol.

RokintypeRs
04-10-2013, 08:54 PM
I wouldn't buy a $110 sub so I wouldn't know. If the OP can't save $80 more then this is the wrong hobby for him. And who cares if you're a sundown fan?

It's not like I can't buy an expensive subwoofer I can I just like to find cheap stuff that sounds good. Eventually I might get some Orions or something.

NIHL8ION
04-10-2013, 10:38 PM
I wouldn't buy a $110 sub so I wouldn't know. If the OP can't save $80 more then this is the wrong hobby for him. And who cares if you're a sundown fan?

Yeah well ya know what the funny thing is - 2 Pioneer Premier Champion Pro's Will SMOKE most of the more expensive subs you are telling him to buy, so why not save the $160 on a set AND sound better, & Yeah I was just letting him know that I'm NOT against the sundown idea there bud, so keep your smug comments to yourself, just trying to help this guy out cuz that's what this forum SHOULD be all about, not trying to blaze everyone's posts every friggin chance you get! Oh yeah & FYI - msrp on those Pioneers is $269.00 each - So just because you can GET THEM for $110 ea, does NOT mean that they are cheapo $100 subs! These subs were never this cheap until online retailers started buying them by the freight load at a huge discount, so they are simply passing some of the savings on to their customers...

NIHL8ION
04-10-2013, 10:38 PM
dbl post

NIHL8ION
04-10-2013, 10:48 PM
GL to you with whatever subs you decide on, Don't let people tell you that you HAVE to spend more to get what you are trying to get done accomplished, Do your research first and set everything up correctly & you might end up surprised at how far you can stretch your dollar ;-) If ya have it to burn - By all means spend it on whatever you want, I'm not saying that the more expensive brands are not better, that's not what I'm saying at all, All I am saying is that you will not find a better sub brand new for $110 - As I said, GL to you & I hope you were able to walk away with more than you came in here with, Take Care :cool:

CarAudioftw
04-10-2013, 11:14 PM
get some sundown 8's you can get them for about 100-140 a peice or 150 if buy brand new! they slam sundown sa v2's!

NIHL8ION
04-10-2013, 11:58 PM
get some sundown 8's you can get them for about 100-140 a peice or 150 if buy brand new! they slam sundown sa v2's!

Those are some of the baddest 8's out there IMO, very beefy woofers that can handle way more than they are rated for with ease... Dude said he was interested in 12's & I was just trying to keep him from making the HUGE mistake of buying kickers LOL, You can easily get better for your dollars spent... I personally can't wait for the new Sundown X Series & Z v.4's to drop soon! They are looking pretty bad *** :D

wone
04-11-2013, 02:18 AM
cvx all day

DDtC
04-11-2013, 04:02 AM
Those are some of the baddest 8's out there IMO, very beefy woofers that can handle way more than they are rated for with ease... Dude said he was interested in 12's & I was just trying to keep him from making the HUGE mistake of buying kickers LOL, You can easily get better for your dollars spent... I personally can't wait for the new Sundown X Series & Z v.4's to drop soon! They are looking pretty bad *** :D
The CVX is not a bad sub as long as you don't pay retail.

NIHL8ION
04-11-2013, 04:05 AM
The CVX is not a bad sub as long as you don't pay retail.

I agree, paying retail for anything just ***** lol

RoYALbLUE08
04-11-2013, 06:23 AM
wow dude. get the alpine type rs!!! they are such fantastic subs and are very cheap online from authorized sellers such as sonicelectronix at around 130-140 per sub.

and they handle all the power you want!

Why So Cereal?
04-11-2013, 11:23 AM
Another vote for the Type Rs here.

I decided to skip to the last page after reading the first one and wanting to throw my laptop across the room.

RokintypeRs
04-11-2013, 12:56 PM
wow dude. get the alpine type rs!!! they are such fantastic subs and are very cheap online from authorized sellers such as sonicelectronix at around 130-140 per sub.

and they handle all the power you want!

I agree with you there but I don't like the way the new type R's sound. I have a friend with 2 of them 12 type R's and they just don't have the sound quality I like. I'm going to wait til the 2014 type R's come out and see what those sound like. I liked the old gen type r's and I was disappointed with the new type r's.

DDtC
04-11-2013, 12:58 PM
I agree with you there but I don't like the way the new type R's sound. I have a friend with 2 of them 12 type R's and they just don't have the sound quality I like. I'm going to wait til the 2014 type R's come out and see what those sound like. I liked the old gen type r's and I was disappointed with the new type r's.

Does your friend have a off the shelf box? If so you can get them MUCH better

RokintypeRs
04-11-2013, 01:04 PM
Does your friend have a off the shelf box? If so you can get them MUCH better

I"m pretty sure he does. Idk I just didn't like the way it sounded...

Why So Cereal?
04-11-2013, 01:07 PM
I"m pretty sure he does. Idk I just didn't like the way it sounded...

Because the box is subpar.

I just had a pair of the new 10s and they sounded very nice. Better than my previous gen type r 10s.

DDtC
04-11-2013, 01:08 PM
I"m pretty sure he does. Idk I just didn't like the way it sounded...

The box makes the sound. Some do better then other with certian tunes but you can tailor it for the most part. I'm sure his box is way to small, tuned to high, minimal port area.

j&b4ever
04-11-2013, 05:45 PM
all sell u 2 cvx 12s for 230 shipped

jockhater2
04-11-2013, 05:50 PM
stay away from kicker and alpine go for sundown,dc,ect (: quality **** thats made in usa (:

sundown isn't made in the USA. The ns models are assembled here and that is as close as "made" as your going to get.

<s10>
05-03-2013, 02:41 AM
So any updates on the subs you ordered? I've dealt with type r's in the past and they we're ok. I recently sold two 10" cvx's. They we're pushed with1400 watt hifonics power and it seemes like they sounded cleaner Imo. I recently heard two15" type r's in custom box and they really moved some air. But then again, that's two 15's in a custom box with lots of power..

lovinloudbass
05-03-2013, 03:41 AM
Not new but a lurker but I would of went with sd sa's ,ssa dcon or gcon,Ia lethal injections, or tantric ld or md's evn though Ive never tried the tantrics yet.
They will all take rated power n then sum cleanly,I liked my 1k rms pioneers as a temp set up when im inbetween builds but i paid 70 for both new from a friend.
But the way they sound is pretty much box dependent, please dont put what u chose in a crappy prefab.Get a box tuned to ur music tastes and decide what u like better since u ordered both sets.

JL Audio
05-03-2013, 06:19 AM
For what you say on those Pioneer's I was looking at them and they look very good. I haven't really heard of them though. If theyre RMS is 1000 and my amp is 1700 watts at 1 ohm, I would be underpowering them by 150 watts each and IMO, thats a bad thing, I was told never to underpower ANYTHING because it builds up heat too quickly and it will end up blowing. is this true? If not then I might as well lol.

Lol at underpowering comment and worrying that much on somethihg you won't be getting just from impedence rise alone among other reasons.

Oraclem19
05-03-2013, 02:50 PM
Are these champion pros that good?
Had a set of champions, they sounded great. Even in a bad box.
Have a 12 pro sitting around never mounted, (nfs) and didn't end up using it because I found a 12" Audiopipe txx that was still stiff and new, and if i remember correctly Audiopipe had more xmax at .551"

Considering making a compact 2-10 box for a REAL small trunk space and thinking about going with a set of 10 pros. Guy isn't huuuuge on sq, but I do know these sound good.