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sundownz
03-13-2013, 09:27 AM
Our ETA is roughly the end of June on these; as always this can vary a bit based on parts supplier production times, transit times, customs times, etc. Based on our average shipping time that is our best estimate.

That being said this pre-order will ONLY be open to the public until April 15th, 2013 -- OR until a given size / coil configuration sells 50% of the quantity being produced. I do not want to be out of stock instantly so we are running this much shorter than our other pre-orders.

This pre-order is for the USA ONLY -- check with your distributor if you are outside of the USA; if you do NOT have a distributor in your country you can check with us. The below rates are shipping in the continental 48 states; e-mail us or your dealer for AK or HI pricing.

Pricing as follows :

PART # // REGULAR MAP // PRE-ORDER RATE

X-10 (D2/D4) -- $329 -- $280
X-12 (D2/D4) -- $349 -- $300
X-15 (D2/D4) -- $389 -- $330
X-18 (D2/D4) -- $409 -- $350

You can pre-order from any participating local or online dealer OR directly with us via Paypal to sundownz@sundownaudio.com -- you MUST include a note stating EXACTLY what you are ordering.

As is typical with a pre-order the sale is final ; make sure you are not placing yourself in a bad financial situation by pre-ordering. Do not pre-order if you are on a tight schedule ; the dates are NOT set in stone. An adjusted date is not considered a valid reason to request a pre-order refund. If you have ANY doubt about waiting or your financial situation DO NOT pre-order.

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The X series is our 1250 RMS rated line -- they feature a 3" diameter CCAW round wire coil and our new frame, spider, surround, and cone platform. Linear x-max is around ~30mm one-way by 70% BL with a total mechanical clearance of 50mm in the motor.

These woofers are designed excel in high output DAILY low frequency applications. If you are looking for a burp driver or a driver to excel on “higher” bass frequencies; this is NOT it. We will offer SPL burp style re-cone kits for them at a late date – but the stock format is not made for that.


http://www.sundownaudio.com/misc/protos/X12/2012_Models/CIMG6791.JPG

http://www.sundownaudio.com/misc/protos/X12/2012_Models/CIMG6792.JPG

http://www.sundownaudio.com/misc/protos/X12/2012_Models/CIMG6793.JPG

http://www.sundownaudio.com/misc/protos/X12/2012_Models/CIMG6794.JPG

http://www.sundownaudio.com/misc/protos/X12/2012_Models/CIMG6795.JPG

http://www.sundownaudio.com/misc/protos/X12/2012_Models/CIMG6796.JPG

http://www.sundownaudio.com/misc/protos/X12/2012_Models/CIMG6797.JPG

http://www.sundownaudio.com/misc/protos/X12/2012_Models/CIMG6798.JPG

http://www.sundownaudio.com/misc/protos/X12/2012_Models/CIMG6799.JPG

http://www.sundownaudio.com/misc/protos/X12/2012_Models/CIMG6773.JPG
* Z v.4 12 on the left and X-12 on the right.

sundownz
03-13-2013, 09:27 AM
http://www.sundownaudio.com/misc/protos/X12/2012_Models/CIMG6774.JPG

http://www.sundownaudio.com/misc/protos/X12/2012_Models/CIMG6775.JPG
* Z v.4 12 on the left and X-12 on the right.

http://www.sundownaudio.com/misc/protos/X12/2012_Models/CIMG6777.JPG
* New terminal blocks !

http://www.sundownaudio.com/misc/protos/X12/2012_Models/CIMG6778.JPG

http://www.sundownaudio.com/misc/protos/X12/2012_Models/CIMG6779.JPG

http://www.sundownaudio.com/misc/protos/X12/2012_Models/CIMG6780.JPG
* Essentially looks like a "mini-Z" style motor... 190mm magnet vs. 220mm on the Z series / 66mm tall stack vs. 75mm tall stack / thinner steel / less expensive round wire coil vs. flat wire in the Z, etc, etc.

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Preliminary Specifications :
** The production models have a stiffer surround which will result in an FS about 5-10 Hz higher, higher Qts, etc. They will also have a slightly tighter gap which increases the BL a bit **

X-10 D2:
Re : 3.63 ohms
Fs : 27.9 Hz (Stiffer Surround = 32 Hz)
Qes : 0.43 (Stiffer Surround = 0.49)
Qms : 4.7
Qts : 0.39 (Stiffer Surround = 0.45)
Le : 4.11 mH
Sd : 366 cm^2
Vas : 19.47 L
BL : 21.67 NA
Mms : 317 g
Cms : 102 uM/N (Stiffer Surround = 75.16 uM/N)
Sens : 81.66 dB 1w/1m

X-10 D4:
Re : 5.96 ohms
Fs : 29. 15 Hz
Qes : 0.54
Qms : 5.26
Qts : 0.49
Le : 6.14 mH
Sd : 366 cm^2
Vas : 19.06 L
BL : 24.45 NA
Mms : 297 g
Cms : 100 uM/N
Sens : 81.14 dB 1w/1m

X-12 D2:
Re : 3.7 ohms
Fs : 24.35 Hz
Qes : 0.37
Qms : 4.38
Qts : 0.35
Le : 3.76 mH
Sd : 457 cm^2
Vas : 38.02 L
BL : 22.35 NA
Mms : 333 g
Cms : 127 uM/N
Sens : 83.35 dB 1w/1m

X-12 D4:
Re : 5.84 ohms
Fs : 26.43 Hz
Qes : 0.48
Qms : 4.48
Qts : 0.43
Le : 5.18 mH
Sd : 457 cm^2
Vas : 34.38 L
BL : 25.16 NA
Mms : 313 g
Cms : 115 uM/N
Sens : 82.96 dB 1w/1m

X-15 D2:
Re : 3.68 ohms
Fs : 20.51 Hz
Qes : 0.42
Qms : 4.81
Qts : 0.39
Le : 4.00 mH
Sd : 729 cm^2
Vas : 107 L
BL : 21.79 NA
Mms : 422 g
Cms : 142 uM/N
Sens : 85.17 dB 1w/1m

X-15 D4:
Re : 5.78 ohms
Fs : 20.88 Hz
Qes : 0.52
Qms : 4.94
Qts : 0.47
Le : 5.99 mH
Sd : 729 cm^2
Vas : 103 L
BL : 24.85 NA
Mms : 422 g
Cms : 137 uM/N
Sens : 84.34 dB 1w/1m

X-18 D2:
Data not available

X-18 D4:
Re : 5.85 ohms
Fs : 20.5 Hz
Qes : 0.57
Qms : 5.61
Qts : 0.52
Le : 5.92 mH
Sd : 1140 cm^2
Vas : 237 L
BL : 24.79 NA
Mms : 470 g
Cms : 128 uM/N
Sens : 87.22 dB 1w/1m

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PHYSICAL SPECIFICATIONS :

http://www.sundownaudio.com/misc/woofer_measurements/X-10.jpg

http://www.sundownaudio.com/misc/woofer_measurements/X-12.jpg

http://www.sundownaudio.com/misc/woofer_measurements/X-15.jpg

http://www.sundownaudio.com/misc/woofer_measurements/X-18.jpg

04murdalanche
03-13-2013, 09:51 AM
Would these take my SAZ 3500, gains set correctly. in a proper box all day long? As in, would I be able to give them everything the amp has to offer?

TheycallmeJT
03-13-2013, 09:57 AM
What size boxes are these looking for? They look great. Gives them a much diff look than every other company. If insurance doesnt total out my ride i may switch out the hdc3's for 4 of these 12's

04murdalanche
03-13-2013, 09:58 AM
What size boxes are these looking for? They look great. Gives them a much diff look than every other company. If insurance doesnt total out my ride i may switch out the hdc3's for 4 of these 12's

Wtf happened :(

TheycallmeJT
03-13-2013, 10:00 AM
Wtf happened :(
I shall post pics for you in the build log with descripsion

sundownz
03-13-2013, 10:13 AM
Would these take my SAZ 3500, gains set correctly. in a proper box all day long? As in, would I be able to give them everything the amp has to offer?

For a pair of them ?

The coil is 3" unit (76.2mm) with a WW of 60-65mm depending on the impedance; this is a very large coil.

As with our other lines the ratings are done conservatively in a worst possible case scenario; it would be very difficult to damage a pair of them on a 3500D.

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What size boxes are these looking for? They look great. Gives them a much diff look than every other company. If insurance doesnt total out my ride i may switch out the hdc3's for 4 of these 12's

The 12s can work in as small 1.75 to 2 cubes or as much as 3 cubes. The larger enclosure will allow you to take advantage of more of the excursion capacity with less power.

Thumpersplbassx
03-13-2013, 10:25 AM
Great news to hear!

ciaonzo
03-13-2013, 10:30 AM
Beautiful T/S on these, eyeballing that 15.

-BenBen-
03-13-2013, 10:44 AM
i have a sp4 man but just the look of the new sundown subs, the surround..makes me want to buy them..**** man beautiful sub. that is truly what a mans sub is supposed to look like

gamehawk55
03-13-2013, 12:38 PM
So just to be clear. These are only good for low frequency music like rap/dupstep/bass tracks? Are you saying they will not sound very good when playing rock/metal with them? Or did I misunderstand your OP on that?

BoomBoxStereo
03-13-2013, 12:54 PM
So just to be clear. These are only good for low frequency music like rap/dupstep/bass tracks? Are you saying they will not sound very good when playing rock/metal with them? Or did I misunderstand your OP on that?

probably won't sound too good for rock... based off the size of that excursion it definitely has a focus on the lows

sundownz
03-13-2013, 01:02 PM
A woofer having a high excursion does not mean it will not play rock music; that is not at all what I am saying either.

They simply are not going to be your first choice for an SPL type woofer at higher frequencies; nor do they accentuate the higher frequency range as some drivers do. They will be very flat outside of a vehicle and accentuate the lower frequencies when placed in a car.

gamehawk55
03-13-2013, 01:15 PM
A woofer having a high excursion does not mean it will not play rock music; that is not at all what I am saying either.

They simply are not going to be your first choice for an SPL type woofer at higher frequencies; nor do they accentuate the higher frequency range as some drivers do. They will be very flat outside of a vehicle and accentuate the lower frequencies when placed in a car.

But if you are playing metal with 16th note kick drums are these going to be able to play that accurately or will it turn into a muddled mess when playing that kind of music on these subs?

gamehawk55
03-13-2013, 01:17 PM
I currently have 2 SA8v2 D2 and they do alright on that kind of music but sometimes its just too quick and can't separate the notes properly. Not sure if its just the box or the driver.

sundownz
03-13-2013, 01:42 PM
Look into a sealed box; with the SA-8 v.2 that is not really an option as it does not do well sealed -- but with these sealed is a great option and should provide the type of response it sounds like you want.

gamehawk55
03-13-2013, 01:45 PM
I know that a ported box can provide that type of response. Years ago I had a 12" hertz in a ****** prefab ported box and it actually had excellent response for that kind of music and hit the notes hard too haha. Is it possible to have the accurate upper response while being able to hit the lows with authority too? Or is it always gonna be one or the other?

GreekBrotha8
03-13-2013, 03:21 PM
I know that a ported box can provide that type of response. Years ago I had a 12" hertz in a ****** prefab ported box and it actually had excellent response for that kind of music and hit the notes hard too haha. Is it possible to have the accurate upper response while being able to hit the lows with authority too? Or is it always gonna be one or the other?

Probably because prefabs are tuned so high

gamehawk55
03-13-2013, 03:41 PM
Probably because prefabs are tuned so high

But shouldn't a lower tuned box still be able to give similar results if built properly?

IonRL205
03-13-2013, 04:16 PM
But shouldn't a lower tuned box still be able to give similar results if built properly?

That's the key, if it's built properly.

sundownz
03-19-2013, 07:29 AM
Complete measurements added to post #2 (http://www.caraudio.com/forums/usertag.php?do=list&action=hash&hash=2)

hispls
03-19-2013, 08:31 AM
But shouldn't a lower tuned box still be able to give similar results if built properly?

You need to understand your vehicles accoustics then build a box accordingly to suit your goals. At the end of the day vehicle accoustics will play a much bigger role in your response than the brand name on the woofer. Most people don't like to talk about this, it's heavily discussed in DIY home theater circles but completely brushed over with car audio generally. The "room" is the dominant factor, even moreso in a car where the "room" is very ugly from an accoustic standpoint.

By the way, pics do not do these subs justice. If anyone is on the fence about them, run, don't walk. They will be about impossible to beat at the price point. Good job, Jacob for doing something somewhat new and innovative!

NIHL8ION
03-28-2013, 05:06 AM
Question: I'm about to have PWK Designs build me a box for a new SA12D2 - My question is; - Will this new X Series sub sound good in that same enclosure in the same vehicle? Just swapping out sub for sub? Or will I want to have another custom enclosure designed & built for THIS sub once I get my hands on one? I just can't wait, I heard a SA12 & ever since I've been itching to get me some sundown. I can't see buying a z v.3, When this new X line & z v.4 look amazing!!! I'm just going to buy an SA12 to satisfy my need for now, then I plan on upgrading to the X Series... I'm hoping this sub will sound good in the enclosure I'm having built for the SA12, Any feedback / input greatly appreciated, TY in advance :-)

sundownz
03-28-2013, 07:22 AM
We have dropped them into the same size boxes as the SA and Z v.3 series woofers -- they do work in those boxes, yes. You will get more bottom-end and more benefit by using a box a little larger. PWK can probably design you something forward looking for what these will require and the SA series can work in the box in the mean-time.

NIHL8ION
03-28-2013, 05:03 PM
We have dropped them into the same size boxes as the SA and Z v.3 series woofers -- they do work in those boxes, yes. You will get more bottom-end and more benefit by using a box a little larger. PWK can probably design you something forward looking for what these will require and the SA series can work in the box in the mean-time.

KK Thank you for your input Jacob :cool: - I took some screen shots of the specs & Dimension sketch you have posted here on pg 1 of this thread for the X-12 D2. I am going to forward the info over to Pete & Just tell him to optimize my enclosure for the X-12 sub, then I will just throw an SA-12 in there until I get my X :D I'm really looking forward to running Sundown Audio VERY SOON :veryhapp: Keep up the good work Jacob, Your new innovations are really looking impressive :cool:

CodyHendo
04-13-2013, 01:37 PM
With this new X series and Zv4s comin out, does that mean deals on some other woofers!? :D like sa series maybe!? :D

sundownz
04-15-2013, 10:18 AM
LAST DAY for the public pre-order !

klem
04-15-2013, 01:15 PM
sup folks... i have a grand marquis don't know the size of the trunk off hand but i could fit 3-4 bodies in it. Havent been involved in car audio for a number of years back when everything was jl audio and ppi. My buddy has 2 13.5 w7s and 2 1000/1 jl amps and to me they sound clean and much improved since i last purchased anything, then i get on this fourm and see all these other options to mention at a cheaper price point. So these new x series have my interest are they more for spl ?? 2 12s or 15s if i have the room ??? also difference between the x and the z4? i see they are pictured side by side. I have some research to be doing as far as alternator choices.. amp.. sound damping finding a box builder.. battery.. any suggestions would be appreciated i live in michigan

1992 grand marquis 22k miles old man car... system and wheels coming really soon.. the car is 20 years old and has the original tires

BoomBoxStereo
04-15-2013, 01:19 PM
so i'm assuming these are rated quite conservatively at 1250, what can they actually take daily? sundownz ;

sundownz
04-16-2013, 07:56 AM
Public pre-ordering is closed.

sundownz
04-16-2013, 07:58 AM
so i'm assuming these are rated quite conservatively at 1250, what can they actually take daily? sundownz ;

As 1250 is our warranty range that is our "official" what they can actually take number.

In terms of what is going on in the driver... the coil surface area is on-par with the Z line; but the coil is a less costly 4-layer round CCAW compared to 8-layer flat. So thermally you have alot of breathing room.

Mechanically all of the new drivers are above level of all older models. An X woofer has more mechanical capacity than any older NS v.1, NS v.2, Z v.1, Z v.2, or Z v.3 woofer.