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wetole
02-28-2013, 11:17 AM
alright so i need a little help. i want to wall off my zcon 18 in my little 2 door honda civic, i have the room but i just need the help on how to do it to make it loud as possible. give me ideas!

hunter081
02-28-2013, 11:20 AM
Pray to the zcon gods. They may have an answer LOL

Phoenix Risen
02-28-2013, 11:21 AM
build the shell out first then come back with exactly how much space you have to work with, I'm not sure how well the zcon likes 4th orders, but that could be a nasty option if they do.

wetole
02-28-2013, 11:23 AM
what do you mean 4th order

Phoenix Risen
02-28-2013, 11:25 AM
Let me Google that for you... (http://lmgtfy.com/?q=4th+order+bandpass)

wetole
02-28-2013, 11:27 AM
oh ok i know what you mean know. well i want it to be ported so i can get some hairtricks going on when i get the second zcon put in

IonRL205
02-28-2013, 11:52 AM
You're better off waiting to get the 2nd zcon before you do your wall.

Easiest way to do it would build a box for your two Zcons in the back seat area and just build a baffle to go around it that contours to the shape of your car that seals it up.

wetole
02-28-2013, 11:58 AM
well im going to just build two different boxes because its going to be awhile before i can get the second zcon. but how should i build the box? like ive seen like wooden rods like bracing the box ive seen a 2x4 board helping hold up the 75 pound zcon. whats the best way to do that?

pro-rabbit
02-28-2013, 12:03 PM
The type of bracing is typically more based on your skill level with tools, what you have access to, and what the design allows for.

wetole
02-28-2013, 12:06 PM
well i mean what would be the difference in sound by bracing the box vs. not bracing the box?

pro-rabbit
02-28-2013, 12:08 PM
well i mean what would be the difference in sound by bracing the box vs. not bracing the box?

You lose output by allowing the enclosure to flex. Another issue that can/will happen is that if the baffle itself flexes the sub can/will rip itself out of the enclosure entirely. You can also damage the enclosure by it cracking in various areas or seems coming apart.

wetole
02-28-2013, 12:18 PM
You lose output by allowing the enclosure to flex. Another issue that can/will happen is that if the baffle itself flexes the sub can/will rip itself out of the enclosure entirely. You can also damage the enclosure by it cracking in various areas or seems coming apart.

alright so how can i stop all that from happening?

PapaGeno21
02-28-2013, 12:20 PM
By adding proper bracing.

erod
02-28-2013, 12:26 PM
good luck with your build samething in tryin to do in a corolla tried lookin for pics of cars with wall cant really find sum

wetole
02-28-2013, 01:00 PM
By adding proper bracing.

so what would be the proper bracing for that?

PapaGeno21
02-28-2013, 02:46 PM
Accidental post, nevermind.

wetole
03-02-2013, 12:11 PM
anyone have any other ideas? i really wanna do this right and have a sick system but i need some ideas for the bracing of the box and such. give me some feed back!

Phoenix Risen
03-02-2013, 12:25 PM
bracing can be anything from wood to steel, just get your design down and look for what could be weak points, (big flat panels with no support) and brace it. its a pretty simple concept.

wetole
03-02-2013, 12:33 PM
oh ok i see what your saying. alright thanks for the tips. oh and if i have the sub facing the windshield will i need to brace the massive 75 pound sub up with something or is that not necessary?

bubbagumper6
03-02-2013, 12:48 PM
You could build something to cradle the motor if you're worried about it putting too much stress on the front wall. But minimum double baffle for the front especially with a sub that size.

wetole
03-02-2013, 12:55 PM
i mean ive seen someone use a 2x4 to support the magnet of the sub to help brace it up. heres something of what i mean:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=moXQFqBiUtE
just watch like the first 15 seconds of it. but should i do something like that to hold the subs up?

Slo_Ride
03-02-2013, 12:56 PM
Atleast1 1/2" thick front wall. I use all thread a lot with some big washers and nuts. Either that or cut up some 2"x2" pieces of wood.

Slo_Ride
03-02-2013, 12:57 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=moXQFqBiUtE



just me but i wouldnt do that

wetole
03-02-2013, 01:05 PM
well i mean that guy in the video is an idiot i mean he put 450 watts to an smd.....

Slo_Ride
03-02-2013, 01:08 PM
I just dont think its necessary. The more bracing you have, the less space you have.

wetole
03-02-2013, 01:09 PM
alright but as long as i have good enough bolts holding the sub in to enough wood then i should be fine right?

Slo_Ride
03-02-2013, 01:11 PM
yep

itsblown
03-02-2013, 01:17 PM
alright but as long as i have good enough bolts holding the sub in to enough wood then i should be fine right? lol no you wont be.. that much moving mass even if its double baffled and bolted in will move the the box if there is no bracing

Slo_Ride
03-02-2013, 01:19 PM
lol no you wont be.. that much moving mass even if its double baffled and bolted in will move the the box if there is no bracing

He knows he needs bracing.

wetole
03-02-2013, 01:58 PM
i just mean for the sub, ik i need bracing for the box but its the actual sub that im worried about at this point.

Slo_Ride
03-02-2013, 02:18 PM
i just mean for the sub, ik i need bracing for the box but its the actual sub that im worried about at this point.

Right, brace the box not the sub.

wetole
03-02-2013, 02:24 PM
alright sounds awesome thanks!