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Why So Cereal?
01-29-2013, 07:07 PM
and the ability to fit any driver size you want in your door.....

What components would you go with?

EDIT: Active works as well, but only doing 2 way active fronts

SourDeez
01-29-2013, 07:08 PM
Is this going in a Hummer limo?

Why So Cereal?
01-29-2013, 07:13 PM
Is this going in a Hummer limo?

:sneaky:

T.I.K.
01-29-2013, 07:26 PM
If I had a limo, I would have a nicer sound system up front than in back.

Imtjnotu
01-29-2013, 07:32 PM
JL Audio 8 way front stage

Why So Cereal?
01-29-2013, 07:41 PM
JL Audio 8 way front stage

When I saw your name I assumed you were gonna suggest HAT.

I do like the JL ZRs though :fyi: and they're like 500 or so

hispls
01-29-2013, 07:45 PM
With that budget why not go active?

Dtrom
01-29-2013, 07:45 PM
Jl c5 are amazing

ciaonzo
01-29-2013, 07:51 PM
With 1k, you go active. Why suffer the consequences of passive filter if you don't have to?

momax_powers
01-29-2013, 07:56 PM
Jl c5 are amazing

c5 3way

murph
01-29-2013, 07:59 PM
Active!

Sonic.
01-29-2013, 08:04 PM
ScanSpeak The Madisound Speaker Store (http://www.madisoundspeakerstore.com/auto-kits/scanspeak-6.5-2-way-signature-car-audio-kit/)

WoofersEtc.com - 165KRX2 - Focal 6.5" KRX2 2-way Component System (http://www.woofersetc.com/p-7914-165krx2-focal-65-krx2-2-way-component-system.aspx)

neo_styles
01-29-2013, 08:07 PM
Either Scanspeak Deluxe kit or the BG Neo10 mids (200 each), Neo3 tweets (100 each), and Dayton RS 8" midbasses (50 each). Run 'em active.

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Hell, if you can fit the 10" Dayton mids, go with those.

http://www.madisoundspeakerstore.com/auto-kits/scanspeak-6.5-2-way-signature-car-audio-kit/

-OR-

http://www.parts-express.com/pe/showdetl.cfm?partnumber=295-357
http://www.parts-express.com/pe/showdetl.cfm?partnumber=264-715
http://www.parts-express.com/pe/showdetl.cfm?partnumber=264-730

Why So Cereal?
01-29-2013, 08:08 PM
With that budget why not go active?


With 1k, you go active. Why suffer the consequences of passive filter if you don't have to?

Because of the way things are looking. The build will be "SQL" oriented. Very SQ oriented up front with a strong sub stage out back thats not necessarily SQ oriented. The catch is that, I will be using a double din HU and I will be running rears.

I suppose, the only way around both those issues is to go with an external processor. In that case, I'll probably go with the MS8 (as I can't see the ARC PS8 really being worth the coin for what I'll be using it for).

Granted I go with the MS8, then yes I suppose I could go active. What drivers would you guys recommend at the price point?

I really like the Scan Illuminator mids as of now. But, I'm still searching.

murph
01-29-2013, 08:10 PM
Two of these Morel TiCW 634Nd Titanium Series Hybrid Cu 6" Woofer 4 Ohm 297-104 (http://www.parts-express.com/pe/showdetl.cfm?partnumber=297-104) with the PHD AF 1.c tweeters. Or with these http://www.madisoundspeakerstore.com/approx-6-midrange/morel-supreme-scm634-carbon-fiber-cone-midrange/.

Why So Cereal?
01-29-2013, 08:11 PM
Either Scanspeak Deluxe kit or the GB Neo10 mids (200 each), Neo3 tweets (100 each), and Dayton RS 8" midbasses (50 each). Run 'em active.

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Hell, if you can fit the 10" Dayton mids, go with those.

The Madisound Speaker Store (http://www.madisoundspeakerstore.com/auto-kits/scanspeak-6.5-2-way-signature-car-audio-kit/)

-OR-

Dayton Audio RS270-8 10" Reference Woofer 295-357 (http://www.parts-express.com/pe/showdetl.cfm?partnumber=295-357)
Bohlender Graebener Neo10 Planar Transducer 264-715 (http://www.parts-express.com/pe/showdetl.cfm?partnumber=264-715)
Bohlender Graebener Neo3W Planar Tweeter w/Back Cup 264-730 (http://www.parts-express.com/pe/showdetl.cfm?partnumber=264-730)

If I go active, I'll only do 2 way fronts.

The MS8 has 8 outs right?

Tweeters + mids + rears = 6
Subs + Center = 2

That takes care of all 8 channels there.

In order to do 3 way front, I would have to eliminate rears.

neo_styles
01-29-2013, 08:13 PM
If I go active, I'll only do 2 way fronts.

The MS8 has 8 outs right?

Tweeters + mids + rears = 6
Subs + Center = 2

That takes care of all 8 channels there.

In order to do 3 way front, I would have to eliminate rears.

Or you can eliminate the center. MS8's Logic7 processing does center channel simulator well enough

Why So Cereal?
01-29-2013, 08:15 PM
Or you can eliminate the center. MS8's Logic7 processing does center channel simulator well enough

Even eliminating the center doesn't leave enough channels for the midbass drivers of a 3 way front stage.

That just opens up one channel.

hispls
01-29-2013, 08:16 PM
Because of the way things are looking. The build will be "SQL" oriented. Very SQ oriented up front with a strong sub stage out back thats not necessarily SQ oriented. The catch is that, I will be using a double din HU and I will be running rears.

I suppose, the only way around both those issues is to go with an external processor. In that case, I'll probably go with the MS8 (as I can't see the ARC PS8 really being worth the coin for what I'll be using it for).

Granted I go with the MS8, then yes I suppose I could go active. What drivers would you guys recommend at the price point?

I really like the Scan Illuminator mids as of now. But, I'm still searching.


Planned on using rears with no processing and SQ don't belong in the same paragraph.

I just got some SEAS lotus tweeters that I like a lot. I'd be very interested in trying thier mids.

I really really like planar mids/tweets but they can be finicky about playing off-axis so you need good locations. I've done a 3 way with 6.5" midbass, planar mid, and soft dome tweet, that I really liked.

neo_styles
01-29-2013, 08:16 PM
Even eliminating the center doesn't leave enough channels for the midbass drivers of a 3 way front stage.

That just opens up one channel.

In that case, just strike the planar mids except those are definitely the crown jewel of the setup

shadow
01-29-2013, 08:20 PM
Dynaudio ESOTEC SYSTEM two way another couple of bills you could get the three way with 8" midbass...
Think I'm going to run some this year...

Why So Cereal?
01-29-2013, 08:20 PM
Planned on using rears with no processing and SQ don't belong in the same paragraph.
The rears we're going to be delayed by a mini DSP and attenuated. They would only have been missing the differenced signal (or whatever processing the MS8 does to them)
I just got some SEAS lotus tweeters that I like a lot. I'd be very interested in trying thier mids.
I hear SEAS makes awesome tweeters. I never hear much remarkable about their mids, but I do hear that they are solid enough and never much bad so I will consider them.
I really really like planar mids/tweets but they can be finicky about playing off-axis so you need good locations. I've done a 3 way with 6.5" midbass, planar mid, and soft dome tweet, that I really liked.

Your comment about the planars is the main reason that I'm against them. I would need to do a lot of playing with aiming on them, and while that part is fine and I do that with all of my setups anyway, the looks of the Planars just do not fit every location IMO and I don't want to end up with the optimal sounding spot being the most aesthetically unpleasing spot.

neo_styles
01-29-2013, 08:22 PM
Dynaudio ESOTEC SYSTEM two way another couple of bills you could get the three way with 8" midbass...
Think I'm going to run some this year...

That esotec wideband mid is deep as hell, though. It is closed back so I guess you could just loosely mount it in the kick. TaylorFade ; had some experience with either the esotar or the esotech. He could probably shed some light on it.

neo_styles
01-29-2013, 08:23 PM
Your comment about the planars is the main reason that I'm against them. I would need to do a lot of playing with aiming on them, and while that part is fine and I do that with all of my setups anyway, the looks of the Planars just do not fit every location IMO and I don't want to end up with the optimal sounding spot being the most aesthetically unpleasing spot.

There's a really good build log with the BG planar mids and tweets on DIYMA. He just wrapped them in grille cloth and mounted them up the a-pillars. couldn't even really tell they were there.

Why So Cereal?
01-29-2013, 08:24 PM
Dynaudio ESOTEC SYSTEM two way another couple of bills you could get the three way with 8" midbass...
Think I'm going to run some this year...

yep I saw those, I think on woofersetc.

My concern with 3 ways was driver value per dollar.

In other words, how much better are the drivers in $1k 2 way in comparison to a $1k 3 way set where the money is split between two extra drivers and crossover components for them?

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There's a really good build log with the BG planar mids and tweets on DIYMA. He just wrapped them in grille cloth and mounted them up the a-pillars. couldn't even really tell they were there.

I have been looking for something like that. Same idea I was toying with in my head.

Got a link to it?

neo_styles
01-29-2013, 08:25 PM
yep I saw those, I think on woofersetc.

My concern with 3 ways was driver value per dollar.

In other words, how much better are the drivers in $1k 2 way in comparison to a $1k 3 way set where the money is split between two extra drivers and crossover components for them?

The esotec benefits immensely from that wideband mid. It's a solid choice if you have the processing for it, but the size would be my concern. It'll take some decent fab to get those where you'd want them

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I have been looking for something like that. Same idea I was toying with in my head.

Got a link to it?

It's bookmarked on my Chrome. I'll PM it to you when I get home. System must have sounded amazing with all the work he put into it.

murph
01-29-2013, 08:25 PM
26539678 Can you really get better tweets than that for the money.

Why So Cereal?
01-29-2013, 08:29 PM
The esotec benefits immensely from that wideband mid. It's a solid choice if you have the processing for it, but the size would be my concern. It'll take some decent fab to get those where you'd want them

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It's bookmarked on my Chrome. I'll PM it to you when I get home. System must have sounded amazing with all the work he put into it.

I'll have to look into the Dims of it then. I'll more than likely head up to my pillars for the mids and tweeters as opposed to kicks.

Def shoot me that link

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26539678 Can you really get better tweets than that for the money.

Those the PHDs?

shadow
01-29-2013, 08:30 PM
I'm running Milles three way right now and I like have'n my mid and tweeter above my dash...
I have ran them as two way and they sounded great that way also... Just for my install having the mid and tweeter above my dash works for me...

murph
01-29-2013, 08:31 PM
Those the PHDs?

I would like to see a product and pricing list from them.

Yeah they are the AF 1.c tweet's f'n ****. Hit up geoff for pricing.

Why So Cereal?
01-29-2013, 08:32 PM
I'm running Milles three way right now and I like have'n my mid and tweeter above my dash...
I have ran them as two way and they sounded great that way also... Just for my install having the mid and tweeter above my dash works for me...

The Hertz Milles are pretty much the only ones I like from Hertz.

I would trust their 3 way to please me. Aren't they a little over 1k?

Why So Cereal?
01-29-2013, 08:35 PM
Yeah they are the AF 1.c tweet's f'n ****. Hit up geoff for pricing.

I may consider them. I'll have to see what they're selling for.

shadow
01-29-2013, 08:36 PM
The Hertz Milles are pretty much the only ones I like from Hertz.

I would trust their 3 way to please me. Aren't they a little over 1k?

Man you would $hit if I told you what I didn't pay for these....

Why So Cereal?
01-29-2013, 08:38 PM
Man you would $hit if I told you what I didn't pay for these....

Then you can sell em to me cheap when you're done with em ;)

shadow
01-29-2013, 08:41 PM
Then you can sell em to me cheap when you're done with em ;)

Yes Sir....

shadow
01-29-2013, 08:42 PM
I even have the passives that go with them....:D

neo_styles
01-29-2013, 09:27 PM
2010 Fusion SQ Installation Thread - DIYMA Car Audio Forum (http://www.diymobileaudio.com/forum/build-logs-project-install-gallery/69600-2010-fusion-sq-installation-thread.html)

Here's the link, bud. Keep napkins happy because you will...

http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20101002083845/vsrecommendedgames/images/b/bf/I_jizz_in_my_pants_by_HOLIMOUNT.jpg

neo_styles
01-29-2013, 09:32 PM
I'll have to look into the Dims of it then. I'll more than likely head up to my pillars for the mids and tweeters as opposed to kicks.

Def shoot me that link

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Those the PHDs?

Those esotec mids won't fit in your a-pillars. Gonna have to fab some pods for them instead.

Why So Cereal?
01-29-2013, 10:01 PM
Looks like I'll be going active because I'm about to be the proud owner of these:

Scan Goodnesssss (http://www.madisoundspeakerstore.com/scanspeak-woofers-6-7/scanspeak-illuminator-18wu/4741t-00-7-woofer-4-ohm/)

Trigger...pulled.

neo_styles
01-29-2013, 10:04 PM
Those Illuminators are amazing. Nice score. Price per pair?





























Yeah, I know...ouch.

Why So Cereal?
01-29-2013, 11:03 PM
Should be worth it

Now I need tweets

neo_styles
01-29-2013, 11:10 PM
Should be worth it

Now I need tweets

Lol you already have the Illuminators, why not match them up with the Revelators?

murph
01-29-2013, 11:13 PM
Should be worth it

Now I need tweets

Those Phd's man...

Bettr n' Revrse
01-29-2013, 11:20 PM
Those Phd's man...

Geoff has his playing down to 1250

Falcons
01-29-2013, 11:23 PM
phd's ftw. gonna run them this summer ;)

Why So Cereal?
01-29-2013, 11:23 PM
Lol you already have the Illuminators, why not match them up with the Revelators?

Def an option


Those Phd's man...

Gotta talk to the dealers and do some more research

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Geoff has his playing down to 1250

Wow, hmm, that sounds nice.

Bettr n' Revrse
01-29-2013, 11:27 PM
Def an option



Gotta talk to the dealers and do some more research

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Wow, hmm, that sounds nice.

What do you need to know?

Why So Cereal?
01-29-2013, 11:46 PM
What do you need to know?

resonant frequency

Off axis charts if u have them

And price

Why So Cereal?
01-29-2013, 11:46 PM
What do you need to know?

resonant frequency

Off axis charts if u have them

And price

Bettr n' Revrse
01-29-2013, 11:50 PM
Ill see what I have on them... My Email keeps grouping emails and it gets rid of the attachments!

audiobaun
01-30-2013, 12:39 AM
and the ability to fit any driver size you want in your door.....

What components would you go with?

EDIT: Active works as well, but only doing 2 way active fronts

A good friend of mine is Running Hertz MLK, and they sound so BA !

Why So Cereal?
01-30-2013, 01:38 PM
Bump for tweeters for Scan Illuminator mids

Gonna say budget of 500-600

Timmy13091
01-30-2013, 01:43 PM
Bump for tweeters for Scan Illuminator mids

Gonna say budget of 500-600

I think cdt is deff worth looking into ecspecially the es line...

Why So Cereal?
01-30-2013, 03:30 PM
I think cdt is deff worth looking into ecspecially the es line...

I've looked into CDT before....never really been too impressed with the value per dollar.

Timmy13091
01-30-2013, 03:33 PM
I've looked into CDT before....never really been too impressed with the value per dollar.

Lol that's funny

neo_styles
01-30-2013, 03:41 PM
I've looked into CDT before....never really been too impressed with the value per dollar.

Thank you for this. Though I do like the idea behind the upstage system.

If you want to go nuts, try the HAT widebands.

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Gonna have to up your budget if you can't find them open box, though. Just realized they're 650 on his site

Why So Cereal?
01-30-2013, 03:43 PM
Thank you for this. Though I do like the idea behind the upstage system.

If you want to go nuts, try the HAT widebands.

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Gonna have to up your budget if you can't find them open box, though. Just realized they're 650 on his site

Don't care for HAT anymore than I do CDT.

neo_styles
01-30-2013, 03:45 PM
Don't care for HAT anymore than I do CDT.

It was just a thought. Why not just do the BG Neo3 tweets? Closed back, impressive range, will be airy as **** and won't break the bank...

Otherwise, I stand by the Scanspeaks or maybe even the Seas Lotus.

Why So Cereal?
01-30-2013, 04:32 PM
It was just a thought. Why not just do the BG Neo3 tweets? Closed back, impressive range, will be airy as **** and won't break the bank...

Otherwise, I stand by the Scanspeaks or maybe even the Seas Lotus.

Don't like the looks of the BG Neo3s

I am leaning towards the Scans as of now. Still waiting on info on the PHD gear too, though.

av83
01-30-2013, 04:40 PM
resonant frequency

Off axis charts if u have them

And price

Here's the one's for mine. That 1.C TW probably has far different specs than the one's I run, since they are chambered... but, it's something to look at.

My tweeters:

http://img255.imageshack.us/img255/596/20130130144606.jpg
http://img545.imageshack.us/img545/3571/20130130144558.jpg
http://img546.imageshack.us/img546/8494/20130130144546.jpg


& the woofers:

http://img7.imageshack.us/img7/3551/20130130144439.jpg
http://img145.imageshack.us/img145/8889/20130130144425.jpg

Why So Cereal?
01-30-2013, 04:45 PM
Here's the one's for mine. That 1.C TW probably has far different specs than the one's I run, since they are chambered... but, it's something to look at.

My tweeters:

http://img255.imageshack.us/img255/596/20130130144606.jpg
http://img545.imageshack.us/img545/3571/20130130144558.jpg
http://img546.imageshack.us/img546/8494/20130130144546.jpg


& the woofers:

http://img7.imageshack.us/img7/3551/20130130144439.jpg
http://img145.imageshack.us/img145/8889/20130130144425.jpg

Thanks man.

How do u like em?

neo_styles
01-30-2013, 04:46 PM
Those FR curves look a little too smooth for me...then again I could be paranoid.

There's a review on DIYMA about the AF tweets mentioning they're not as impressive as the midrange, but not sure if he was intending to talk down the tweets. I'd imagine that applies to the rest of the line as well.

Why So Cereal?
01-30-2013, 04:54 PM
Those FR curves look a little too smooth for me...then again I could be paranoid.

There's a review on DIYMA about the AF tweets mentioning they're not as impressive as the midrange, but not sure if he was intending to talk down the tweets. I'd imagine that applies to the rest of the line as well.

I didn't even pay attention the FR graphs.

I just wanted to get an idea of the resonant frequencies of PHD tweeters. Hell, even those ones he has should play low enough to blend nicely with the Scans. So, I'm pretty sure the higher lines will do well.

I'm still looking into reviews myself though.

So, far, I'm liking the Scans but, while I'm pretty sure the mids are worth the coin, I can't say I'm as convinced on the tweeters.

kramer_212
01-30-2013, 05:01 PM
audison voce k6

neo_styles
01-30-2013, 05:03 PM
I didn't even pay attention the FR graphs.

I just wanted to get an idea of the resonant frequencies of PHD tweeters. Hell, even those ones he has should play low enough to blend nicely with the Scans. So, I'm pretty sure the higher lines will do well.

I'm still looking into reviews myself though.

So, far, I'm liking the Scans but, while I'm pretty sure the mids are worth the coin, I can't say I'm as convinced on the tweeters.

Really? Haven't heard anything negative about the Revelators

neo_styles
01-30-2013, 05:10 PM
The Madisound Speaker Store (http://www.madisoundspeakerstore.com/ring-radiator-tweeters/scanspeak-revelator-r2904/7000-09-tweeter-black-face-black-plug/)

C'mon...tell me those aren't pure ***?

neo_styles
01-30-2013, 05:12 PM
The Madisound Speaker Store (http://www.madisoundspeakerstore.com/scanspeak-soft-dome-tweeters/scanspeak-illuminator-d2004/6020-00-tweeter/)

Or the FR curve on this?

av83
01-30-2013, 05:14 PM
Thanks man.

How do u like em?

I love them to death. I don't have the experience with higher end brands that many here do, but compared to what I have heard... mind blown, lol. I can't wait to see how well they do crossed lower. They're currently at 3.55 khz -12db slope. If I could describe them with a just couple of words it would be smooth, powerful, and articulate.

The mid bass is unreal... Just freaking spectacular.

I wish I could say something negative about them just so my assessment had more credibility, since there's always a downside to any driver. But it's hard to come up with anything, atm.

nismos14
01-30-2013, 05:39 PM
Dynaudio System 362

Why So Cereal?
01-31-2013, 09:00 AM
The Madisound Speaker Store (http://www.madisoundspeakerstore.com/scanspeak-soft-dome-tweeters/scanspeak-illuminator-d2004/6020-00-tweeter/)

Or the FR curve on this?

Really feeling these.

Cheap too