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BlueMagic12
01-27-2013, 08:20 PM
Wassup guys, so i have a 2013 accord.

Some of you who saw my last thread i was stuck between diamond audio, CDT, and HAT. anyway i ended up going with diamond audio.

so i go up to m audio shop this past week and he has in something new. Illusion Audio. I did some research on here and heard people talk about them. I LOVED THEM !!!!!! more bass and louder than my diamond audio.. supposely there back in bussiness? thing is if im going to upgrade i might as well do it right

1. Focal 6.5 components
or
2. Illusion Audio.

any suggestions?? if i do focal. ima do FULLL setup of focal amp, subs and speakers

BlueMagic12
01-27-2013, 08:23 PM
your more then welcome to offer something else. Ive heard PLENTY of talk about CDT BUT I HAVENT HEARD THEM MYSELF. my audio claims there are much better in his opinion than CDT

trumpet
01-28-2013, 04:11 PM
What Diamond speakers did you get?

OnYrMrk
01-28-2013, 04:14 PM
Of those two, I have been sponsored by Focal, and the Illusion speakers are much more balanced. The tweeters flow very evenly with the midrange. Not harsh like the focal's tend to be. Also you may want to give PHD a look too. Who is your dealer? Maybe they might be interested in another line. :D

PHD - USA
01-28-2013, 04:15 PM
Illusion is indeed back in business and being imported by ORCA. Awesome speakers, but so are the PHD speakers we are talking about right now =]

BlueMagic12
01-28-2013, 04:17 PM
What Diamond speakers did you get?

I have the convertible. SX series. SX65v is what i currently run.

hispls
01-28-2013, 04:22 PM
Implying that the speakers in a sound-board sound better than the ones in your doors because the speakers are better?

BlueMagic12
01-28-2013, 04:24 PM
Implying that the speakers in a sound-board sound better than the ones in your doors because the speakers are better?

TRUE but at my audio shop he has ALL SPEAKER run off HU power no amps at all. so its like true sound

not to mention the illusion audio were 6.5 speakers whereas next to them he has diamond audio 6x9 speakers. i was amazaed at the ILLSUION AUDIO

Beerdrnkr
01-28-2013, 04:26 PM
Illusion audio all day unless you're going up to the focal utopias. Never heard PHD before so I can't really comment on them.

hispls
01-28-2013, 04:29 PM
TRUE but at my audio shop he has ALL SPEAKER run off HU power no amps at all. so its like true sound

not to mention the illusion audio were 6.5 speakers whereas next to them he has diamond audio 6x9 speakers. i was amazaed at the ILLSUION AUDIO

You are listening to them on-axis in an enclosure. They will sound very different down by your ankles in a door (probably not properly deadened and sealed)

Just saying, install has much more to do with the sound you'll get than what brand of components you use.

BlueMagic12
01-28-2013, 04:32 PM
You are listening to them on-axis in an enclosure. They will sound very different down by your ankles in a door (probably not properly deadened and sealed)

Just saying, install has much more to do with the sound you'll get than what brand of components you use.

your completely right i guess i never looked at it like this ...thanks

but and the end of day which would your recommend?? =)

hispls
01-28-2013, 04:58 PM
your completely right i guess i never looked at it like this ...thanks

but and the end of day which would your recommend?? =)

Flip a coin, as long as you're into a good quality driver one's as good as the next IMO then it comes down to personal preference. Still any way you slice it you won't know how they sound in your doors until they are in your doors. Spend some time and effort treating the doors or building some kickpanels then pretty much anything you put in will sound great.

trumpet
01-28-2013, 04:58 PM
Which Illusion speakers did you listen to? They have sets that cost far more than your Diamond speakers, and I've been reading that the top end Illusion speakers are worth the increased cost over their entry level speakers.

About the sound board using HU power, this is a very poor way to demonstrate speakers. They won't sound great with the volume turned up high, plus you'll have distortion making the speakers sound louder than they would on much less distorted amplifier power. It's also very easy to make one speaker sound louder than another on a sound board as very small adjustments will change the levels audibly. These adjustments don't need to be readily apparent, especially if you're not in control of the demo.

BlueMagic12
01-28-2013, 05:17 PM
Which Illusion speakers did you listen to? They have sets that cost far more than your Diamond speakers, and I've been reading that the top end Illusion speakers are worth the increased cost over their entry level speakers.

About the sound board using HU power, this is a very poor way to demonstrate speakers. They won't sound great with the volume turned up high, plus you'll have distortion making the speakers sound louder than they would on much less distorted amplifier power. It's also very easy to make one speaker sound louder than another on a sound board as very small adjustments will change the levels audibly. These adjustments don't need to be readily apparent, especially if you're not in control of the demo.

He said they were entry level illusion audio . I beleive he said around 199.99 . i know they were 6.5

okiedokie
02-03-2013, 12:34 PM
The new illusion speakers are warm sounding speakers.
They are made by Peerless of India.

Don't waste your money on CDT.

Your diamond can sound very good with a processor.

Are your doors deaden?
Placement, aiming, is very important to making any speaker sound great.

trumpet
02-03-2013, 01:08 PM
The new illusion speakers are warm sounding speakers.
They are made by Peerless of India.

Don't waste your money on CDT.

Your diamond can sound very good with a processor.

Are your doors deaden?
Placement, aiming, is very important to making any speaker sound great.

By your logic CDT has every reason to be included with the other brands you mentioned. Installation technique and tuning needs to be addressed for any system to sound as good as it can. Brand name should be secondary to desired performance, but some brands come with better manufacturer support than others.

okiedokie
02-03-2013, 09:07 PM
^^^
You really think CDT Audio should be mentioned as in likes of
1) Focal
2) hybrid
3) Morel
4) Seas
5) Scan speak
6) Rainbow
7) PHD
Etc.... ?
CDT> Peerless drivers
I have own the ES line which has , not great but good upper midrange.
The midbass lacks, which you can't add with a processor.
I see on CDT website that there newer mids seem to have better specs.
The tweeters Are very harsh even compared to Focal or the old MB Quarts

Yes I would agree that install, aiming, & tuning is the most important thing.

ace_800
02-03-2013, 09:32 PM
I had the Diamond Hex and hated how they sounded. Same as the Massive's I just replaced. Neither had a smooth tweeter, always harsh, no mid bass. The best sounding ones I have ran has been Boston Pro60's and the current Hertz I'm running

Bettr n' Revrse
02-03-2013, 09:35 PM
I had the Diamond Hex and hated how they sounded. Same as the Massive's I just replaced. Neither had a smooth tweeter, always harsh, no mid bass. The best sounding ones I have ran has been Boston Pro60's and the current Hertz I'm running

OP I am selling a set of the Original Eton made diamond audio HEX's if your interested...

customaudioman
04-02-2013, 12:05 PM
Did you ever pull the trigger on the illusion speakers? I just installed a set of their top of the line Carbon C6 components in a 05 Subaru Legacy. We where going to initially install Arc Audio flagship Black series 2 way components, but due to size issues in the door and not much feedback on the sound quality... we decided to try slim Illusion Audio. Im please to stay, these components are really awesome. great detail from the tweeters, accurate mid bass and handles power nicely. but then again, you get what you pay for...@ $1k retail it pretty steep for some on a budget install. I would put these up against components costing twice or several time over it price. Their entry level( Electra) is like other companies mid level speakers.They start at $299 for the 6.5 components, but sounds better then others that are in that price range.

This is what the carbon C6 $999 look like
http://i562.photobucket.com/albums/ss63/customaudioman/20130320_212705_zps6a09a240.jpg
http://i562.photobucket.com/albums/ss63/customaudioman/20130320_212642_zps710b4345.jpghttp://i562.photobucket.com/albums/ss63/customaudioman/20130320_212811_zpsc4e681d4.jpg
http://i562.photobucket.com/albums/ss63/customaudioman/20130320_212849_zps86fd3d86.jpg

These are the Electra E6 components $299
http://i562.photobucket.com/albums/ss63/customaudioman/20130314_031523_zps45e7fe11.jpg
http://i562.photobucket.com/albums/ss63/customaudioman/20130313_145454_zpse66a26d5.jpg

okiedokie
04-04-2013, 03:23 AM
I want those C6 mids

PHD - USA
04-04-2013, 10:38 AM
I want those C6 mids

The mids are nice, but the tweets.... Those tweets......Are teh SECKS

bigbrother54
07-05-2013, 02:57 PM
I had a set of the PHD 6.5 pro's installed in my 2012 Galant and absolutely am blown away with their performance. The tweets sound amazingly true to life with no harshness at all and the Mids are absolutely the best that I have heard. I have heard the focals and the Illusions and still pick the PHD's. give them a try and see if you're not as impressed as I am.

argenis69
07-05-2013, 04:22 PM
where can I find the rms watts specs of those illusion speakers?

bigbrother54
07-05-2013, 04:29 PM
hi. here is the info that you requested. the shops name is "Drive Customs" #805-541-4455 (http://www.caraudio.com/forums/usertag.php?do=list&action=hash&hash=805-541-4455) Car Audio, Video, & Restyling | Drive Customs (http://www.drivecustoms.com). the owners name is Jay and he will be more than glad to assistyou in anyway that he can. He takes his business very serious. he is located in San Luis Obispo, Ca. He handles the Illusion and Focal lines not to mention he is extremely knowledgeable about anything to do with stereo equipment and installs.

Hoodlum007
07-10-2013, 02:06 PM
Had some illusion audio like 10 years ago and loved them, great to see them back ill have to see if i can listen to them.

bigbrother54
07-10-2013, 02:09 PM
yes they are some great speakers but don't under estimate the PHD's. they really are some awesome speakers.

customaudioman
11-08-2013, 10:50 AM
update on speaker choice?

customaudioman
11-08-2013, 02:47 PM
I also don't judge how speaker sound in a sound board. Ive heard $300 speakers sound as good as $1,000 speakers. I like to have people listen to the equipment in a build Ive completed.

customaudioman
11-08-2013, 03:38 PM
Check out these 8" component set that I installed in a 2013 dodge challenger RT.
http://i562.photobucket.com/albums/ss63/customaudioman/20130621_221911_zpse2c4136e.jpg

http://i562.photobucket.com/albums/ss63/customaudioman/20130621_221810_zps297fbf94.jpg

customaudioman
11-08-2013, 03:52 PM
The Carbon C6 vs Carbon C8 size comparison
http://i562.photobucket.com/albums/ss63/customaudioman/20130622_104304_zps50c1b203.jpg

http://i562.photobucket.com/albums/ss63/customaudioman/20130622_104344_zps0220f5d6.jpg

Which one would you rather have in your door? lol

dgage
11-08-2013, 04:09 PM
I'd rather HAVE the C8 in my door but it'd be easier to install the C6. I just picked up the C4 component set and plan to purchase and install a set of C8s soon. I used to have Illusions and I can't wait to get a full set of Illusion Carbon 1/4/8 installed in my car. Thanks for the pics.

What's the sound comparison of the C6 vs the C8? How deep can the C8 play compared to the C6? Thanks.

David

customaudioman
11-08-2013, 11:15 PM
I will be doing the c8 in the doors c4 mid in the kick and the tweeter in the dash. The c8 have more output volume/deeper bass then the c6 for sure. I installed the c6 in a dodge challenger doors of one challenger then c8 in another challenger. both sounded great, but the one with the c8 had better doing lower range and it help to have more cone area. I will be ordering mine soon to start my car for my shop.

dgage
11-09-2013, 12:43 AM
Thanks for the comparative feedback!