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neo_styles
01-24-2013, 10:19 PM
Review of: Audio Technix 4ga OFC, Premium Quality RCA cable, 0 and 4ga ring terminals, RCA splitters, and 14/10ga CCA speaker wire


Funny how I just looked in this section again to see my Knu review/first looks are still at the top, so I guess this will be joining it. I just received my order from Coleman at Audio Technix. I won't be talking about shipping times since the order was placed December 28th and I had to wait for a new shipment to come in before I could get my hands on the new goodies. What I will say is that Coleman (and Rick) were extremely helpful and patient through my barrage of questions on stock updates. Anyway, here are the contents of the order:

6ft Silver-tinned OFC 4ga power wire
5ft 10ga CCA speaker wire
30ft 14ga CCA speaker wire
3 0ga ring terminals
4 4ga ring terminals
A pair of 1F-2M RCA splitters
One 1M-2F RCA splitters
AND TWO FREE VINYL DECALS OMFGFTMFW!!! (hey, I like free stuff)

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Here's the whole shebang.

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These RCAs are apparently a new offering from AT as the basic line are called the "High Quality" RCAs while the ones pictured are the "Premium Quality." First major differences I can note are that the connectors are now all-metal with split tips, the whole sleeve is now covered in techflex, and there are boots to reinforce the area where the cable splits out to each connector. There are also, as identified by the packaging, color choices of 2/4-channel or white/black.

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Now for the 4ga OFC. I requested OFC 4ga and ended up with silver-tinned OFC. IIRC, the silver tinning helps fight corrosion of the copper, being more forgiving of a lesser-clean install. According to the jacket, strand count is 1,862 vs Knu's 2,058. I contribute the lower count due to the fact it's silver-tinned and they wanted to keep it true to AWG standards. The differences, I believe, will be minimal. And OH! How flexible it is...just look at those knots. About a quarter in diameter, to give you a better idea. This will go quite nicely with the Knu 0ga already in my Passat.

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Also apparently new to the lineup are RCA splitters. I requested these from Coleman on a whim since the old site had no mention of them and was pleasantly surprised I didn't have to look elsewhere for these. Forgive the crappy photo, but you can see it well enough. From the single connection point to the junction, it looks to be extremely well-insulated. Beyond the junction, each wire comes in twisted pair out to solidly-built connectors. all internal wiring is covered by a clear jacket as well to make sure you don't slice it open too easily. I like the fact that each twisted pair and its terminal are also color-coded.

Sorry for the lack of speaker wire photos...I couldn't get the camera to focus well enough for my liking to really cover it, but if you've ordered the wire in the past, it really shouldn't be any different. While I like the fact that the positive and negative sides are different shapes as well as different colors, I do miss the grippy texture of my Knu wiring (guess you can't have it all).

I hope to get this installed after I buy a DMM. The plan is to bridge the 4-channel section of my Eclipse to get more juice to my MS comps, but don't want to eff it up/play the guessing game. Stay tuned for more in the future...

neo_styles
01-27-2013, 10:56 AM
Quick update(s) that I didn't get you yesterday. I installed the Y-adapters on my 36501 and noticed a couple things I didn't like. First, the grip of the male terminals is somewhat lacking to me. They slide on a bit too easily to the point where I'm worried they're going to fall off with too much movement. Have they done this yet? No, and my amp is not mounted to anything in the rear just to see if it will come loose. Additionally (and I don't necessarily blame this on the splitters), I learned that I can't have my cake and eat it too with the bridging. Because my amp can either be set up in 4-channel mode and have levels match on the front stage while losing control of my sub or I can be in 5-channel with a fully-present sub stage but have completely anemic volume on the driver's side. Explain to me how that makes sense with 8V preouts? My solution is to just get a separate amp and distribution blocks to run on the sub stage and should have that within a week or two.

In other news, my DMM is on order and expected to arrive Wednesday. Once I have that, I'll post some concrete specs on the Premium Quality RCAs for you guys as well as give them a little test run in the car. Hoping for good things...

I Like Waffle
01-27-2013, 11:03 AM
Lol, who is that in your sig? Reminds me of me in traffic. Looks like dave grohl

neo_styles
01-27-2013, 11:05 AM
It is the Grohl :cool:

NASTY08IMPALA
01-27-2013, 11:12 AM
How u like the rcas im getting 2 sets soon ..they look ******

Jayzbent
01-27-2013, 11:19 AM
I find it funny you order that stuff and get 2 stickers with your order. I order a butt load worth of stuff and got scratch even though I specifically asked for a sticker. I'm just bitter don't mind me. Good review though look forward to the premium RCA review. I have some sitting here waiting to be used also.

http://i147.photobucket.com/albums/r289/rebirthofman/IMG_1667.jpg

neo_styles
01-27-2013, 11:20 AM
On the looks end, they're incredible. At that price point I think Coleman has a solid-looking product. Especially since the plugs themselves are relatively tiny in comparison to, say Knu's. I have a set of Knu Krystals lying around here, so when the DMM comes in, I plan to take some resistance measurements and see how they stack up. I have a feeling, though, that the Knus are going to be put to shame by the AT. And 17ft of length is no joke, either.

neo_styles
01-27-2013, 11:21 AM
I find it funny you order that stuff and get 2 stickers with your order. I order a butt load worth of stuff and got scratch even though I specifically asked for a sticker. I'm just bitter don't mind me. Good review though look forward to the premium RCA review. I have some sitting here waiting to be used also.

http://i147.photobucket.com/albums/r289/rebirthofman/IMG_1667.jpg

Good score. Looks like what I'll have to order when I do an SUV build in about a year. Is that the CCA or silver-tinned OFC?

Jayzbent
01-27-2013, 11:22 AM
All OFC. He gave me a good deal so I can't really complain. I wanted a darn sticker to represent though! HEHE!

neo_styles
01-27-2013, 11:24 AM
All OFC

Purty. I'm jealous. Sad thing is I expected the 4ga to be more substantial, but then again realized he doesn't jacket his wire nearly as much as some other companies. The flexibility and price makes up for it, though.

Jayzbent
01-27-2013, 11:27 AM
Purty. I'm jealous. Sad thing is I expected the 4ga to be more substantial, but then again realized he doesn't jacket his wire nearly as much as some other companies. The flexibility and price makes up for it, though.
Yeah for sure.

Durango03
01-27-2013, 11:51 AM
Yeah for sure.

Not that Im bitter at all, I really like the quality of my AT gear.. but if it makes you feel any better I have ordered 175sqft of deadener, and about 100ft of various sizes of OFC wire and ended up having to purchased 2 stickers in order represent coleman's gear. He did send me a free lanyard once though! Obviously its on my key ring.

Jayzbent
01-27-2013, 12:02 PM
Not that Im bitter at all, I really like the quality of my AT gear.. but if it makes you feel any better I have ordered 175sqft of deadener, and about 100ft of various sizes of OFC wire and ended up having to purchased 2 stickers in order represent coleman's gear. He did send me a free lanyard once though! Obviously its on my key ring.
Yeah I actually want a bigger one than those so if I have to pay that's fine. I really don't mind. I just got to have 1 of some sort! LMAO!

av83
01-27-2013, 12:02 PM
All OFC. He gave me a good deal so I can't really complain. I wanted a darn sticker to represent though! HEHE!

He told me in an email once that he runs out of decals from time to time due to demand.


Nice review, neo_styles ;. One thing though, about comparing knu strand count to AT strand count... Knu markets their Kolossus line as oversized wire, so it dang well better be a lot bigger. But AT looks to be really decent stuff for wire that's not marketed as oversized. Looks very flexible.

av83
01-27-2013, 12:05 PM
Yeah I actually want a bigger one than those so if I have to pay that's fine. I really don't mind. I just got to have 1 of some sort! LMAO!

hit up your local tint/vinyl guy with a copy of the logo. most can/will make it any size or color you want.

neo_styles
01-27-2013, 12:08 PM
He told me in an email once that he runs out of decals from time to time due to demand.


Nice review, neo_styles ;. One thing though, about comparing knu strand count to AT strand count... Knu markets their Kolossus line as oversized wire, so it dang well better be a lot bigger. But AT looks to be really decent stuff for wire that's not marketed as oversized. Looks very flexible.

Good call. Forgot about the fact Knu oversizes everything (except for their alts). And yes, I'm pretty amazed at how flexible this stuff is. You really can't tell there's copper wire running through the internals as it bends more like string.

neo_styles
01-29-2013, 12:16 AM
Took a couple new pics and the DMM came in today, so I decided to take some measurements. In the future, I'll have to remember that you really don't get precision out of a $10 DMM (mine is an Equus 3300) as it's only accurate to 0.1 ohm and when the leads are shorted together I end up with 0.2 ohms, so keep that in mind.

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A much better shot of the pins and connector. I really like the fact that these pins are user-serviceable. Coleman though well enough in the design to allow the caps to unscrew easily enough but stay locked tight when you don't want them to. There is a split-pin design around the entirety of the pin as well instead of a four-point cut or a solid piece at the end.

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I'm sorry this photo came out as bad as it did, I'll have to reattempt in daylight hours and with the Canon since my small-boy doesn't do macro well. What i'm trying to show you is that the connections are soldered well enough and there isn't any spillover of solder fusing the ground and signal connections. Also, there is no obvious charring or melting of the wire which can cause issues with signal transmission along the jacket.

How did it fare with the DMM? Well enough for me. Pin to pin on the same wire run yields 0.2 ohms (remember that's as close to 0 as this DMM gets) and reads infinite from pin-ground and any other point along the jacket. I attribute this to the wire pants leading directly up to the barrel and the techflex jacketing along the wire run. Additionally, I detected no shorts from wire to wire at either the pins or the grounds. If these things do pick up external noise while being run in an interior, I would kinda be surprised.

I received similar measurements testing a 4-channel pair of Knu Krystal cables with 0.3 ohms pin-pin and infinite from pin-ground, but the jacketing is less substantial (think of the Klarity, just a wee bit thicker). That 0.1 ohm difference could actually have some significance in why people are getting noise as it seems some signal gets eaten up by the dielectric/insulation and could be shorting out to parts of the jacket.

I'm kinda excited now to put these through their paces now in the system. We may finally have a low-cost alternative to Monster that performs identically-well in the car environment. The proof will come if I can no longer hear noise on silent passages from my front stage. This became more prominent now that the front stage is bridged on my Eclipse and it's receiving more juice. Really not noticeable during most music, though.

neo_styles
01-29-2013, 12:27 AM
I enabled HDR mode on the iPhone and the quality got much better, so I have a couple more photos of the solder joints:

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Here's the best of the bunch. You can also see here that there's a little plastic cap that covers the solder connections when the cap is screwed on. This, I'm sure, helps out quite a bit to block out external signals at the cap. And, finally, it's easy to see no spillover of solder.

urmomsmin3
01-29-2013, 12:32 AM
i have the regular 4g ofc kit and i rlly like it i had a 4 gauge cadence kit in my last car dosent even compair tbh and who dosent love free stickers..lol ;)

neo_styles
01-29-2013, 12:39 AM
i have the regular 4g ofc kit and i rlly like it i had a 4 gauge cadence kit in my last car dosent even compair tbh and who dosent love free stickers..lol ;)

Shh...you're gonna make some people who never got theirs angry lol. Kinda hoping for a lanyard on the next order, though (hint, hint, wink, wink)

gumby688
01-29-2013, 12:39 AM
All OFC. He gave me a good deal so I can't really complain. I wanted a darn sticker to represent though! HEHE!

I have an extra one from some stuff I ordered PM me your addy and I will mail it to ya.

urmomsmin3
01-29-2013, 12:42 AM
Shh...you're gonna make some people who never got theirs angry lol. Kinda hoping for a lanyard on the next order, though (hint, hint, wink, wink)

haha oops :uhoh:

cthedinger
01-29-2013, 04:12 PM
All OFC. He gave me a good deal so I can't really complain. I wanted a darn sticker to represent though! HEHE!

Shoot an email to [email protected] with your shipping info and how many decals you want. Up to 4 for free :)

Rickdod3
01-29-2013, 04:33 PM
Awesome reviews! Glad to see we could get your order squared away...and as far as the decals go we JUST got them back in stock, we have been out for a few months.

neo_styles
02-03-2013, 12:28 AM
Awesome reviews! Glad to see we could get your order squared away...and as far as the decals go we JUST got them back in stock, we have been out for a few months.

Ehh it wasn't really your guys' fault as far as I can tell. USPS has been known to pull some weird stuff in the past.

Wanted to update the review thread with a few more tests. I went out today to reset the gains on my Eclipse, this time using a DMM, an thought it would be a great opportunity to test out the new RCAs before I made any adjustments. For the TL;DR types out there, my Knu Klarity RCAs make noise like a mother at their current gain level. Enough so that my wife notices and she's not a CA buff. I pulled out the HU, swapped the RCAs, and BAM. Noise disappeared. This confirms that the things I observed on my initial inspection were all key contributors: the clean solder points inside the plug, the plastic ring separating the ground sheathing from the wiring, the solid DMM readings...all of these give me the warm fuzzies that I need to have when it comes to my RCAs.

Is it really fair to compare them to Knu's 8-dollar Klaritys? Probably not, but in the Knu vs AT race, it's one match won for AT. Good going, guys. I'm all smiles here ATM.