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Hi_FIdelity
01-19-2013, 08:01 PM
I've been out of car audio for a while (almost 10 years) and I'm looking at getting a propper set up in my car and I am currently stuck on speakers. I've managed to narrow my choices down to two brands. I remember back when Infinity and MB Quart were both good brands and from what I've gathered they still make a solid product. Even if they are owned by Harmon Internation and Maxxsonics respectively. I just want to get an opinion of what the advantages if any they have over each other. Also Price wise they are pretty much identical, give or take a couple bucks here and there.

Infinity
Front: Infinity Reference 5030cs 5-1/4" 2-way components
Rear: Infinity Reference 9633cf 6" x 9" 3-way Triaxial
Sub: Infinity Reference 1260W 12" Single coil 4 ohms

MB Quart
Front: MB Quart ONX213 5-1/4" 90W 2-Way components
Rear: MB Quart ONX 169 6" x 9" ONYX Series 3-way Triaxial
Sub: MB Quart PS1-304 12" 400W Performance Series Single coil 4 Ohm

av83
01-19-2013, 08:06 PM
Neither. Don't focus on matching your gear, either, unless it's an obsession. I would suggest putting the budget for the rears towards the the front components, to get an even better set. And an ssa dcon would kill either of those choices of subs in that price range. What amps do you have to power this gear?

edit: obviously a dcon costs more than those subs, but it's not terribly more...

Hi_FIdelity
01-19-2013, 08:13 PM
I was thinking the Alphasonic PM12005E 75x4 rms and 250x1 rms. I remeber their stuff from 2002-2006 and they definatly had some solid amps. The PM12005E has got some pretty respectable specs and from what I've seen on the build side it's a pretty robust 5 channel. I'm not looking for anything that blows out windows and **** like that. I just want something that can give me clean high's and mids and respecable bass. AI'm kind of an audio nerd when it comes to matching components as much as possilbe so that's a bit of a factor also for the record my budget is around $500-$600.

av83
01-19-2013, 08:17 PM
I was thinking the Alphasonic PM12005E 75x4 rms and 250x1 rms. I remeber their stuff from 2002-2006 and they definatly had some solid amps. The PM12005E has got some pretty respectable specs and from what I've seen on the build side it's a pretty robust 5 channel. I'm not looking for anything that blows out windows and **** like that. I just want something that can give me clean high's and mids and respecable bass.

Their newer gear is a far cry from what they used to be. They're really not on the radar anymore. The amp you mentioned doesn't seem bad though. If it's fused correctly, it makes decent power.

Hi_FIdelity
01-19-2013, 08:24 PM
Yeah they're not made like the old Zed based amps of the 80's and 90's. Though I think there current build quility is about as good as any of the other massproduced "higher end" (read decent) amps out there. I think the main issue is that fact that there parent company (The Anaba Group) owns Audiobahn and a few other lesser brands. As far as fusing goes it's got 2x40amp fuse's which seams to be the norm for any similar decent preforming amp.

So as far as the speakers are concerned you wouldn't recomend either brand for plain SQ listening.

Hi_FIdelity
01-19-2013, 08:24 PM
double post delete please.

neo_styles
01-19-2013, 08:27 PM
Their newer gear is a far cry from what they used to be. They're really not on the radar anymore. The amp you mentioned doesn't seem bad though. If it's fused correctly, it makes decent power.

After reading the blurb in Zed's manuals about how companies fuse their equipment, I don't trust anyone's fusing. It's a close indicator, but I don't think it's concrete proof of an amp's ability. Hell, my Eclipse 5-channel has only 50A of fusing and it beats the tar out of my 120A-fused Rockford P8004.

---------- Post added at 05:27 PM ---------- Previous post was at 05:27 PM ----------

OP, what kind of budget did you have in mind for your SQ setup and do you already have a HU you intend on using?

Hi_FIdelity
01-19-2013, 08:31 PM
OP, what kind of budget did you have in mind for your SQ setup and do you already have a HU you intend on using?

I was thinking about $500-$600, not going to break the bank but not underestimating the cost of quality I think. As far as HU go I've got a line on a Pioneer FH-P800BT (it's got an understated look and it has pre outs for front, rear, and Sub) though I do have a post in the classified section looking for a Pioneer FH-P5000MP (I'd really like a CD/Tape deck).

av83
01-19-2013, 08:33 PM
double post delete please.

I've never heard the Onyx's, but if something is cheap AND sounds good... it catches on fast. Nobody's mentioned them, so I'm inclined to think that you get what you pay for there. The Infinity's I've heard were a bit bright in the upper frequencies. But they were clear. I've had low-end cdt's that sounded good, and my current set(the PHD's in my sig) is outstanding. I have a vid of the latter in the PHD vendor section, playing at full tilt. If you like their sound, you can try out one of there entry level models. Even those are rated for 70 wrms.

av83
01-19-2013, 08:37 PM
After reading the blurb in Zed's manuals about how companies fuse their equipment, I don't trust anyone's fusing. It's a close indicator, but I don't think it's concrete proof of an amp's ability.

Definitely. If anything, an amp form an iffy manufacturer, thats fused for more power than its rated for usually means one of two things(or possibly both). It is over-fused, and/or its extremely inefficient.

mclerico83
01-19-2013, 08:38 PM
I kinda miss my old amp Neo. that eclipse was amazaing

op are you willing to go used if not

Boston Acoustics US (http://www.bostonacoustics.com/US/Product/Pages/ProductDetail.aspx?CatId=OutletStore(BostonAcousti cs_US)&IsOut=1&IsRef=1&Pid=GTA1105(BostonAcoustics))

this is a link to a boston acoustics gta-1105 its the best deal on a 5 channel amp around for 179 shipped :) amazing sound quality

2 find the amp since boston will not let me direct link it is to click on outlet store and then go to page 2 and you will see it. just buy this its an amazing amp

mclerico83
01-19-2013, 08:38 PM
I kinda miss my old amp Neo. that eclipse was amazaing

op are you willing to go used if not

Boston Acoustics US (http://www.bostonacoustics.com/US/Product/Pages/ProductDetail.aspx?CatId=OutletStore(BostonAcousti cs_US)&IsOut=1&IsRef=1&Pid=GTA1105(BostonAcoustics))

this is a link to a boston acoustics gta-1105 its the best deal on a 5 channel amp around for 179 shipped :) amazing sound quality

2 find the amp since boston will not let me direct link it is to click on outlet store and then go to page 2 and you will see it. just buy this its an amazing amp

neo_styles
01-19-2013, 08:39 PM
I was thinking about $500-$600, not going to break the bank but not underestimating the cost of quality I think. As far as HU go I've got a line on a Pioneer FH-P800BT (it's got an understated look and it has pre outs for front, rear, and Sub) though I do have a post in the classified section looking for a Pioneer FH-P5000MP (I'd really like a CD/Tape deck).

As long as you have the HU already knocked out, you're in pretty good shape. Yes, the audio game's not like it used to be any more, but there's still good stuff to be had. Funny thing is, the stuff we really couldn't afford when we were younger is now Old School and sells on the cheap. You can start grabbing up some of that Zed-made goodness on the cheap. For a 600-dollar max, you can do really well here on the classifieds and IIRC mclerico83 ; has a couple projects that might need to be reconed but would stomp just about anything new while keeping you within budget on the sub stage.

As for the comps, I've been EXTREMELY pleased with my JBL MS comps and I know trumpet ; can get his hands on those new with a warranty for a very reasonable price.

That leaves you with just the amp. I'll browse the classifieds and see what I can dig up for you to look at.

mclerico83
01-19-2013, 08:41 PM
I have a rd sonance motor i can ship to SPLaudio ; for him for 40 bucks he could build a 500 rms sub that would go on that boston 5 channel and basically it would stom anything around. tc sounds clone motor it gets low in small ported boxes :)

I also have some sick 5.25 actually sitting around let me take a picture will be right back

neo_styles
01-19-2013, 08:45 PM
I kinda miss my old amp Neo. that eclipse was amazaing

op are you willing to go used if not

Boston Acoustics US (http://www.bostonacoustics.com/US/Product/Pages/ProductDetail.aspx?CatId=OutletStore(BostonAcousti cs_US)&IsOut=1&IsRef=1&Pid=GTA1105(BostonAcoustics))

this is a link to a boston acoustics gta-1105 its the best deal on a 5 channel amp around for 179 shipped :) amazing sound quality

2 find the amp since boston will not let me direct link it is to click on outlet store and then go to page 2 and you will see it. just buy this its an amazing amp

Sorry to keep bringing it up, man. She is definitely treating me well. Looks like you'll have to snatch up an XA 5-channel to make you forget all about it lol.

mclerico83
01-19-2013, 08:56 PM
75 rms componet speakers with swivel tweeters us made from 2003 old stock i have had sitting on the shelf and brand new. I just broke the plastic on one. I have 2 sets installed on my grand prix. these were going to go in another build that never happened. Its a steal that would go great with the boston amp :)

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mclerico83
01-19-2013, 08:56 PM
75 rms componet speakers with swivel tweeters us made from 2003 old stock i have had sitting on the shelf and brand new. I just broke the plastic on one. I have 2 sets installed on my grand prix. these were going to go in another build that never happened. Its a steal that would go great with the boston amp :)

http://i959.photobucket.com/albums/ae80/mclerico83/20130119_204614.jpg
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mclerico83
01-19-2013, 08:57 PM
75 rms componet speakers with swivel tweeters us made from 2003 old stock i have had sitting on the shelf and brand new. I just broke the plastic on one. I have 2 sets installed on my grand prix. these were going to go in another build that never happened. Its a steal that would go great with the boston amp :)

40 shipped

Cadence Acoustics UltraShock Series US-553, 5.25" Two-Way 150 Watt Speaker System (http://www.bestaudiodeals.com/Cadence-UltraShock-US553)

normally 60 plus shipping


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neo_styles
01-19-2013, 08:58 PM
You'll need to up your budget, but this is one BEAUTIFUL amp:

http://www.caraudio.com/forums/amplifier-classifieds/564815-fs-elemental-designs-nine-5-a.html

Otherwise,

http://www.caraudio.com/forums/amplifier-classifieds/565502-old-school-us-acoustics-carver-amps.html
http://www.caraudio.com/forums/amplifier-classifieds/565216-fs-ft-phoenix-gold-xenon-amps.html (200 plus shipping for the pair)
http://www.caraudio.com/forums/amplifier-classifieds/564675-arc-zapco-amps.html

neo_styles
01-19-2013, 08:58 PM
Need to make the most of this double posting whackness...

Basically, OP, if you want to keep it Old School, you can get some AMAZING stuff here on the cheap

Hi_FIdelity
01-19-2013, 09:01 PM
As long as you have the HU already knocked out, you're in pretty good shape. Yes, the audio game's not like it used to be any more, but there's still good stuff to be had. Funny thing is, the stuff we really couldn't afford when we were younger is now Old School and sells on the cheap. You can start grabbing up some of that Zed-made goodness on the cheap.

I know all about the virutes of buying second had gear belive me. I've got a bit of a home audio addiction as well and you can get some real good value by snagging some of the high end gear made in the 70's and 80's. Though on the car audio front the issue that I have is that most componets live a much harder life than there home bound relatives and in the case of second hand it's sold as is.

Honestly with all things considered I'm thinking I'm gonna stik with the Alpha. I remember that even after the Anaba Group bought them out in 2002 they continued to make some **** fine amps and if the 12005E turns out to be more boom than sizzle she'll get returned and I'll take a look at on of her compeditors. Though I do appreciate the input and help.






I've never heard the Onyx's, but if something is cheap AND sounds good... it catches on fast. Nobody's mentioned them, so I'm inclined to think that you get what you pay for there. The Infinity's I've heard were a bit bright in the upper frequencies. But they were clear. I've had low-end cdt's that sounded good, and my current set(the PHD's in my sig) is outstanding. I have a vid of the latter in the PHD vendor section, playing at full tilt. If you like their sound, you can try out one of there entry level models. Even those are rated for 70 wrms.

Ok so the MB are out though the infinity's still intrigue me. I've been accoused of likeing "bright" speakers before so that may be a personal taste. Though I'll also take a look at what CDT has to offer in my proce range. I've heard good things about CDt though it's mainly been about there amplifiers. I appreciate all the feed back I've gotten form you guys in such a short time.

trumpet
01-19-2013, 09:02 PM
I remember back when Infinity and MB Quart were both good brands and from what I've gathered they still make a solid product. Even if they are owned by Harmon Internation...


What do you mean by that? :wow: Harman International has been around for over 60 years, with some of the smartest minds in acoustics at their employ. Just one example is Dr. Floyd Toole. Sound Reproduction: The Acoustics and Psychoacoustics of Loudspeakers and Rooms: Floyd Toole: 9780240520094: Amazon.com: Books (http://www.amazon.com/Sound-Reproduction-Acoustics-Psychoacoustics-Loudspeakers/dp/0240520092)

mclerico83
01-19-2013, 09:03 PM
im telling you that alphasonik is no where near as nice as the boston acoustic but hey you may still be happy

boston puts out 75rms x4 and 500rms at 2 ohm mono :)

Hi_FIdelity
01-19-2013, 09:06 PM
**** double posting.

for those that didn't want to read hear is the TL;DR version.

Buying Alpha, maybe inifinity's or CDT.

Hi_FIdelity
01-19-2013, 09:08 PM
I'm well aware of there reputation. Though there are of expertice was home audio back in the 60's, 70's, and 80's. There current products are pretty good but they aren't the cutting edge in audio either. Thats what I was getting at.

mclerico83
01-19-2013, 09:12 PM
I'm well aware of there reputation. Though there are of expertice was home audio back in the 60's, 70's, and 80's. There current products are pretty good but they aren't the cutting edge in audio either. Thats what I was getting at.

compared to that alphasonik which is a cookie cutter Chinese amp these day :(

mclerico83
01-19-2013, 09:13 PM
I'm well aware of there reputation. Though there are of expertice was home audio back in the 60's, 70's, and 80's. There current products are pretty good but they aren't the cutting edge in audio either. Thats what I was getting at.

compared to that alphasonik which is a cookie cutter Chinese amp these day :(

Hi_FIdelity
01-19-2013, 09:20 PM
compared to that alphasonik which is a cookie cutter Chinese amp these day :(


Lets not start throwing stones here, I didn't insult you or your speakers or the amp you sujested. Do you have any direct experiance with their current products or are you basing that statment off what a few people have to say. Cause from what I've seen it's anything but a "cookie cutter chinese amp".

neo_styles
01-19-2013, 09:22 PM
Lets not start throwing stones here, I didn't insult you or you speakers or the amp you sujested. Do you have any direct experiance with their current products or are you basing that statment off what a few people have to say. Cause from what I've seen it's anything but a "cookie cutter chinese amp".

Not their amps, but the JBL MS comps that I picked up were built under Harmon's rule and Andy Weyermeyer (or something like that) has done wonders for the brand and company for quite some time now. Just because Harmon pays the bills doesn't mean everything they make now is inferior

neo_styles
01-19-2013, 09:22 PM
dbl

mclerico83
01-19-2013, 09:24 PM
Lets not start throwing stones here, I didn't insult you or you speakers or the amp you sujested. Do you have any direct experiance with their current products or are you basing that statment off what a few people have to say. Cause from what I've seen it's anything but a "cookie cutter chinese amp".

amp i suggested is built in malaysia i know its outsourced. their higher level gt series which they have one for sale for 275 is built in italy. I wasn't throwing stones at all. I ordered a alphasonik mono a few years ago and was terribly disappointed and the stupid company wouldn't return them lol and i curs them ever since. I currently use a gt series gt-42 in my car designed and built in italy. amazing sound, but not cheap. I use a gta-800m boston in my gf's car which she loves.

mclerico83
01-19-2013, 09:25 PM
Lets not start throwing stones here, I didn't insult you or you speakers or the amp you sujested. Do you have any direct experiance with their current products or are you basing that statment off what a few people have to say. Cause from what I've seen it's anything but a "cookie cutter chinese amp".

amp i suggested is built in malaysia i know its outsourced. their higher level gt series which they have one for sale for 275 is built in italy. I wasn't throwing stones at all. I ordered a alphasonik mono a few years ago and was terribly disappointed and the stupid company wouldn't return them lol and i curs them ever since. I currently use a gt series gt-42 in my car designed and built in italy. amazing sound, but not cheap. I use a gta-800m boston in my gf's car which she loves.

mclerico83
01-19-2013, 09:28 PM
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i have some old school 2 channel amps crossfire engineered here and built in korea
and zed audio us acoustics :) us made

neo_styles
01-19-2013, 09:30 PM
What is up with the system today and all its double posting? I swear...

Hi_FIdelity
01-19-2013, 09:31 PM
I agree that's not what I was getting at with that statment, I'm sorry if it came out that way. I'm also well aware that the brands that harmond owns still make a quality product. I'm helping a friend install an all JBL system in his car next summer, their components all seem quite respectable. Hell the Ininfity kappa 5 was one of the amps I was originaly looking. The only reason it lost out was that the Alpha matched and in somecases bested it's specs and was about the same price give or take $10-$20 bucks.

neo_styles
01-19-2013, 09:31 PM
ignore

mclerico83
01-19-2013, 09:34 PM
@neo_styles
I still love to look at old pictures of my old beauty lol
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and op im a zed hoar so i loved the old alphasonik lol
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ZED Audio Usacoustics Amp | eBay (http://www.ebay.com/itm/Zed-Audio-Usacoustics-Amp-/170975954078?pt=Car_Amplifiers&hash=item27cef6049e)
eyeing this and drooling over this

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:yumyum:

av83
01-19-2013, 09:35 PM
those cadence components look freaking amazing for the price he offered.

mclerico83
01-19-2013, 09:37 PM
those cadence components look freaking amazing for the price he offered.

thx man lol im really buzzed so if im scattard brained and acting retarded im sorry in andvance lol

mclerico83
01-19-2013, 09:38 PM
those cadence components look freaking amazing for the price he offered.

thx man lol im really buzzed so if im scattard brained and acting retarded im sorry in andvance lol

neo_styles
01-19-2013, 09:39 PM
@neo_styles
I still love to look at old pictures of my old beauty lol
http://i959.photobucket.com/albums/ae80/mclerico83/20121209_134249.jpg
http://i959.photobucket.com/albums/ae80/mclerico83/20121209_134119.jpg

and op im a zed hoar so i loved the old alphasonik lol
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ZED Audio Usacoustics Amp | eBay (http://www.ebay.com/itm/Zed-Audio-Usacoustics-Amp-/170975954078?pt=Car_Amplifiers&hash=item27cef6049e)
eyeing this and drooling over this

Cadence OS A7000 HC Sweet Poison 900WRMS 2CH Amp ZED Audio Made RARE VGC | eBay (http://www.ebay.com/itm/CADENCE-OS-A7000-HC-SWEET-POISON-900WRMS-2CH-AMP-ZED-AUDIO-MADE-RARE-VGC-/321055011741?pt=Car_Amplifiers&hash=item4ac05eb39d)
:yumyum:

Lol we might have to work something out where you get her back after I upgrade...

mclerico83
01-19-2013, 09:45 PM
I agree that's not what I was getting at with that statment, I'm sorry if it came out that way. I'm also well aware that the brands that harmond owns still make a quality product. I'm helping a friend install an all JBL system in his car next summer, their components all seem quite respectable. Hell the Ininfity kappa 5 was one of the amps I was originaly looking. The only reason it lost out was that the Alpha matched and in somecases bested it's specs and was about the same price give or take $10-$20 bucks.

i love jbl putt ing a jbl 24001 on my spg-555's tomorrow replacing my 2 boston gt-28's i sold more effecient i loved my old jbl 1500 so much

http://i959.photobucket.com/albums/ae80/mclerico83/20130119_214035.jpg
going in on these
http://i959.photobucket.com/albums/ae80/mclerico83/20121013_232130.jpg
there is 2 passive radiators pointed through the rear deck

oh yea my home system from speakers are jbl lol
http://i959.photobucket.com/albums/ae80/mclerico83/20130119_214121.jpg

mclerico83
01-19-2013, 09:46 PM
I agree that's not what I was getting at with that statment, I'm sorry if it came out that way. I'm also well aware that the brands that harmond owns still make a quality product. I'm helping a friend install an all JBL system in his car next summer, their components all seem quite respectable. Hell the Ininfity kappa 5 was one of the amps I was originaly looking. The only reason it lost out was that the Alpha matched and in somecases bested it's specs and was about the same price give or take $10-$20 bucks.

i love jbl putt ing a jbl 24001 on my spg-555's tomorrow replacing my 2 boston gt-28's i sold more effecient i loved my old jbl 1500 so much

http://i959.photobucket.com/albums/ae80/mclerico83/20130119_214035.jpg
going in on these
http://i959.photobucket.com/albums/ae80/mclerico83/20121013_232130.jpg
there is 2 passive radiators pointed through the rear deck

oh yea my home system from speakers are jbl lol
http://i959.photobucket.com/albums/ae80/mclerico83/20130119_214121.jpg

av83
01-19-2013, 09:48 PM
thx man lol im really buzzed so if im scattard brained and acting retarded im sorry in andvance lol

lmao, you're good. And, op, this is a totally solid dude to do business with.

mclerico83
01-19-2013, 09:48 PM
Lol we might have to work something out where you get her back after I upgrade...

lol we might i have a old hyundai accent i drive to work every day because i work 50 miles and my grand prix gets 12 miles to the gallon lol and the lady has the highlander. so i may do a really nice sq build in that car if i ever can get my eclipse back lol

av83
01-19-2013, 09:51 PM
omg mcclerico... those spg's make me hard. I'm trying to see how far down sonic will go on their eBay price for those, too, lol.

neo_styles
01-19-2013, 09:51 PM
lol we might i have a old hyundai accent i drive to work every day because i work 50 miles and my grand prix gets 12 miles to the gallon lol and the lady has the highlander. so i may do a really nice sq build in that car if i ever can get my eclipse back lol

Depends on finances this year, but it could happen. Want to step up to a Zuki Eleets Hybrid 5-channel if at all possible, but that wouldn't be until October unless I won the lotto :(

mclerico83
01-19-2013, 09:57 PM
Depends on finances this year, but it could happen. Want to step up to a Zuki Eleets Hybrid 5-channel if at all possible, but that wouldn't be until October unless I won the lotto :(

would love to run zuki also :) lol

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i love how they put 5x 5 watts lol classic

US Amps Axtu 600C Vaccum Tube Car Amplifier Stereo 300x2 at 2 Ohms Amp AXTU600C | eBay (http://www.ebay.com/itm/US-Amps-AXTU-600C-Vaccum-Tube-Car-Amplifier-Stereo-300x2-2-Ohms-Amp-AXTU600C-/350586263436#vi-content)

i want this tube amp to test also :)

or

"Credence Speakers Manufacturer of the finest loudspeaker drivers" (http://www.credencespeakers.com/)
test some credence speakers

mclerico83
01-19-2013, 09:57 PM
Depends on finances this year, but it could happen. Want to step up to a Zuki Eleets Hybrid 5-channel if at all possible, but that wouldn't be until October unless I won the lotto :(

would love to run zuki also :) lol

Multi-Channel Amplifiers (http://www.zukiaudio.net/)
i love how they put 5x 5 watts lol classic

US Amps Axtu 600C Vaccum Tube Car Amplifier Stereo 300x2 at 2 Ohms Amp AXTU600C | eBay (http://www.ebay.com/itm/US-Amps-AXTU-600C-Vaccum-Tube-Car-Amplifier-Stereo-300x2-2-Ohms-Amp-AXTU600C-/350586263436#vi-content)

i want this tube amp to test also :)

or

"Credence Speakers Manufacturer of the finest loudspeaker drivers" (http://www.credencespeakers.com/)
test some credence speakers

neo_styles
01-19-2013, 10:00 PM
That US Amps is sick. Power ratings are nuts and I'm sure it'll do rated or more.

The Credence look odd...I don't know how to classify them. They could be solid performers, though.

mclerico83
01-19-2013, 10:03 PM
omg mcclerico... those spg's make me hard. I'm trying to see how far down sonic will go on their eBay price for those, too, lol.

yea ***** i bought them right before boston went to clearance all there **** and it was still hard to find those spg-tr's. with 500 plus horse at the wheels i needed a light box and light speakers but big soud. went with the 2 cube box and the 2 pr's at 30hz and 2 spg's

crazy i went to this from this

http://i959.photobucket.com/albums/ae80/mclerico83/2011-02-07163134.jpg
http://i959.photobucket.com/albums/ae80/mclerico83/2011-02-07162940.jpg

mclerico83
01-19-2013, 10:03 PM
omg mcclerico... those spg's make me hard. I'm trying to see how far down sonic will go on their eBay price for those, too, lol.

yea ***** i bought them right before boston went to clearance all there **** and it was still hard to find those spg-tr's. with 500 plus horse at the wheels i needed a light box and light speakers but big soud. went with the 2 cube box and the 2 pr's at 30hz and 2 spg's

crazy i went to this from this

http://i959.photobucket.com/albums/ae80/mclerico83/2011-02-07163134.jpg
http://i959.photobucket.com/albums/ae80/mclerico83/2011-02-07162940.jpg

mclerico83
01-19-2013, 10:05 PM
That US Amps is sick. Power ratings are nuts and I'm sure it'll do rated or more.

The Credence look odd...I don't know how to classify them. They could be solid performers, though.

they actually are the company that made the old jl subs and kicker subs like the solo classic when kicker and jl where made in the usa

Hi_FIdelity
01-19-2013, 10:08 PM
That US Amps is sick. Power ratings are nuts and I'm sure it'll do rated or more.

The Credence look odd...I don't know how to classify them. They could be solid performers, though.

The only issue I can see is with the tube final stage as far as relaiblility goes. There are quite a few things that tubes do not like such as vibration, being power on and then off in a rather short duration of time (they like to be on for hours), and extreme temp changes. It would be exposed to all of this in the car. I would be interested to see how they got around this. Though despite the questionable relability. I'm sure that amp has to sound wonderful, it would be a pleasure to listen to some Dave Brubeck or Miles Davis on that thing. Also that price ain't to bad either for what it is.

mclerico83
01-19-2013, 10:14 PM
The only issue I can see is with the tube final stage as far as relaiblility goes. There are quite a few things that tubes do not like such as vibration, being power on and then off in a rather short duration of time (they like to be on for hours), and extreme temp changes. It would be exposed to all of this in the car. I would be interested to see how they got around this. Though despite the questionable relability. I'm sure that amp has to sound wonderful, it would be a pleasure to listen to some Dave Brubeck or Miles Davis on that thing. Also that price ain't to bad either for what it is.

these are the reasons why i want one. i want to get a pair of phd's mf's 3 ways

av83
01-19-2013, 10:18 PM
yea ***** i bought them right before boston went to clearance all there **** and it was still hard to find those spg-tr's. with 500 plus horse at the wheels i needed a light box and light speakers but big soud. went with the 2 cube box and the 2 pr's at 30hz and 2 spg's

crazy i went to this from this

http://i959.photobucket.com/albums/ae80/mclerico83/2011-02-07163134.jpg
http://i959.photobucket.com/albums/ae80/mclerico83/2011-02-07162940.jpg

how's it sound with aeros in the rear deck? it looks secksy as hell.

mclerico83
01-19-2013, 10:21 PM
how's it sound with aeros in the rear deck? it looks secksy as hell.

wa sloud as **** but after i put 5k of engine work turbo lol alum heads etc the weight had to go. had to put spring spacers higher springs etc for the box 4 zrs's (basically ab xfl's), and the 2 ia9's(audioque 2200ds) and 2 100 pound batteries in the wheel well lol. I tore it out and put the spg's in lol gase mileage went from 10mpg to 12 mpg lol

neo_styles
01-19-2013, 10:23 PM
Tubes in car amps have been done a few times before this particular model. Don't remember what the winning formula was, but IIRC the tubes play VERY little a part in the whole workings of the amp. It was more of a gimmick than anything. Now REAL tube amps, especially the ones that used Japanese/Russian tubes, were everything you're mentioning and more.

TBH, I think the way car amplification is going these days with the lines blurring more and more between A/B and D in terms of SQ, I think there's going to be even more extremely interesting offerings from the industry. We just need to convince the major manufacturers from making a mockery of what we do. The future is NOT amps that receive a BTAudio signal. They should have taken that tech and made it so you could adjust all the amp's settings via BT instead and they would have literally flown out the door.

av83
01-19-2013, 10:30 PM
Tubes in car amps have been done a few times before this particular model. Don't remember what the winning formula was, but IIRC the tubes play VERY little a part in the whole workings of the amp. It was more of a gimmick than anything. Now REAL tube amps, especially the ones that used Japanese/Russian tubes, were everything you're mentioning and more.

TBH, I think the way car amplification is going these days with the lines blurring more and more between A/B and D in terms of SQ, I think there's going to be even more extremely interesting offerings from the industry. We just need to convince the major manufacturers from making a mockery of what we do. The future is NOT amps that receive a BTAudio signal. They should have taken that tech and made it so you could adjust all the amp's settings via BT instead and they would have literally flown out the door.

the amp powering my comps is an absolutely tiny class d. but it sounds just as good as any class ab I've heard. better than a few, actually. and it is making a legit 120x4 in a case the size of my hand lol.

mclerico83
01-19-2013, 10:31 PM
x2 i think companies should move to not the amp itself but how the amp receives a signal etc. I know a buddy of mine made an optical sender to remove interference from the run of rca's. i would love a way to digitally control my amp from the front seat also

neo_styles
01-19-2013, 10:33 PM
the amp powering my comps is an absolutely tiny class d. but it sounds just as good as any class ab I've heard. better than a few, actually. and it is making a legit 120x4 in a case the size of my hand lol.

The 4S has the active crossovers and TA, right? Or was that the 4R. Either way, that's exactly what I'm referring to. The PPI P900.4 is another prime example. So is the Massive NX4. Good news for my trunk space, that's for sure.

neo_styles
01-19-2013, 10:34 PM
dbl

mclerico83
01-19-2013, 10:34 PM
the amp powering my comps is an absolutely tiny class d. but it sounds just as good as any class ab I've heard. better than a few, actually. and it is making a legit 120x4 in a case the size of my hand lol.

MMats SQ6150M 6 x 150 at 4 Ohm Audiophile 6 Channel Full Range Digital Marine Amplifier Made in the USA (http://infiniteelectronix.com/mmatssq6150m6x150at4ohmaudiophile6channelmarineamp lifiermadeintheusa.aspx)

please win the lotto so i can try this class d 6 channel lol

neo_styles
01-19-2013, 10:36 PM
MMats SQ6150M 6 x 150 at 4 Ohm Audiophile 6 Channel Full Range Digital Marine Amplifier Made in the USA (http://infiniteelectronix.com/mmatssq6150m6x150at4ohmaudiophile6channelmarineamp lifiermadeintheusa.aspx)

please win the lotto so i can try this class d 6 channel lol

Sad thing is if I wasn't in so much debt, that would be a tax return purchase.
















Nah, for that price, the Zuki Hybrid 10-channel :yumyum::yumyum:

neo_styles
01-19-2013, 10:36 PM
dbl

Hi_FIdelity
01-19-2013, 10:38 PM
Tubes in car amps have been done a few times before this particular model. Don't remember what the winning formula was, but IIRC the tubes play VERY little a part in the whole workings of the amp. It was more of a gimmick than anything. Now REAL tube amps, especially the ones that used Japanese/Russian tubes, were everything you're mentioning and more.

Yeah I know the tubes involved here are more or less a buffer that are inline either before or after amplification to add some of that sweet warm and fuzzy tube sound. An actual full tube amp would be kinda neet to see though I don't know if you could really make a high powered on efficient enough for use in a car. Still even with a final tube buffer it has to sound pretty nice.



TBH, I think the way car amplification is going these days with the lines blurring more and more between A/B and D in terms of SQ, I think there's going to be even more extremely interesting offerings from the industry. We just need to convince the major manufacturers from making a mockery of what we do. The future is NOT amps that receive a BTAudio signal. They should have taken that tech and made it so you could adjust all the amp's settings via BT instead and they would have literally flown out the door.

True it wasn't that long ago that you saw some of the major players doing neat and "out there" things with there products. I remember when coaxial and optiacal were going to replace the ubiquitus unbalanced RCA jacks on out amps and head units and while there are still quite few products that use them most HU and amps still have regualar RCA. Though one of the neat things that has come up is the appearance of Hi-level inputs on amps for easier OEM intigration, it's not an ideal option but it's something that I remember thinking about back when I was a very young install tech at Pacific Sound. Your BT idea is a very interesting one. It would make calibrating your amp far easier and in most cases would let you adjust it on the fly in conjunction with you're HU EQ or in place of.

Though on a more serious note I kinda see it as the car audio scene as a whole going down a similar route that high end home audio has. It's leaving the spotlight mainstream and becoming more of an enthusiast thing, what with the average car's OEM system being good enough at this point for the average joe. That being said it's not dieing just transitioning we're still going to see neat and revolutionary things being developed in the industry but it's probably going to come from the indipendants that sprout up here and there as apposed to the established players.

neo_styles
01-19-2013, 10:43 PM
Yeah I know the tubes involved here are more or less a buffer that are inline either before or after amplification to add some of that sweet warm and fuzzy tube sound. An actual full tube amp would be kinda neet to see though I don't know if you could really make a high powered on efficient enough for use in a car. Still even with a final tube buffer it has to sound pretty nice.




True it wasn't that long ago that you saw some of the major players doing neat and "out there" things with there products. I remember when coaxial and optiacal were going to replace the ubiquitus unbalanced RCA jacks on out amps and head units and while there are still quite few products that use them most HU and amps still have regualar RCA. Though one of the neat things that has come up is the appearance of Hi-level inputs on amps for easier OEM intigration, it's not an ideal option but it's something that I remember thinking about back when I was a very young install tech at Pacific Sound. Your BT idea is a very interesting one. It would make calibrating your amp far easier and in most cases would let you adjust it on the fly in conjunction with you're HU EQ or in place of.

Though on a more serious note I kinda see it as the car audio scene as a whole going down a similar route that high end home audio has. It's leaving the spotlight mainstream and becoming more of an enthusiast thing, what with the average car's OEM system being good enough at this point for the average joe. That being said it's not dieing just transitioning we're still going to see neat and revolutionary things being developed in the industry but it's probably going to come from the indipendants that sprout up here and there as apposed to the established players.

Exactly where I was getting at. I swapped out a Pioneer AVH-P8400BH yesterday for an Eclipse CD7200mkii. Interface on the Eclipse is god-awful, but the sound quality? Superb. People want their features and their ease of access. My friend literally asked me yesterday why I went from a double-din to a single and, for the first time in my life, I couldn't translate enough to explain it properly to him. I'll be the first to admit the touchscreen interface on the Pio was such a blessing while driving, but it's been fun playing around with TA and an EQ that isn't just an 8-band graphic.

av83
01-19-2013, 10:44 PM
The 4S has the active crossovers and TA, right? Or was that the 4R. Either way, that's exactly what I'm referring to. The PPI P900.4 is another prime example. So is the Massive NX4. Good news for my trunk space, that's for sure.

it's active. I was unaware that there was one with ta, but my x994 has it anyways.

neo_styles
01-19-2013, 10:45 PM
it's active. I was unaware that there was one with ta, but my x994 has it anyways.

WoofersEtc.com - KAC-X4R - Kenwood Excelon 4 Ch 600 Watt Amplifier (http://www.woofersetc.com/p-6719-kac-x4r-kenwood-excelon-4-ch-600-watt-amplifier.aspx)

neo_styles
01-19-2013, 10:45 PM
I was tossing around the idea of using that KAC, but ended up going used to save funds

av83
01-19-2013, 10:47 PM
MMats SQ6150M 6 x 150 at 4 Ohm Audiophile 6 Channel Full Range Digital Marine Amplifier Made in the USA (http://infiniteelectronix.com/mmatssq6150m6x150at4ohmaudiophile6channelmarineamp lifiermadeintheusa.aspx)

please win the lotto so i can try this class d 6 channel lol

Lol, if I win, it's yours. If you win, I just want a dc alt.

av83
01-19-2013, 10:47 PM
double

neo_styles
01-19-2013, 10:48 PM
Lol, if I win, it's yours. If you win, I just want a dc alt.

If you win, I want a Morel Ultimo 12 and the Scanspeak Deluxe set from Madisound

neo_styles
01-19-2013, 10:49 PM
dbl

Hi_FIdelity
01-19-2013, 10:50 PM
I'll come out and say it I can't stand touch sreen head units and saddly at this point that is what most of the double din's are all about. Personally I find them to look a bit out of place in most older cars. When pioneer was still making the FH-P800BT and 8000BT there was an attractive no touch alternative but it's replacement the FH-X700BT is the exact opposite. Luckily there is the second hand market so i can get a tasteful HU. Though speaking of a plethora of physical tone controls you ever see Nakamichi's mobile pre amp lines. Thoughs babies had adjusts out the wazoo and a price tag to match.

mclerico83
01-19-2013, 10:56 PM
Lol, if I win, it's yours. If you win, I just want a dc alt.

thats a deal

neo_styles
01-19-2013, 10:57 PM
I'll come out and say it I can't stand touch sreen head units and saddly at this point that is what most of the double din's are all about. Personally I find them to look a bit out of place in most older cars. When pioneer was still making the FH-P800BT and 8000BT there was an attractive no touch alternative but it's replacement the FH-X700BT is the exact opposite. Luckily there is the second hand market so i can get a tasteful HU. Though speaking of a plethora of physical tone controls you ever see Nakamichi's mobile pre amp lines. Thoughs babies had adjusts out the wazoo and a price tag to match.

TBH, the 8400 was really my way of convincing the wife to let me start the upgrade in this car. I hadn't had a system since '07 when I let go of my 04 Ion Redline. In there, I had an Eclipse CD5000, Rainbow SLC comps in the front, Rainbow SLC coax in the rear, JL 300/4, JL 500/1, and a 12W3v2 in a JL-spec'd box. Didin't know what I had back then, though. Anyway, I knew I had to find something that was easy enough for her to use or she never would have green-lit it. I've talked to her recently mentioning swapping the HU after learning more about TA and active and she looked at me like I escaped from the looney bin. So, long story short, I have the CD7200mkii on loan for a few months; once I get some additional equipment, I'm either going to bridge my front stage to give the mids more power or go full active. It just comes down to what I want to spend more time putting back in order when she has to go back to plain ole passive.

mclerico83
01-19-2013, 10:57 PM
Lol, if I win, it's yours. If you win, I just want a dc alt.

thats a deal

neo_styles
01-19-2013, 10:57 PM
dbl

av83
01-19-2013, 11:00 PM
lmao! alternating double posts? WTF?

neo_styles
01-19-2013, 11:04 PM
Site is jacked today :fyi:

av83
01-19-2013, 11:36 PM
Site is jacked today :fyi:

this is the worst I've seen it lol. just awful.

zako
01-22-2013, 12:00 AM
Considering the reviews of JBL MS series speakers, and that their prices have fallen below $200, this is what I'd get. As for subwoofers, Infinity subs are not bad. REF series are ok value if you need a subwoofer that costs less than $100. I'd recommend though to buy Kappa 120.9w as these are step above References and they sound very good. MB Quart is no longer the brand it used to be 10 years ago. I haven't heard much good about recent MB Quart speakers. Once I heard rumor that the best MB Quart engineers quit for "German Maestro" after MB Quart became maxxsonics.