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av83
01-13-2013, 11:42 AM
PHD Audiophile Sound Systems FB 6.1 KIT PRO

I recently found myself in need of mid-range 6.5's after foolishly setting the HPF too low for my CDT COM-6 mids. They were paired with CDT TW-25 tweeters. This was my first and, previously, only components(I have heard, but not owned, many sets, though). I bought them used, and they performed admirably considering the amount of power I had them running on. In fact, I was so impressed by those entry level CDT's that I was dead set on obtaining a more capable set of mids from them. However, after being introduced to the set I'm reviewing, I ultimately decided to try them.

Originally, I was only purchasing the mids. My CDT TW-25 tweets were fine, and I run my components active. However, a shipping error occurred that was greatly to my favor and I ended up with the whole kit. PHD FB 1.1 tweeters and a two way crossover were included in the box. And speaking of the box.... it really doesn't matter, but the box for these things is gorgeous, lol. It's high-gloss black, with a large silver embossed PHD logo and little round red, white and green symbols resembling Italian flags that say "Made In Italy", under them. As for the shipping error, I contacted my PHD dealer to notify them of the mistake. I was kindly told not to worry about it, to put the tweeters to good use, and to enjoy the drivers.

Now, for what's inside. The first thing I picked up was the original object of my desire. The mids FB 6.1 PRO M/B, are fairly heavy despite the utilization of their patented HIGH TIGHT™ basket material. The HIGH TIGHT™ basket is injection molded using a blend of polycarbonate, fiberglass, and other materials. It has eight aerodynamic ribs, and is designed to eliminate resonances that can tinge frequencies in cast or stamped baskets made of metal. Although it's light, it is quite rigid. I was unable to flex a rib, or the mounting ring, when attempted. The cone is layered fiberglass, and the surround is natural rubber. It's not a stretch to describe the motor as "beefy", for a mid. Its a single ferrite slug sandwiched by a cast aluminum bottom plate and a machined aluminum top plate. According to the spec sheet, the voice coil is 32mm's, and an aluminum former joins it to the cone. A copper shorting ring is employed to reduce distortion. They are rated at 150wrms/300max.

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The tweeter is a 1" silk dome. It has a 1" copper voice coil, aluminum former, and a neodymium motor. They are roughly the same weight as my TW-25, but the dome seems a bit wider. They are rated at 15wrms/150max.

The mids are installed with a layer of of old-style Audiotechnix 60mil covering the sheetmetal under the plastic door panel, and a decent sized square directly behind the mid itself. There is a double layer of closed cell rubber foam tape bridging the gap in between the mounting ring of the mid and the plastic door panel. I was fully intent to further deaden the door cavities with bagged r-30 fiberglass mat. But after opening my doors up, and rolling the window down, I discovered that there is no possible way to fit it in there.

The tweeters come in ABS plastic pods, and would appear to be a great fit if left fully assembled and placed on the A-pillar. I decided to keep them on the sails, though, so the full pods were not used. I simply placed the front half of the pods, minus the rear, directly over the stock tweeter location. They are still well in front of me, and would be even farther away from the mids (that are at the very bottom of my doors) if I placed the tweets on the pillar.

http://img145.imageshack.us/img145/1960/imag01361.jpg

All four drivers have their own run of 16 gauge wire leading to a Kenwood Excelon XR-4S. It's set using an DD-1, and is rated at 120x4 wrms. I run active using a combination of the deck and my amp. The amp is set using a CC-1 to cross the tweeters HPF at 3.55 Khz @ -12dB/octave, and the same frequency is used for the mids LPF. The HPF for the mids is currently set at the HU, an Excelon x-994, at 80hz @ -24dB/octave. I will lower it to 60hz, possibly 50, after a 20 hour break-in period. EQ is flat at the moment. No sub has been added to the sound yet, but I'll do so today.

The results.

When I first placed the mids in the doors, before connecting the tweets and putting the door panels back on, I played some Yelowolf. Strange choice, I know, but I wanted to see something... The motors are not pole vented from the rear and I was wondering if they would cool well. I played it for about 10 minutes at roughly 3/4 volume and then placed my hand in front of the speakers cotton dust cover. It was venting warmed air onto my hand just as i had hoped. They seem to cool themselves very well in this manner. I pushed it a bit louder after a little while, and felt the area of the cone next to the dust cover and it was just barely warm. Not even broken in yet, and the excursion was enough to keep them cool under a fair amount of power, playing music that certainly tests their limits.

Then I assembled the doors and was able to hear them with seals.... and hol-eee crap they are loud. I mean silly loud. As in my side rear-views are vibrating beyond use. There is visible flex in my outer door-skin(Now I really wish I could have installed the fiberglass bags). Whats remarkable is I then popped in a Sum 41's album, Screaming Bloody Murder and witnessed how much range and detail they had, right off the bat. The cd is filled with piano, various electric guitars on multiple settings, acoustic guitars, strings(synthesized and not) and a wide range of drum frequencies that were all very well reproduced. I was expecting to be disappointed by the mid/upper range after being wowed with such powerful bass/lower mid-bass, but that was certainly not the case. I also played bit of classical music, and was excited to hear horns(I play the trumpet and French horn) sound remarkably realistic.

Of course, I didn't just install the mids, although I could rave about them for even longer, lol... There are the tweeters. I came very close to not even installing them simply because the TW-25's were epoxied to my sails, and they seemed to work well. They've been very good to me. However, I said that I'd put the whole set to good use. I was worried that it wouldn't be worth the trouble, but my worries were put to rest immediately. They are more crisp and detailed than the TW's, and have that "twinkle" that I couldn't seem to get reproduced all that well before. They also take the power very well. The last tweets got a bit warm after 15 minutes of loud rock music. Thirty minutes of wailing guitars later on the new ones, and they are still cool to the touch. Zero signs of power handling issues, and they have volume that matches the mids. They are a tiny bit bright, though. I had to turn the upper band up a little bit on the EQ with the TW's to get what comes from these on a flat setting.

The set isn't perfect though, as nothing is. However, the issues I've discovered thus far are minor. Soldering the wire to the terminals was a total p.i.t.a., and I highly recommend using female speaker terminal connectors rather than direct soldering. The label on the back of the mid-range's motor seems a bit cheap, and will probably peel off after the elements have its way with it. Also the tweeter pods, imho, should be made of a material other than ABS plastic. This is a fairly expensive set(for my cheap butt anyways, lol) and I would like to see them sitting in something a bit more durable, and classy. However, all that said, the sonic satisfaction I am receiving from this set far, far outweighs any of these minor issues. They sound superb.

More pics will be added soon, as well.

I purchased this set from ge_off_me ;. It has thoroughly impressed me, and I have been VERY satisfied with his customer service. He's a class act, and I highly recommend that anyone who's looking for a killer comp set to hit him up.

West
01-13-2013, 11:46 AM
Good stuff I am getting a set of PHD's from ge_off as well. Glad to read that they impress you.
Can you give me an overall rating xx/10
:)

neo_styles
01-13-2013, 11:49 AM
Great review, man! I'm sure Geoff's going to come on and sing his own praises as I'm sure they're well-deserved. Sure you didn't just order the whole set for him anway, Geoff?

av83
01-13-2013, 11:52 AM
Good stuff I am getting a set of PHD's from ge_off as well. Glad to read that they impress you.
Can you give me an overall rating xx/10
:)

They sound like a solid 9.5+/10. I don't have any complaints whatsoever, but I'm also still getting to know them.

av83
01-13-2013, 11:54 AM
Great review, man! I'm sure Geoff's going to come on and sing his own praises as I'm sure they're well-deserved. Sure you didn't just order the whole set for him anway, Geoff?

Thanks! :emb: And, I don't think he did. He was going through anther dealer because he didn't have this set in stock yet, but couldn't figure out why the dealer charged him so much until I got it, lol. But he's a man of his word and gave me the price I was quoted, which was for two midranges.

neo_styles
01-13-2013, 11:56 AM
DIYMA Car Audio Forum - View Single Post - SQ Demonstration CD's (Torrent files) (http://www.diymobileaudio.com/forum/1615886-post7.html)

Put this on your ipod or thumb drive...it'll let you test some full excursion elements of both the mid and tweet. Makes me smile every time I put it on...

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Thanks! :emb: And, I don't think he did. He was going through anther dealer because he didn't have this set in stock yet, but couldn't figure out why the dealer charged him so much until I got it, lol. But he's a man of his word and gave me the price I was quoted, which was for two midranges.

That's good business

West
01-13-2013, 11:57 AM
They sound like a solid 9.5+/10. I don't have any complaints whatsoever, but I'm also still getting to know them.

Fantastic!

av83
01-13-2013, 11:57 AM
DIYMA Car Audio Forum - View Single Post - SQ Demonstration CD's (Torrent files) (http://www.diymobileaudio.com/forum/1615886-post7.html)

Put this on your ipod or thumb drive...it'll let you test some full excursion elements of both the mid and tweet. Makes me smile every time I put it on...

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That's good business

I'll be sure to do that! Thank you! And yes, he is quite a decent person to work with.

Bettr n' Revrse
01-13-2013, 02:55 PM
I'll be sure to do that! Thank you! And yes, he is quite a decent person to work with.

Glad you are happy man... Me and Geoff will be getting the shipping down a little better in the next couple months but with there only being a couple of dealers so far things are still a little bumpy... I am placing an order soon which will include some of the coaxial models as well as components and subs... The limited tweeter mounting options was brought up and will be worked on along with some updates to some of the lines, retooling the amps, adding some home audio lines, and updating the site to list all of the items not on there yet such as the Studio models, neo models, and coaxials

av83
01-13-2013, 03:02 PM
Glad you are happy man... Me and Geoff will be getting the shipping down a little better in the next couple months but with there only being a couple of dealers so far things are still a little bumpy... I am placing an order soon which will include some of the coaxial models as well as components and subs... The limited tweeter mounting options was brought up and will be worked on along with some updates to some of the lines, retooling the amps, adding some home audio lines, and updating the site to list all of the items not on there yet such as the Studio models, neo models, and coaxials

That's good to hear. I didn't bother posting the .it website, since it appears as if it's not up to date. Plus, there are few details.

Bettr n' Revrse
01-13-2013, 03:05 PM
That's good to hear. I didn't bother posting the .it website, since it appears as if it's not up to date. Plus, there are few details.

It gives people the general idea of the lines but ya you are correct it isn't quote up to date... They will be working on that when they get everything updated so they don't have to just redo it again...

PHD - USA
01-14-2013, 07:12 PM
Ohai what a nice review! I'm glad it will not be deleted. ;)

rebelfromva
01-14-2013, 07:15 PM
Ohai what a nice review! I'm glad it will not be deleted. ;)

Nice vendor status.

PHD - USA
01-14-2013, 07:16 PM
Nice vendor status.

Why thank you for noticing lol

rebelfromva
01-14-2013, 07:42 PM
Intrtesting build. Can't wait to try mine.

The_Grimy_One
01-14-2013, 07:57 PM
Why thank you for noticing lol

I personally dont like @ge_off_me

PHD - USA
01-15-2013, 12:29 AM
I personally dont like @ge_off_me

I think it's funny that White Dragon liked this comment. That's very indirectly hurtful to me. ;)

Aside from that. Great review, and I'm sure we will see many more reviews of this company's great drivers here in the near future.

jdmferio13
01-15-2013, 12:43 AM
cant wait to order mine almost done piecing together my sq stuff.

PHD - USA
01-15-2013, 12:44 AM
cant wait to order mine almost done piecing together my sq stuff.

Awesome! Are you ordering through Better, myself, or another dealer?

jdmferio13
01-15-2013, 12:52 AM
Prolly from you .I bought an amp I wasnt happy with so picked up an arc ks300.4 and will get these next.

PHD - USA
01-15-2013, 12:53 AM
Prolly from you .I bought an amp I wasnt happy with so picked up an arc ks300.4 and will get these next.

Those KS amps are very nice indeed. You made a very good choice buying it haha.

jdmferio13
01-15-2013, 12:55 AM
yeah had a ab vfl micro 150.4.Its there newest micro amps just doesnt fit my needs lol

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Do you have pics of the mid thats in the fb pro kit 6.1

PHD - USA
01-15-2013, 01:01 AM
Indeed I do lol.

http://i.imgur.com/53F2Y.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/KrfLs.jpg

Bettr n' Revrse
01-15-2013, 01:02 AM
yeah had a ab vfl micro 150.4.Its there newest micro amps just doesnt fit my needs lol

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Do you have pics of the mid thats in the fb pro kit 6.1

http://i705.photobucket.com/albums/ww52/busta_grose/0054B14B-D23F-4AB9-8092-5D844ABC9AD2-12513-000009BA5F2AD1E8.jpg

http://i705.photobucket.com/albums/ww52/busta_grose/180E641A-6D05-40DF-B7BD-4013A85D0361-12513-000009BA539D4627.jpg

PHD - USA
01-15-2013, 01:03 AM
http://i705.photobucket.com/albums/ww52/busta_grose/0054B14B-D23F-4AB9-8092-5D844ABC9AD2-12513-000009BA5F2AD1E8.jpg

http://i705.photobucket.com/albums/ww52/busta_grose/180E641A-6D05-40DF-B7BD-4013A85D0361-12513-000009BA539D4627.jpg

They have actually updated the mid since that picture was taken lol

jdmferio13
01-15-2013, 01:05 AM
whats mounting depth is it correct on there website

Bettr n' Revrse
01-15-2013, 01:09 AM
They have actually updated the mid since that picture was taken lol

Gives him a general idea though dice I had them on my phone already lol


whats mounting depth is it correct on there website

Just over just over 2.6"

PHD - USA
01-15-2013, 01:11 AM
whats mounting depth is it correct on there website

The website will be overhauled here shortly and updated completely lol

jdmferio13
01-15-2013, 01:11 AM
ok thanks guys.now just to find out how to go active

av83
01-15-2013, 01:13 AM
Intrtesting build. Can't wait to try mine.

Thanks man. I decided to go heavier on the front stage, and tone down, while increasing sound quality on the substage. Fits my music tastes better.

Name looks good in green ge_off_me ;!

PHD - USA
01-15-2013, 01:14 AM
ok thanks guys.now just to find out how to go active

I can help you out with that as well =P

If you want, pm me and I can give you plenty of help with that

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Thanks man. I decided to go heavier on the front stage, and tone down, while increasing sound quality on the substage. Fits my music tastes better.

Name looks good in green ge_off_me ;!

Thanks =P haha

Also, thank you for those pictures, I can't wait for the rest of them!

pieper88
01-15-2013, 01:16 AM
I'm lazy. Whats the pricing like on these and where can they be purchased

PHD - USA
01-15-2013, 01:19 AM
I'm lazy. Whats the pricing like on these and where can they be purchased

They can be purchased through meeeeeeee.

You have a pm coming.

Bettr n' Revrse
01-15-2013, 01:19 AM
ok thanks guys.now just to find out how to go active

Plenty of help with that here... Easiest way is off of an active capable deck... I am getting rid of an Alpine 9855 which is a good start if you find out that is through the deck is the way you wanna go we can work something out on it...

av83
01-15-2013, 01:20 AM
Indeed I do lol.

http://i.imgur.com/53F2Y.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/KrfLs.jpg

Lol, my brothers S3 takes some nice effing pics...

av83
01-15-2013, 01:24 AM
I can help you out with that as well =P

If you want, pm me and I can give you plenty of help with that

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Thanks =P haha

Also, thank you for those pictures, I can't wait for the rest of them!

For some reason the rest don't want to come through via email. I'm working on it. We have some great shots of the install.

PHD - USA
01-15-2013, 01:28 AM
For some reason the rest don't want to come through via email. I'm working on it. We have some great shots of the install.

Can't wait lol hope you figure it out soon!

Bettr n' Revrse
01-15-2013, 01:29 AM
For some reason the rest don't want to come through via email. I'm working on it. We have some great shots of the install.

They look good would it be cool with you if I use them for a bit too? I am going to have some professional shots done of all the Lines I get in when they get here but it'll be a couple weeks until that happens...

av83
01-15-2013, 02:57 AM
They look good would it be cool with you if I use them for a bit too? I am going to have some professional shots done of all the Lines I get in when they get here but it'll be a couple weeks until that happens...

Go for it. I'll have more for you soon, too.

PHD - USA
01-15-2013, 08:44 AM
go for it. I'll have more for you soon, too.

moarrrrrrr!

av83
01-15-2013, 11:30 AM
moarrrrrrr!

Moarrrrrr?

ok.

Unboxing for the install

http://img534.imageshack.us/img534/7030/20130112143711.jpg

http://img442.imageshack.us/img442/7001/201301121439521.jpg

http://img823.imageshack.us/img823/4522/20130112143937.jpg

http://img338.imageshack.us/img338/5753/phdcrossover.jpg

Compared to my old CDT's. Not really a fair comparison to CDT in general, though. Those are their entry level mids. The PHD's are the the power handling elite of their line-up.

http://img854.imageshack.us/img854/8845/20130112161200.jpg

http://img690.imageshack.us/img690/5315/croppedcomparo.jpg

A little bit of the install...

http://img94.imageshack.us/img94/1551/201301121606341.jpg

http://imageshack.us/a/img84/8717/20130112161518.jpg

http://imageshack.us/a/img202/6295/20130112161513.jpg

My fave is the one that's in my sig tho. I don't know how it turned out so well, but its stunning.

PHD - USA
01-15-2013, 12:15 PM
This is the kind of stuff I want to see!

av83
01-15-2013, 01:49 PM
This is the kind of stuff I want to see!

I just hooked up the oldie Planet Audio in my sig, so I was finally able to hear these complimented by a strong low end. Wow it sounds good! For one, I'm shocked by the output of the amp, lol. But as far as it pertains to the new comps, they compliment a strong sub stage extraordinarily well. A nice full, balanced, sound... that gets loud as sheit doing it, lol.

AxT4430
01-15-2013, 01:59 PM
Has it been mentioned before, what is the price on a complete set of mids and tweeters?

av83
01-15-2013, 02:04 PM
Has it been mentioned before, what is the price on a complete set of mids and tweeters?

Pm ge_off_me ;. There are several lines. Any one of then may suit your needs best.

Bettr n' Revrse
01-15-2013, 02:05 PM
Has it been mentioned before, what is the price on a complete set of mids and tweeters?

PM either me or Geoff depending on your location...

AxT4430
01-15-2013, 07:33 PM
They can be purchased through meeeeeeee.

You have a pm coming.

Send one my way, as well!

neo_styles
01-15-2013, 07:35 PM
I sense a new forum boner coming...

jdmferio13
01-16-2013, 01:19 AM
Plenty of help with that here... Easiest way is off of an active capable deck... I am getting rid of an Alpine 9855 which is a good start if you find out that is through the deck is the way you wanna go we can work something out on it...

Should have made it more clear lol.I know how to go active I just dont wanna get rid of my double din Pioneer AVH-P4300dvd.I might try the clarion nx702 though

Bettr n' Revrse
01-16-2013, 01:27 AM
I sense a new forum boner coming...

The prices for the lower lines are very affordable so maybe...


Should have made it more clear lol.I know how to go active I just dont wanna get rid of my double din Pioneer AVH-P4300dvd.I might try the clarion nx702 though

Awwww I see

av83
01-16-2013, 02:20 AM
Should have made it more clear lol.I know how to go active I just dont wanna get rid of my double din Pioneer AVH-P4300dvd.I might try the clarion nx702 though

If your amp can set the lpf for the mids, and the hpf for the tweeters, you can bp the mid frequency using the hpf on the deck. You'll want to use a crossover calibrator to set the points on your amp tho. I tried guessing at first with mine, and found out I was way off when I used a cc-1 to tune it. Or you can just buy a two way pre amp crossover, if your amp isn't capable. But you'll still want a calibrator for that if it uses dials.

jdmferio13
01-17-2013, 06:39 AM
My Amp does just rather use a hu that has t/a and crossovers built in which the nx702 does.

Bassballer150
01-18-2013, 05:11 AM
Nice review! Can't wait to order mine

av83
01-18-2013, 06:14 AM
Nice review! Can't wait to order mine

Thanks! You're going to love them, man.

gckless
01-18-2013, 07:23 AM
They look good would it be cool with you if I use them for a bit too? I am going to have some professional shots done of all the Lines I get in when they get here but it'll be a couple weeks until that happens...

What kind of shots are you looking for? I'm decently handy with a camera. I've got pics a couple places on here. If you wanted we could work something out.

PHD - USA
01-18-2013, 09:47 AM
I think we have that covered =P I appreciate your willingness to help us out though. =]

Bettr n' Revrse
01-18-2013, 10:14 AM
What kind of shots are you looking for? I'm decently handy with a camera. I've got pics a couple places on here. If you wanted we could work something out.

It's not big deal man in still waiting on mine and have a photography student friend that was going to use it for a project anyway... Appreciate the offer though

bhsdriller
01-18-2013, 11:17 AM
can someone pm me wih pricing on this set please

PHD - USA
01-18-2013, 11:34 AM
can someone pm me wih pricing on this set please

pmed

gckless
01-18-2013, 06:16 PM
Oh man don't play the secret price game like DC! I'd be interested in a price too though. Just tweets and woofers if that's possible.

OnYrMrk
01-20-2013, 12:00 AM
Re: PHD FB 6.1 Kit Pro
Oh man don't play the secret price game like DC! I'd be interested in a price too though. Just tweets and woofers if that's possible.

You are in Japan? Let me check with Italy to see who the Japanese Distributor is.

av83
01-20-2013, 12:23 AM
..

av83
01-20-2013, 12:26 AM
nevermind.

av83
01-20-2013, 12:27 AM
dp

PHD - USA
01-20-2013, 12:32 AM
Why wouldn't he be able to purchase from him? It seems like you've had a problem with the PHD vendor on this site from the get go. Why is that?

This is a more complicated matter that is in the works, stand down =P Don't worry though everything will work out fine.

PHD - USA
01-20-2013, 12:32 AM
Why wouldn't he be able to purchase from him? It seems like you've had a problem with the PHD vendor on this site from the get go. Why is that?

This is a more complicated matter that is in the works, stand down =P Don't worry though everything will work out fine.

lameduck
02-08-2013, 12:02 AM
pmed

I'd also be interested in this setup.