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Trevor28139
01-08-2013, 11:30 PM
It's time for me to upgrade the weak link in my setup which is the deck/source. My main focus is sq so the pioneer 99rs has been the deck i have been looking at. But was curious as to how it stacks up to a pc with a killer sound card. I think I can do either for about the same money so it's really comes down To which has best audio...

West
01-08-2013, 11:48 PM
Pc with a killer sound card will absolutely dominate the p99rs.

P99rs has poor build quality as well.

Trevor28139
01-08-2013, 11:53 PM
Why Do you not see computers running sq comp vehicles? I'm assuming there is Something I am overlooking

West
01-08-2013, 11:53 PM
Or you could get a dva-9861 (or any deck with optical out) and a bit one or ps8 for the same price as the pioneer and get everything the p99rs has to offer x 10.
The processors give you much more control and have better DAC's.
Make sure you get a controller if you go with a processor.

West
01-08-2013, 11:55 PM
Why Do you not see computers running sq comp vehicles? I'm assuming there is Something I am overlooking

People like a deck in their dash. They think its better.
If you are talking about a Mcintosh MX5000 or MX4000, that's one thing.
But you can do better than a p99rs for the price...

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I had one for 5 months and switched it out in case you were interested... it was the weakest link in my gear hands down.

gckless
01-08-2013, 11:55 PM
Or you could get a dva-9861 (or any deck with optical out) and a bit one or ps8 for the same price as the pioneer and get everything the p99rs has to offer x 10.
The processors give you much more control and have better DAC's.
Make sure you get a controller if you go with a processor.

Is optical the only digital out on HU's?

West
01-08-2013, 11:57 PM
Is optical the only digital out on HU's?

Some have digital coax. It is more subject to noise because it's an electrical signal.

gckless
01-09-2013, 12:00 AM
Some have digital coax. It is more subject to noise because it's an electrical signal.

True, but from working with fiber every day, that **** does NOT belong in a car. Though I guess someone running optical would be advanced enough to do a good install.

West
01-09-2013, 12:03 AM
Why Do you not see computers running sq comp vehicles? I'm assuming there is Something I am overlooking

When I switched the p99rs out to my dva-9861 and ps8. The sound was 3x as full as with the pioneer, same speakers, same amps, same everything except the source.
People think inside the box. They want a deck because most computers plug into AC outlets. I am not sure if they can compete with a computer in their dash either...

The raw processing power of some of the sound cards that are out there dwarfs the p99...

The FM tuner and the ipod interface are the good features on that unit. The cd player did not impress me.

Are you running active/passive crossovers?

Trevor28139
01-09-2013, 12:10 AM
Well I'm not building a competition vehicle I just want it to be as good as feasibly possibly. I don't care about indash Unit my deck is hidden away in my console now.

I probably will not be going to the optical out level That's a bit beyond me. I'm just trying to figure out what kind of results I will see of I take one of my spare media PC's and put it in the truck with a small touch screen monitor vs buying a 800-1000 headunit. the computer way will actually be very little out of pocket costs because I have most of what I would need.

Trevor28139
01-09-2013, 12:12 AM
Got active crossovers now but added another amp today and will be doing 8s in the doors soon so will have 5 amps total and each need to be crossed over differently so I'm going to probably pick up an eqx or something equivalent

Rephrase that 2 amps will be on the 8s so they will be crossed over the same. But I do want a crossover that cuts high and low

whitemax
01-09-2013, 12:14 AM
True, but from working with fiber every day, that **** does NOT belong in a car. Though I guess someone running optical would be advanced enough to do a good install.


I've run setups with fiber optic cables several times. I never had any issues with damage to the cables. I'm currently using the optical outputs on my HU & changer to my processor.

West
01-09-2013, 12:18 AM
Got active crossovers now but added another amp today and will be doing 8s in the doors soon so will have 5 amps total and each need to be crossed over differently so I'm going to probably pick up an eqx or something equivalent

Rephrase that 2 amps will be on the 8s so they will be crossed over the same. But I do want a crossover that cuts high and low

Whatever you decide I would shy away from the p99.
Get a good (250$ alpine) or any deck that sounds good to your ears and pick up a processor. Personally I love digital out/input. RCA output isn't that bad either.
You will save money and have a better sound with a lot of options.

Just one thing that I like with the ps8 is instead of just a left/right eq. I have a 31 band eq for every individual channel. The capability to select my output voltage to my amps is a big plus for me.

Trevor28139
01-09-2013, 12:22 AM
Not to be naive but the digital out goes to processor and rcas out of the processor into crossover right

West
01-09-2013, 12:25 AM
Not to be naive but the digital out goes to processor and rcas out of the processor into crossover right

The processor handles all your crossovers. Digital out or RCA out from the deck to the processor and you run RCAs from the processor to your amps. Connect all your speakers directly to the amp and run the amp wide open (no filters/crossovers required).

Trevor28139
01-09-2013, 12:30 AM
The processor handles all your crossovers. Digital out or RCA out from the deck to the processor and you run RCAs from the processor to your amps. Connect all your speakers directly to the amp and run the amp wide open (no filters/crossovers required).
So it is the ultimate control...I'm seeing that it has a 1200msrp and it appears that it has a gui like you connect it to a pc.

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The processor handles all your crossovers. Digital out or RCA out from the deck to the processor and you run RCAs from the processor to your amps. Connect all your speakers directly to the amp and run the amp wide open (no filters/crossovers required).
So it is the ultimate control...I'm seeing that it has a 1200msrp and it appears that it has a gui like you connect it to a pc.

West
01-09-2013, 12:35 AM
So it is the ultimate control...I'm seeing that it has a 1200msrp and it appears that it has a gui like you connect it to a pc.

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So it is the ultimate control...I'm seeing that it has a 1200msrp and it appears that it has a gui like you connect it to a pc.
mylows10 ; can get you a much better deal on a ps8 + control unit. You don't need the control unit if you go RCA out from the deck.

To be fair the p99rs can handle 4 way crossovers as well, but you don't get as good of a dac and you also don't get nearly as many tuning options with the p99rs.
I think you can get the bit 1 for cheaper.
The mosconi 6to8 is another good processor, Helix also makes one.

Trevor28139
01-09-2013, 12:38 AM
Well you have swayed me away from the 99 thinking that ps8 would be pretty awesome if I could do a computer Into the ps8. How much does the ps8 actually go for.

West
01-09-2013, 01:03 AM
Well you have swayed me away from the 99 thinking that ps8 would be pretty awesome if I could do a computer Into the ps8. How much does the ps8 actually go for.

The price I pm'ed you was the black friday price.
But he should be able to get you a good deal.

West
01-09-2013, 01:05 AM
I told mylows to pm you.
He is a good guy to check with for bnib gear, almost always beats retail.