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marleyskater420
11-29-2012, 04:03 PM
Sup bishes? First off, mad props to Vertex Audio's Andrew for being hella cool. Dude blows hella L's on chick's T's man.

So I got bored a few weeks ago and thought I'd give fiberglassing a shot. These are my first panels I've ever made, so if they ****-go blow a donkey. But yeah, I figured there are probably other newbs like myself that would like to see someone struggle with the intricacies of fiberglassing.

My goal is to make two door panels, each holding a 6.5" and two 4" speakers, then cut out the plastic on my stock door panel so that these sit on the door with the stock panel next to it. It won't look perfect, but I might figure out something later on.

I plan on drilling through the back of these and into the door to secure them to it.

The system:

HU:
Clarion CZ702 active w/ TA

Tweets:
CDT drt-26S upstage system

Mids:
2 sets of ES-04 accent fill systems

More mids:
2 ES-06 woofers

Subs:
8 ES-06+ 6.8" woofers

Amp:
Leviathan once they are off backorder. For now I have an audio system X-ion 165.4 coming.
I'm also toying with keeping the X-ion and adding the leviathan just for the ES-06+'s and reg 06's... just cause two amps look way cooler, and chicks get wet looking at shizz they have no clue what it is.


I also plan on building an amp rack with the subs around it later on. That I'll add to when I get everything in.

But yea, for now here is the build so far.

Feel free to BS in here as well. Clearly I don't give a sheeit about being serious, so if you wanna post newds of your gf, or perhaps let me bust a load on her face, that's totally chill too.



(and yes, I'm the ****** coolest dude who ever was a mod ....kidding)

marleyskater420
11-29-2012, 04:17 PM
Oh so I figure I should tell you how I did this..

Well I made the cutouts for the rings using 1/4" MDF, then used a hot glue gun and cut dowels to fit the speaker's depth, and put the rings on the shape I wanted the board to be.

Then I wrapped it in fabric, and this is where the guy at Tap Plastics really came in handy..

So I used Vinyl Ester resin, not a polyester resin like most.

I also used a single-layer fiberglass mat, and then a second quill/twill (whatever you wanna call it) layer, which gives it that carbon fiber look.

So steps:
1)Mixed up some resin and put on my heavy metal mix
2)ingested copious amounts of drugs to keep me entertained for hours
3)wet the fabric with the resin, just enough for the resin to sit on top, then gently applied the single-layer mat on top. I did this all the way around the panel until the entire thing had a layer of single-ply matting on it.
*Tip*= if you use scissors, like I do, to cut the mat, take your fingers and run it along the freshly cut edge of the mat to separate the edges of it. The cloth is more absorbent this way. Really helps a lot. Especially with small pieces.
4)While it was all still wet (this resin takes a long time to cure) I took my quill and laid it down over the single-ply matting. The cool stuff about this is that you can do huge cuts of it because it moves and bends to contours really well. So the whole panel took maybe 5 pieces, whereas the single ply matting took like 15 or so.
5)I let this stuff cure last night, and today when I get home I'll sand it with some 80 grit (if it has cured..its outside and 50 degrees so it isn't ideal conditions) and report back.

Timmy13091
11-29-2012, 04:21 PM
Pretty good for a messican.. Where's mine??

marleyskater420
11-29-2012, 04:26 PM
**** my balls, I'm a honkey!

I'll steal my ex g/fs and send them to you...afterall I did buy them for the bish... and she has my PPI Art AX400 too...and a bunch of really nice 4awg wire.. why didn't I take it when I left!!

04murdalanche
11-29-2012, 04:33 PM
Nice man, they look good!

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BALLLLLSS DEEP, AGH AGH AGH AGH lol

marleyskater420
11-29-2012, 04:36 PM
Thanks man!

I wanted to clarify that in some of the pics you see a panel with what looks like a bunch of white all over it/air bubbles. That is actually microspheres that I mixed into the resin to help smooth it out and create an easier surface to sand (even though I still put the quill over it).

I'll take pics of what I mean tonight if the panel dries out, as I'll be applying a layer with the microspheres as a finishing layer to smooth it out. No need for bondo with this stuff.

Also I think I'll be using the paint from Dip Your Car on these panels and see how that looks. Maybe a matte-black look.

Thoughts?

04murdalanche
11-29-2012, 04:39 PM
Thanks man!

I wanted to clarify that in some of the pics you see a panel with what looks like a bunch of white all over it/air bubbles. That is actually microspheres that I mixed into the resin to help smooth it out and create an easier surface to sand (even though I still put the quill over it).

I'll take pics of what I mean tonight if the panel dries out, as I'll be applying a layer with the microspheres as a finishing layer to smooth it out. No need for bondo with this stuff.

Also I think I'll be using the paint from Dip Your Car on these panels and see how that looks. Maybe a matte-black look.

Thoughts?

Yeah I'm interested in the microspheres. Might wanna use them in the future

And are you talking about plasti-dip? When you first spray it it looks like ****!!! Just FYI, but it actually dries somewhat smooth

marleyskater420
11-29-2012, 04:47 PM
Yeah I'm interested in the microspheres. Might wanna use them in the future

And are you talking about plasti-dip? When you first spray it it looks like ****!!! Just FYI, but it actually dries somewhat smooth

Yeah dude I'm all about using quill fabric from now on. The microspheres are looking pretty cool. They're 20-200 micron sized balls of glass that you mix in the resin to help keep it viscous and create a finishing layer over your matting. Basically if you can "lay it down"(with your girl and fiberglass..don't mix both, it hurts) smooth enough to begin with you won't have giant crevices to work around, and simple sanding will get you quite close with the single-ply and quill. Then you finish it with the microspheres and paint!

Of course I've never done this, but the dude who told me all this was an old-school rat-rodder who happened to work at Tap Plastics and I brought in my panel and told me what's up.

Also he told me to stay away from Knytex unless I absolutely needed it. The quill is strong enough along with some single ply layers that I wouldn't need anything more. He was telling me how a 1 gallon can that could do 100sq feet of normal matting would do more like 25ft with knytex.

I only mention this cause I also bought some knytex..but now I'm not using it hahaha.

I'll take pics tonight of all the different materials I have, and try to show some pics of the speakers n **** too. Maybe post some scandalous pics of my ex gfs that pissed me off (Timmy13091 can vouch for that)... who knows..

I do have a funny pic of me passed out (literally) on my garage floor after I pulled an all nighter glassing.

Also: The knives you see on the 4" speaker rings are to hold the matting down to the mdf rings. This is because the fabric was being pulled off the rings as it got wet, and the 3m77 glue was not sticking. It only seems to happen on drastic curves where lots of tension sits on the fabric. The little holes left over are easily sealed up with a bit of resin and smoothed over.

04murdalanche
11-29-2012, 04:54 PM
Yeah dude I'm all about using quill fabric from now on. The microspheres are looking pretty cool. They're 20-200 micron sized balls of glass that you mix in the resin to help keep it viscous and create a finishing layer over your matting. Basically if you can "lay it down"(with your girl and fiberglass..don't mix both, it hurts) smooth enough to begin with you won't have giant crevices to work around, and simple sanding will get you quite close with the single-ply and quill. Then you finish it with the microspheres and paint!

Of course I've never done this, but the dude who told me all this was an old-school rat-rodder who happened to work at Tap Plastics and I brought in my panel and told me what's up.

Also he told me to stay away from Knytex unless I absolutely needed it. The quill is strong enough along with some single ply layers that I wouldn't need anything more. He was telling me how a 1 gallon can that could do 100sq feet of normal matting would do more like 25ft with knytex.

I only mention this cause I also bought some knytex..but now I'm not using it hahaha.

I'll take pics tonight of all the different materials I have, and try to show some pics of the speakers n **** too. Maybe post some scandalous pics of my ex gfs that pissed me off (Timmy13091 can vouch for that)... who knows..

I do have a funny pic of me passed out (literally) on my garage floor after I pulled an all nighter glassing.

Also: The knives you see on the 4" speaker rings are to hold the matting down to the mdf rings. This is because the fabric was being pulled off the rings as it got wet, and the 3m77 glue was not sticking. It only seems to happen on drastic curves where lots of tension sits on the fabric. The little holes left over are easily sealed up with a bit of resin and smoothed over.

100 sq feet.... Holy ****. Lol



N4pics!:eyebrow::laugh:

marleyskater420
11-29-2012, 04:58 PM
Yeah man. I laid down two layers on one panel, and three on the other, and I think I only used 4oz each layer. Even less the second time around. This stuff goes a long way. However it's also 80$ a gallon.

04murdalanche
11-29-2012, 05:03 PM
Yeah man. I laid down two layers on one panel, and three on the other, and I think I only used 4oz each layer. Even less the second time around. This stuff goes a long way. However it's also 80$ a gallon.

Sheeeit that's pricey, worth it though. Post up more pics when you can

marleyskater420
11-29-2012, 05:13 PM
Yea the two panels were drying last night and hopefully finished drying today.

The thing with this stuff is that it really needs to be in the optimal temp to dry. With the home depot resin it was freezing out but it would still dry.

The nice thing though about it taking a long time to cure, is that if you need to cut more fabric or grab some food, you aren't pressed for time. I never mixed more than 4oz at a time and I have yet to waste any.

Depending on how ready they are tonight I'll try and take a few pics of the microspheres and show you how they mix in. The spheres are also good if you have really thin resin and you need something to "weigh" it up so it doesn't roll off the panel. Like on a vertical surface or something. I'll be using them when I make my big amp rack. I plan on doing 8 cdt es-06+'s in a V A (for vertex audio) configuration. 2 will be like this \ two like / then the amp in the center, then / and the last two \

So it'll look like \/ amp /\ however if I keep this xion (it does do 4x300 @1ohm and 2x605@2ohm bridged) I might need to figure a new way to do things. Maybe take out the rear seats?

I plan on having each 06+ in its own box (if possible) in .5cu tuned to roughly 28hz via CDT's recommendations. Should get crazy low for some little dudes.

bhsdriller
11-29-2012, 05:25 PM
looks good...I would of done the rings a little different, going to be hard to get that area around the speakers looking smooth and cleaned up

04murdalanche
11-29-2012, 05:27 PM
I'm tuned in fa sho

marleyskater420
11-29-2012, 05:35 PM
looks good...I would of done the rings a little different, going to be hard to get that area around the speakers looking smooth and cleaned up

Which area of the rings? I knew that on the interior area (where all three converge) it would be difficult to get it smooth. Thats why I want to go with that textured paint to kinda hide it. However I think the quill cloth and the mircospheres will help...hopefully..

What would you recommend? Totally open to input maistro. Afterall this is my first gig.

bhsdriller
11-29-2012, 05:41 PM
Which area of the rings? I knew that on the interior area (where all three converge) it would be difficult to get it smooth. Thats why I want to go with that textured paint to kinda hide it. However I think the quill cloth and the mircospheres will help...hopefully..

What would you recommend? Totally open to input maistro. Afterall this is my first gig.

make flushmount rings....the way you did it, it can make it hard to get the mounting surface flat
I'm trying to find a pic, but there's a trick to use a thin abs plastic around the ring to make it flush. And you can stretch and glue the fabric to that and it's super easy to trim out

marleyskater420
11-29-2012, 05:48 PM
make flushmount rings....the way you did it, it can make it hard to get the mounting surface flat
I'm trying to find a pic, but there's a trick to use a thin abs plastic around the ring to make it flush. And you can stretch and glue the fabric to that and it's super easy to trim out

Ohh thats a good idea!

so you can sand down the plastic that is on top of the ring so that it can sit flush much easier?

Or are you talking about having a second raised-ring that sits outside of your speaker mounting ring, so the fabric is stretched over that, and it looks like the speaker is "sunken" a bit?

I think I might get some plastic rings made up for the 06+ boxes and have them do flush mounts. Sounds like a good idea.

bhsdriller
11-29-2012, 05:50 PM
Ohh thats a good idea!

so you can sand down the plastic that is on top of the ring so that it can sit flush much easier?

Or are you talking about having a second raised-ring that sits outside of your speaker mounting ring, so the fabric is stretched over that, and it looks like the speaker is "sunken" a bit?

I think I might get some plastic rings made up for the 06+ boxes and have them do flush mounts. Sounds like a good idea.

here's a pic to give you an idea of the flushmount concept. This is done with plastic but is easy with wood,you can use 2 rings stacked.
http://i247.photobucket.com/albums/gg137/bhsdriller/20121016_135121.jpg

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Then when you stretch the fabric and glass you go up to or a little over the flush ring. Then just trim it out and it looks clean

marleyskater420
11-29-2012, 05:52 PM
So the second ring is really thin, and rides along the exterior portion?

Cause that it what it looks like to me.

Then I would glass over the trim ring, building up the glass over where the speaker sits, and then sand it down smooth to where it looks like one clean opening?

bhsdriller
11-29-2012, 05:53 PM
This is just the fabric wetted out...it leaves a nice edge around the speaker
http://i247.photobucket.com/albums/gg137/bhsdriller/Picture028.jpg

marleyskater420
11-29-2012, 05:56 PM
I see. So its really to get a clean edge around the speaker and a nice flat surface to mount to?

I don't have a router unfortunately (on my list of things to get) but I might have some plastic ones made up.

Or am I seeing this incorrectly?

04murdalanche
11-29-2012, 05:57 PM
http://i261.photobucket.com/albums/ii58/hhawksqb1/DSC_0171.jpg

http://i261.photobucket.com/albums/ii58/hhawksqb1/DSC_0172.jpg

http://i261.photobucket.com/albums/ii58/hhawksqb1/DSC_0173.jpg

http://i261.photobucket.com/albums/ii58/hhawksqb1/DSC_0175.jpg

http://i261.photobucket.com/albums/ii58/hhawksqb1/DSC_0176.jpg

http://i261.photobucket.com/albums/ii58/hhawksqb1/DSC_0177.jpg

http://i261.photobucket.com/albums/ii58/hhawksqb1/DSC_0178.jpg

This will give you an idea of how they look, i just finished these..

bhsdriller
11-29-2012, 05:57 PM
^his pics show it good

Here's a good video explaining the flush mounting with abs plastic
Low Temp Plastic instructions - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0kmGYYH2npM)

marleyskater420
11-29-2012, 06:01 PM
Ahhh gotcha!

Yeah I think I'll have some of these made up for my next panels. Be much easier. Thanks for the tips!

jockhater2
11-29-2012, 06:15 PM
can I blow a donkey while busting a load on your face?

marleyskater420
11-29-2012, 06:20 PM
If the price is right, anything is possible.

But we have to spoon afterwards.

You're the little spoon.

jockhater2
11-29-2012, 06:28 PM
If the price is right, anything is possible.

But we have to spoon afterwards.

You're the little spoon.

http://i49.tinypic.com/2eyv0uf.jpg

04murdalanche
11-29-2012, 06:31 PM
Lol

Timmy13091
11-29-2012, 07:29 PM
http://i49.tinypic.com/2eyv0uf.jpg

I got the same bikini... What a ka wink a dink

jockhater2
11-29-2012, 07:30 PM
LOL nice.

FYI. that fiberglass job LOOKS AWESOME

marleyskater420
11-30-2012, 02:25 PM
So panels weren't dry.

On the one that was still wet the bottom lip where there was some overhang got raised off the matting a bit when I grabbed it real quick to save it from the rain. Itll sand fine though.

Also the fleece on the same fabric wasn't pulled tight enough I guess (which is weird cause I stretched it real tight) and it rippled a bit. I'll put another layer of quill over it and it'll smoothen out.

I made a makeshift box to put the panels in with a heater so hopefully by the time I get home they are dried out, and I can sand them and begin fixing what happened.

Timmy13091
12-04-2012, 10:24 PM
http://i1150.photobucket.com/albums/o617/timmy13091/2BF94CA6-D4DC-405F-A616-534D59C20CA1-21351-00000ED5514250E7_zps6ee445d9.jpg
http://i1150.photobucket.com/albums/o617/timmy13091/20FC4C67-E42A-4517-AB27-35891CEC6FC3-21351-00000ED54B3D8310_zps58d48abf.jpg
http://i1150.photobucket.com/albums/o617/timmy13091/A88DD1AA-8AE1-4B2D-AD73-BD481DBCEEC8-21351-00000ED545DCA9E4_zps8ac4c627.jpg
http://i1150.photobucket.com/albums/o617/timmy13091/16B8A809-6785-4EA7-86AF-E2DB44E292FB-21336-00000ED2FAF1748B_zps4a7982d9.jpg
http://i1150.photobucket.com/albums/o617/timmy13091/69C9A6EB-B5C4-44F7-9AFB-DC7FB37652A7-21336-00000ED3002B4163_zps0f3d5c27.jpg
http://i1150.photobucket.com/albums/o617/timmy13091/3E974775-4B90-4378-A6A9-DD99CE8B02FB-21336-00000ED308ECD661_zpsf5a7cdbd.jpg
http://i1150.photobucket.com/albums/o617/timmy13091/2BB4446F-76D1-44D9-A13B-107CADACC1C9-2004-00000150389C1627_zps64c9fc48.jpg
http://i1150.photobucket.com/albums/o617/timmy13091/182DEADE-F875-468C-868A-5DAD78127A86-23941-00000CCAB25EA164_zpsbf8b86f2.jpg
Last pic is what cdt's goin on!

mylows10
12-04-2012, 10:27 PM
but you didnt buy them from me , then you paid to much.

marleyskater420
12-04-2012, 10:31 PM
but you didnt buy them from me , then you paid to much.

Vertex Audio takes care of me cause they dig Grand Nationals and T-types. Andrew is a top-notch dude and I don't mean any offense, but he has my business for life when it comes to that stuff.

Ain't trying to start a war or nuthin man. Hit me up in my WTB thread for the deadening.

And for the record I traded a ton of gear for the speakers. I didn't buy anything.

marleyskater420
12-04-2012, 10:32 PM
lmao Tim... of course you post the ****** panel..

ThatChevyGuy
12-04-2012, 10:39 PM
Is the ride a regal?

marleyskater420
12-04-2012, 10:43 PM
Is the ride a regal?

*shakes head* ...

its a 1987 T-Type Limited.

Basically a Grand National.

750hp monster-to-be.

Timmy13091
12-04-2012, 10:54 PM
That bike at the bottom takes all cash just let me know ill line that slow old man car up ;)

Timmy13091
12-04-2012, 10:57 PM
lmao Tim... of course you post the ****** panel..

My bad :smokin:

marleyskater420
12-04-2012, 11:32 PM
http://i1209.photobucket.com/albums/cc381/limitedunion/20121129_183423.jpg
Microspheres. These make your resin 3-4x's “bigger” and fluff it up. Essentially these turn resin into a bondo-like mixture that is very viscous, but also smooth and somewhat self-leveling (depending on how thick you have it). It sands down really easy, and you can fill in gaps just like bondo would, but use your resin as a base. 2Oz of resin makes the equivalent of about 4-5oz displacement in my mixing cup.
http://i1209.photobucket.com/albums/cc381/limitedunion/20121202_171222.jpg
This is what twil looks like. You can see the weave is almost like carbon fiber. It conforms to corners and turns really well, since there is space amongst the fibers to compact upon itself.
http://i1209.photobucket.com/albums/cc381/limitedunion/20121202_171349.jpg
comparing regular single matting to twill. You can see how matting has the glass in all directions, so there is no uniform way for it to want to fold. The twill's weave gives it axis to sorta move on, and change shape easily. Not saying the matting can't go around corners, just that I have found I can use 1 piece of twill to conform to multiple corners, and..well..I'm just not that good enough to get that result with matting yet.
http://i1209.photobucket.com/albums/cc381/limitedunion/20121202_174426.jpg
Here you can see how the one piece went around quite a few bends and turns. I dig this stuff.
http://i1209.photobucket.com/albums/cc381/limitedunion/20121202_201158.jpg
How it looks with resin on it. You can see on the left side of the panel where the fabric got warped. I'll fix that later on.
http://i1209.photobucket.com/albums/cc381/limitedunion/20121202_190151.jpg
Filled in the uneven areas up top. You can see the bottom part of the panel where warping happened. Again, this will be fixed later on.
http://i1209.photobucket.com/albums/cc381/limitedunion/20121202_174402.jpg
http://i1209.photobucket.com/albums/cc381/limitedunion/20121201_051859.jpg
http://i1209.photobucket.com/albums/cc381/limitedunion/20121201_051832.jpg
How the warping looked after the layer of twill...why I felt the need to salvage this panel, I dont know..

marleyskater420
12-04-2012, 11:41 PM
http://i1209.photobucket.com/albums/cc381/limitedunion/20121202_190116.jpg
Thickening up the area where the knives held the matting down. The twill seems to look white no matter how much resin you lay on it, and as it dries it soaks it up. Whereas with matting, if it's white, its dry.
http://i1209.photobucket.com/albums/cc381/limitedunion/20121201_074743.jpg
This is the resin I use. The little black bottle is pigment to color the resin. I use that so that when I am sanding, I know once I have gone through the most current layer and need to add some more thickness to that spot (if it isnt perfect when I reach through, that is)
http://i1209.photobucket.com/albums/cc381/limitedunion/20121201_081846.jpg
Here is what the microspheres look like
http://i1209.photobucket.com/albums/cc381/limitedunion/20121201_084301.jpg
Spheres and pigment mixed into the resin. You can see it kinda looks like pearl in candy paint for cars.

http://i1209.photobucket.com/albums/cc381/limitedunion/20121201_091122.jpg
Shot of the “good” panel after the first layer of spheres.
http://i1209.photobucket.com/albums/cc381/limitedunion/20121201_102413.jpg
You can see it levels itself out fairly well. Obviously there are some imperfections, but for a thick substance it does pretty well for itself.
http://i1209.photobucket.com/albums/cc381/limitedunion/20121201_084545.jpg
http://i1209.photobucket.com/albums/cc381/limitedunion/20121201_084533.jpg
Up close of the spheres after they have dried.

ThatChevyGuy
12-04-2012, 11:43 PM
*shakes head* ...

its a 1987 T-Type Limited.

Basically a Grand National.

750hp monster-to-be.
Basically a regal lol

marleyskater420
12-04-2012, 11:59 PM
http://i1209.photobucket.com/albums/cc381/limitedunion/20121203_174416.jpg
The “bad” panel after the spheres and new matting dried.
http://i1209.photobucket.com/albums/cc381/limitedunion/20121203_174403.jpg
This is what happens when you are impatient and dont let the resin dry, and apply spheres too soon.
http://i1209.photobucket.com/albums/cc381/limitedunion/20121202_201740.jpg
This is to show you how thick the spheres make the resin, and how it will stay on vertical surfaces. I evened it out, but this was a good shot of how well it sits on the side of a panel.
http://i1209.photobucket.com/albums/cc381/limitedunion/20121203_174410.jpg
Shot of it dried.
http://i1209.photobucket.com/albums/cc381/limitedunion/20121203_174428.jpg
Not all of it was lost.
http://i1209.photobucket.com/albums/cc381/limitedunion/20121203_205746.jpg
Good panel after sanding the spheres layer
http://i1209.photobucket.com/albums/cc381/limitedunion/20121203_200342.jpg
Shot of good panel after the spheres. You can see how very little of the panel sanded through the spheres layer. It still was uneven, but it was nice to see that the spheres made a thick top coat.
http://i1209.photobucket.com/albums/cc381/limitedunion/20121203_205800.jpg
Cleaned with alcohol and ready to add another layer of spheres!

marleyskater420
12-05-2012, 12:03 AM
http://i1209.photobucket.com/albums/cc381/limitedunion/20121204_174926.jpg ES-06+ next to my 6776E turbo. Flows 75-78lbs/hr. Should be good for around 700-750hp for my motor.
http://i1209.photobucket.com/albums/cc381/limitedunion/20121203_200335.jpg
This is the crappy panel after the first layer of microspheres and being sanded. I screwed up here because I put the micorspheres on before the layer of matting and resin had dried, and so the spheres messed up how the matting sat. So that left me with a really uneven panel. Later on I add another layer of matting and clean up the areas that have the ripples where the rain soaked it.
http://i1209.photobucket.com/albums/cc381/limitedunion/20121203_183951.jpg
More shots of the crappy panel.
http://i1209.photobucket.com/albums/cc381/limitedunion/20121203_183939.jpg

http://i1209.photobucket.com/albums/cc381/limitedunion/20121203_183920.jpg
You can really see on this side where the spheres picked up the matting and "moved" them. The mixture was too thick, and the resin/matting wasn't dry, so it just made for a bad combo. Entirely my fault. If I had more patience, it wouldn't have happened.

marleyskater420
12-05-2012, 12:08 AM
http://i1209.photobucket.com/albums/cc381/limitedunion/20121204_175656.jpg
Good panel after the first sanding.
http://i1209.photobucket.com/albums/cc381/limitedunion/20121204_175706.jpg
A second layer of spheres for it, to fill in the low spots.
http://i1209.photobucket.com/albums/cc381/limitedunion/20121204_175735.jpg
This.Took.For.Ev.Er. ...added a ton of layers on the sides to even out the ripples and unevenness.. should have just done a new panel, but hey! I think I saved the bastard.. You can see how it is smooth where it used to be uneven and wrinkled.
http://i1209.photobucket.com/albums/cc381/limitedunion/20121204_175755.jpg
This same area used to have a ton of wrinkles and wave in it. Now it is smooth...thank you all-nighter and twill fabric..
http://i1209.photobucket.com/albums/cc381/limitedunion/20121204_175805.jpg
Some slight ripple in the area, but really its the lighting. I felt it and it besides the contours of the corner, it is pretty even.
http://i1209.photobucket.com/albums/cc381/limitedunion/20121204_175842.jpg
http://i1209.photobucket.com/albums/cc381/limitedunion/20121204_175832.jpg
This pic shows that area that showed contours a few pics ago much better. The only change in evenness is where the fabrics meet.
http://i1209.photobucket.com/albums/cc381/limitedunion/20121129_205048.jpg
Some, but not all, of the speakers I'll be using.

gckless
12-05-2012, 12:15 AM
Can you explain what the microspheres are for? Nice work though for sure.

marleyskater420
12-05-2012, 12:17 AM
http://i1209.photobucket.com/albums/cc381/limitedunion/20121201_081812.jpg
Just a little over 2oz. Good to start with.
http://i1209.photobucket.com/albums/cc381/limitedunion/20121201_075607.jpg
Always keep extra gloves and brushes nearby
http://i1209.photobucket.com/albums/cc381/limitedunion/20121201_074756.jpg
This is the pigment I used. I put about of it in each time. Maybe more depending on how much resin I am mixing up.
http://i1209.photobucket.com/albums/cc381/limitedunion/20121201_074815.jpg
Close up of the microspheres and what they do
http://i1209.photobucket.com/albums/cc381/limitedunion/20121201_082624.jpg
Pic of the resin with the pigment drops in it. You can see the spheres turn the resin into a blueish color
http://i1209.photobucket.com/albums/cc381/limitedunion/20121202_200604.jpg
What I consider a scoop of spheres to be.

This is also how much coke I could stuff in my nose in one rail when I was younger. Coincidence I can't smell or taste? ….mwuahaha

marleyskater420
12-05-2012, 12:23 AM
http://i1209.photobucket.com/albums/cc381/limitedunion/20121201_084246.jpg
Here is what the resin looks like after you mix in the spheres and pigment
http://i1209.photobucket.com/albums/cc381/limitedunion/20121201_102652.jpg
The “good” panel's low spot, filled with spheres. It was uneven because I didn't have the time to sit and spread it evenly..it was 4am and I had work at 730am.. yea..
http://i1209.photobucket.com/albums/cc381/limitedunion/20121201_081942.jpg
This is what roughly 6 scoops of spheres looks like. You can see how much space it takes up in the cup.
http://i1209.photobucket.com/albums/cc381/limitedunion/20121201_102422.jpg
shot of the good panel after the 2nd layer of spheres
http://i1209.photobucket.com/albums/cc381/limitedunion/20121201_102640.jpg
To spread the spheres mixture I use a new brush and gently sweep downwards, with the brush oriented as vertical as possible to get a long sweep with each stroke. I found the more vertical/drastic angle I had, and the cleaner the brush (I used about 6 brushes perfecting this layer of spheres...but I'm weird like that) I had much better and smoother results. Long, sweeping strokes were good for initial orienting of the panel, but as I really wanted to perfect it and it got drier, what I would do is short, gentle strokes. I would use this drastic angle on the brush and take areas of buildup that were higher than others on the panel, and gently move, with a soft sweeping motion, the areas and spread them out to other areas of the panel. It might take 40 strokes to go from the bottom of the panel to the top, but it made for a very, very smooth panel and finish.

gckless
12-05-2012, 12:30 AM
Ah, got it. So simply to reduce weight. Good for use in pods like this, But I would think bad for a sub box. Either way, looks good.

marleyskater420
12-05-2012, 12:43 AM
Ah, got it. So simply to reduce weight. Good for use in pods like this, But I would think bad for a sub box. Either way, looks good.

Not exactly.

The pics are all out of order. Once I organize it, it'll make sense.

The spheres thicken up the resin to make it more like bondo, but it self-levels to a point. It also allows you to build up uneven areas and not worry about resin sliding off the panel and getting that dripping effect. It basically makes the resin like bondo, but smoother and way more versatile.

They are meant to replace bondo altogether. Cause when you think about it, all bondo does is level things out..well this does that (somewhat by itself depending how thick you make it) and dries much smoother and even.

gckless
12-05-2012, 12:49 AM
Not exactly.

The pics are all out of order. Once I organize it, it'll make sense.

The spheres thicken up the resin to make it more like bondo, but it self-levels to a point. It also allows you to build up uneven areas and not worry about resin sliding off the panel and getting that dripping effect. It basically makes the resin like bondo, but smoother and way more versatile.

They are meant to replace bondo altogether. Cause when you think about it, all bondo does is level things out..well this does that (somewhat by itself depending how thick you make it) and dries much smoother and even.

Got it. I'll have to look at those. Is the price vs. performance difference worth it, over just using bondo and/or resin and a little extra sandpaper? Because I for one absolutely hate sanding.

marleyskater420
12-05-2012, 12:57 AM
Got it. I'll have to look at those. Is the price vs. performance difference worth it, over just using bondo and/or resin and a little extra sandpaper? Because I for one absolutely hate sanding.

Omfg it is so worth it. Its like 9$ for the jug and I have like 1/3 left and I've done 3 complete layers of the spheres.

You still have to sand it, dont get me wrong, but it comes off so much easier than bondo, and the nice thing is you can take a paint brush to it and smooth it out while it dries. I am using Vinyl Ester resin, not Polyester, and it is really sensitive to heat, so I was working in a cold space and I mixed like double the MEKP needed and I had easily 2 hours of working time with the spheres, probably more. And as soon as I put it under heat it cured over night.

This is my first time ever doing fiberglass, but I'll never use bondo again I think. I don't see a reason to. Plus you can mix in light amounts of the spheres when you're applying matting and it thickens things up a bit.

gckless
12-05-2012, 01:20 AM
Omfg it is so worth it. Its like 9$ for the jug and I have like 1/3 left and I've done 3 complete layers of the spheres.

You still have to sand it, dont get me wrong, but it comes off so much easier than bondo, and the nice thing is you can take a paint brush to it and smooth it out while it dries. I am using Vinyl Ester resin, not Polyester, and it is really sensitive to heat, so I was working in a cold space and I mixed like double the MEKP needed and I had easily 2 hours of working time with the spheres, probably more. And as soon as I put it under heat it cured over night.

This is my first time ever doing fiberglass, but I'll never use bondo again I think. I don't see a reason to. Plus you can mix in light amounts of the spheres when you're applying matting and it thickens things up a bit.

Well, I'm sold.

marleyskater420
12-06-2012, 10:33 PM
Ok so I edited all the pictures and put captions on each of them.

Hopefully this will help the n00bs like myself with an idea of wtf to do. More pics to come later.

Timmy13091
12-06-2012, 11:15 PM
Ok so I edited all the pictures and put captions on each of them.

Hopefully this will help the n00bs like myself with an idea of wtf to do. More pics to come later.

Thanks for making things easy fool !

marleyskater420
12-06-2012, 11:36 PM
Thanks for making things easy fool !

no prob maistro!

knotdrummer88
12-15-2012, 04:22 AM
Nice man, they look good!

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BALLLLLSS DEEP, AGH AGH AGH AGH lol
we talking hodge twins here?

04murdalanche
12-15-2012, 01:22 PM
we talking hodge twins here?
Yesss! I'm glad someone caught my drift, lmfao I clicked on this thread thinking that's what it was gonna be about, they are sooooo fvcking funny lol

knotdrummer88
12-15-2012, 04:26 PM
hell fvcking yeah they are man, and on top of that Im into lifting and working out as well, so its a perfect match! theyre awesome

marleyskater420
12-16-2012, 04:37 AM
Hodge twins? Who? How do i lift and not know who this is!?

Jayzbent
12-16-2012, 10:22 AM
I have heard of using spheres in latex paint or even adding it to bed liner as a thermal and sound barrier. A few of guys in the hotrod arena been using them. A guy even painted his apartment with microspheres in it and said it actually reduced the sound from his upstairs neighbors. I personally haven't had a chance to try them but I think I may now.

mlstrass
12-21-2012, 04:06 AM
Curious as to how tall those pods are cuz they look fuggin HUGE. Like they'd stick off the doors way too far and leave no leg room...

marleyskater420
12-21-2012, 11:18 AM
Curious as to how tall those pods are cuz they look fuggin HUGE. Like they'd stick off the doors way too far and leave no leg room...

Well they're mounting to the metal on the door, so that gives me extra clearance, but they're about 5" deep on the biggest part.

This is for my work truck, so I'm the only one who rides in it, and I made the driver's side panel with enough leg room.

And besides, any passenger that complains can just take their own car.


I have heard of using spheres in latex paint or even adding it to bed liner as a thermal and sound barrier. A few of guys in the hotrod arena been using them. A guy even painted his apartment with microspheres in it and said it actually reduced the sound from his upstairs neighbors. I personally haven't had a chance to try them but I think I may now.

The spheres are really, really helpful, and make sanding so much easier. They sand incredibly fast and are very easy to apply. I will use them for every project from now on.

Timmy13091
12-21-2012, 03:20 PM
Well they're mounting to the metal on the door, so that gives me extra clearance, but they're about 5" deep on the biggest part.

This is for my work truck, so I'm the only one who rides in it, and I made the driver's side panel with enough leg room.

And besides, any passenger that complains can just take their own car.



The spheres are really, really helpful, and make sanding so much easier. They sand incredibly fast and are very easy to apply. I will use them for every project from now on.

Ya the spheres are crazy thanks bro I can't wait to try all this **** out ... And the panels looking sick will be some **** once its all in
:applause:

mlstrass
12-22-2012, 03:55 AM
I did a set of pods last week for 2 6.5's. Took 20 minutes of sanding for the glass and 5 minutes for the coat of lightweight body filler. I've done several sets now and have learned how to lay the stuff down smoothly. My first few times it was a LOT more sanding, so I could see how the spheres would help...

marleyskater420
12-25-2012, 02:27 AM
I did a set of pods last week for 2 6.5's. Took 20 minutes of sanding for the glass and 5 minutes for the coat of lightweight body filler. I've done several sets now and have learned how to lay the stuff down smoothly. My first few times it was a LOT more sanding, so I could see how the spheres would help...

I'm sure with time it will be less work in sanding,but the low cost of the spheres and how easy they sand is really convenient.