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Octave
11-04-2012, 11:27 AM
Here we have Ron's brand new 2013 Mercedes Benz E63. So new in fact it only had 900 miles on the clock. Ron goes to the same gym as I do so over cardio we discussed what could be done audio wise because it wasn't up to par with what he wanted. The goal was easy. It needed to be LOUD. Well Focal and plenty of power via Mosconi got there.


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First up is the front doors. The speakers were riveted in and once drilled out I was able to do some comparison pics. Ron's comment was "My motorcycle came with better speakers and this is a $100k car." Well the Focal K2 165 KRX2 will provide the proper audio experience this car deserves.

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True to Octave style I made the adapter plates out plexiglas to guard against moisture that wood destroy MDF rings in a door.


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To install the rings I used Rivet nuts to give me a proper mounting point for the rings. Also some foam tape was put down as a gasket.


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Octave
11-04-2012, 11:29 AM
Heat shrink on the terminals to keep moisture from the connections and the speaker were ready to go in.


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With the mids done I turn my attention to the tweeters. Yet again a little lack luster on the OEM tweeters. To my surprise the Focal tweeters dropped right into the OEM location.


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The door all done I got lucky again because the car didn't have a molex plug so running the speaker wire through the grommet was easy.


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Driver's door done the passenger door got the same treatment.


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Octave
11-04-2012, 11:29 AM
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With the door panels back on you can see those yellow cones peeking at you.


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Now that the front doors are done the rears are up next. The rears offered a challenge. The speakers are riveted on but from the back of the panel and the panel itself is riveted to the door so the only option was to cut the surround on the speaker to get at the rivet.


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After getting the speaker out another comparison was done with the Focal K2 165 KR. Yet again no comparison.


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Octave
11-04-2012, 11:30 AM
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Just like the fronts the rear doors got the same treatment.


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Octave
11-04-2012, 11:31 AM
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The rear tweeters are the same as the front. I also got lucky with the mounting on them in the rear door panels as well but my luck will run out on this car.


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Octave
11-04-2012, 11:32 AM
Just like the fronts you can see the yellow cones peeking.


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With the doors done I turned my attention to the crossovers. As always I prefer to mount the crossovers inside the car for easy access down the road.


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Now my luck comes to an end. The rear doors had a molex plug that I had to go through to run the wires. Wasn't that big of an issue because there is 2 open spaces to run 2 wires through.


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Octave
11-04-2012, 11:32 AM
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Moving towards the back I was able to find space under the plastic floor board of the trunk to hide the crossovers.

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With the front of the car done it was time to wire up the trunk. The trunk houses everything from the OEM amplifier to a power source. Custom RCAs were made to be able to go high level inputs to the Mosconi 6to8 DSP. I also used my favorite fuse tap to provide the turn on signal.


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Octave
11-04-2012, 11:33 AM
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Last thing on the docket was to do build the subwoofer enclosure and amplifier rack. To keep everything one unit and not take up any trunk room the enclosure was mounted to the rear deck with the subwoofer firing down. Black Hole Stuff enclosure fill was used.


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Octave
11-04-2012, 11:33 AM
For power a Mosconi Gladen One 120.4 was put on the mids/highs and a Mosconi Gladen One 240.2 was put on the Illusion Audio Carbon 10.


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Factory matched vinyl (matched done to the grain) was wrapped around the enclosure to give an OEM appearance.


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And to finish things off a shot of the Illusion Audio Carbon 10 and a very curious and excited owner.


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With everything done a base level tune done until the break period is done I can say I was overly impressed with the system. TO my surprise the doors had a lot of midbass even though no sound deadening was applied to the doors. Mercedes did a good job in that regard. But what impressed me most was the Illusion subwoofer. For it being a flat subwoofer it had output, got down in the weeds and was still detailed while doing it. Illusion Audio is back and better than ever. I'm looking forward to more system with the Illusion equipment. Good news for me I have 3 more builds booked featuring Illusion.


For more pics visit Octave : Orlando and Central Florida source for high end car audio (http://www.OCTAVEONLINE.com)

pickup1
11-04-2012, 11:44 AM
Those plexy speaker adaptors are bad a$$ dude...y'all got a cnc machine?

lunchmeat
11-04-2012, 11:44 AM
Nice and clean

jockhater2
11-04-2012, 11:48 AM
finally. Nice to see some European love. Just such a quality install. Really nice job!

Octave
11-04-2012, 01:09 PM
Thanks for the compliments.


Those plexy speaker adaptors are bad a$$ dude...y'all got a cnc machine?

Thanks. Nope. Just a router and a lot of patience.

keep_hope_alive
11-04-2012, 01:39 PM
excellent attention to detail in the speaker installation. a good example of how to do a job correctly. lovely amp rack - thanks for sharing!

04murdalanche
11-04-2012, 02:02 PM
excellent attention to detail in the speaker installation. a good example of how to do a job correctly. lovely amp rack - thanks for sharing!

X2!

How much do those focals run?:greedy:

Octave
11-04-2012, 02:50 PM
X2!

How much do those focals run?:greedy:

PM sent

2Dcore
11-04-2012, 03:24 PM
Love to see such a clean install, Great work. I'm kinda digging the Focals to, if you can Pm me a price on them. I'm needing to buy some for a new build i'm starting soon. Thanks

winkychevelle
11-04-2012, 03:27 PM
What is your stance on focal's tweeter lineup if u don't mind me asking? I'm considering the p165v30 for my new build and running them active but everyone is telling me that the tweeters are overly bright. I have a decent dsp deck so I figure I can tame them with some tuning.

keep_hope_alive
11-04-2012, 05:42 PM
i'd say there is about $6k in equipment in the car... and i'd say that install is worth a grand, but i assume less was paid.

gckless
11-04-2012, 06:45 PM
Install is worthy of the car. Very nice job.

The_Grimy_One
11-04-2012, 06:55 PM
Yea, this build is super clean. I swear my system looks so bad after seeing the detail some of you people give.

Octave
11-04-2012, 08:14 PM
Love to see such a clean install, Great work. I'm kinda digging the Focals to, if you can Pm me a price on them. I'm needing to buy some for a new build i'm starting soon. Thanks

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What is your stance on focal's tweeter lineup if u don't mind me asking? I'm considering the p165v30 for my new build and running them active but everyone is telling me that the tweeters are overly bright. I have a decent dsp deck so I figure I can tame them with some tuning.

Focals being bright is something in all honesty I'm tired of hearing. Whenever I hear that I just say that person has no idea what they are doing when setting up a system. If you tune a system right with them it'll sound great but if you don't the system will be overally bright. I'm not a fan of bright sounding systems and prefer a more natural warm sound and with the right tuning Focals will get you there. You going active will give you unbelievable control of the speakers so you can tune them right where you want them to be. One thing to keep in mind is the break in period, which is about 200 hours will the Focals. They will losen up after that period and have a totally different fuller sound.


i'd say there is about $6k in equipment in the car... and i'd say that install is worth a grand, but i assume less was paid.

You're pretty close with your estimate ;O)


Yea, this build is super clean. I swear my system looks so bad after seeing the detail some of you people give.

Use this as motivation. I tell people the most important part to a system install is forethought. I think the time I take to figure out the wire running is a good amount of the install.

s10bassjunkie
11-04-2012, 08:45 PM
Thanks for the compliments.



Thanks. Nope. Just a router and a lot of patience.

For just a router and a shitload of patience, those are beastly!!! Very nice job!!!

gckless
11-04-2012, 09:01 PM
Focals being bright is something in all honesty I'm tired of hearing. Whenever I hear that I just say that person has no idea what they are doing when setting up a system. If you tune a system right with them it'll sound great but if you don't the system will be overally bright. I'm not a fan of bright sounding systems and prefer a more natural warm sound and with the right tuning Focals will get you there. You going active will give you unbelievable control of the speakers so you can tune them right where you want them to be. One thing to keep in mind is the break in period, which is about 200 hours will the Focals. They will losen up after that period and have a totally different fuller sound.

I've noticed this too, and it comes down to install. I'm pretty sure the people that say this just install them, notice they are bright, and don't try to move them around or tweak them in any way. I have never heard focals, so I guess I can't say too much, and they may be bright compared to other comps. But with the amount of options there are between mounting and EQ'ing and so forth, it's hard to believe that someone can't tame them down enough to sound good in any particular install.

winkychevelle
11-05-2012, 07:38 AM
I've noticed this too, and it comes down to install. I'm pretty sure the people that say this just install them, notice they are bright, and don't try to move them around or tweak them in any way. I have never heard focals, so I guess I can't say too much, and they may be bright compared to other comps. But with the amount of options there are between mounting and EQ'ing and so forth, it's hard to believe that someone can't tame them down enough to sound good in any particular install.

Yea I figured they could be tamed I just needed to hear that from someone who obviously has plenty experience with them. I've never ran focal so I don't have any personal experience with them and my local shop that carries them doesn't do jobs at nearly as high a caliber as what is shown in this one build log, which is why I do everything myself learning from guys like you @octave and @keephopealive .

gckless
11-05-2012, 08:17 AM
Yea I figured they could be tamed I just needed to hear that from someone who obviously has plenty experience with them. I've never ran focal so I don't have any personal experience with them and my local shop that carries them doesn't do jobs at nearly as high a caliber as what is shown in this one build log, which is why I do everything myself learning from guys like you Octave and @keephopealive .

Octave keep_hope_alive

keep_hope_alive
11-05-2012, 10:00 AM
in my experience, "bright" tweeters are just suffering from constructive and destructive interference due to aiming/mounting - typically a combination of direct and reflected and diffraction. or they are out of acoustic phase with the midrange... or they were poorly designed.

Focal makes nice speakers. Consider that Wilson Audio uses Focal drivers in their $50,000 Maxx 3's. (which sound amazing)

nutnbutcustm
11-16-2012, 08:32 PM
Beautiful work, very detailed. Nice car to!!