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DUAL10S
10-22-2012, 01:03 PM
Haven't been on the forum for a while.

Got a new 12 ram express single cab (let the quad cab go). Anyway......

Got the space for 35w x 16 h x 7.5 d box. Looking to do a single ported 10 or sealed 12. After displacement I should have ~1.5 cubes.

Considering the Q's or XCON 's (with spacer ring for mounting depth). The box will be behind drivers seat and amp behind passenger seat. Looking at the crescendo bc2000d for power. Start with 2 ohm @ 1100 wrms then maybe try it at 1 ohm, may be a bit much though. Can't not try it for the price though.

Did a quick sketch and think I can put the port out the passenger side of the box with the 10.
Slot port (3" x 5.5" x 31.25" @ 29hz) sound right?

Any thoughts?

pro-rabbit
10-22-2012, 01:09 PM
I love the response of ported enclosures in reg cabs if done correctly.

With the said, I of course would do a single 10 ported.

Honestly, both options should work out pretty decently.

Loudmp5
10-22-2012, 01:10 PM
sealed 12 10 might be a bit louder and q sealed xcon proted my opinion

mklett33
10-22-2012, 01:21 PM
Slot port (3" x 5.5" x 31.25" @ 29hz) sound right?



How much air space?

pro-rabbit
10-22-2012, 01:23 PM
BTW side firing a port @ 29hz is a to low for 90% of most that plan to actually listen to music.

DUAL10S
10-22-2012, 01:38 PM
How much air space?

~1.5 after displacement.

I would like to try the 10 ported. Was looking at the side port because the port would be easy when building the box. Both subs recommend 27 to 34 hz and 29hz is where the port length ended up where I wouldn't have to make a turn (just 1 straight port).

What should I be tuning to? I have to stay with the 5.5" wide port (Box depth).

mklett33
10-22-2012, 01:53 PM
32

travicles
10-22-2012, 03:12 PM
Definitely ported 10! XCON or FI Q both get the job done, and just set the gain to match their RMS. And I guess I will say what everyone else is saying.. don't tune that low. Here is my regular cab box tuned to 33: SSA Icon 10" - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QLvrMsCNaRs)

DUAL10S
10-22-2012, 03:34 PM
Definitely ported 10! XCON or FI Q both get the job done, and just set the gain to match their RMS. And I guess I will say what everyone else is saying.. don't tune that low. Here is my regular cab box tuned to 33: SSA Icon 10" - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QLvrMsCNaRs)

That's pretty nice.

Can't see the flex but with that 4.125 on the front and can't even hear the front stage when it hits, that's pretty loud.

I just checked and I still have my 4.125 and a older z1000d I may clean up and put to use. These amps didn't seem that big in my quad cab and can barely find a spot for them in the single cab. Either way will save me about 400 bucks.

So, yea ill figure for 33hz and post what I come up with.

Oh yea, where is your port at.

DUAL10S
10-22-2012, 04:11 PM
Refigured and had to add 3/4 to the height. So new dimensions are 35w x 16.75h x 7.5d.

I used the12volt.com so if this is not correct please let me know.

Port is 5.5" x 4.125" x 30.75" @ 33hz. Went up to 1.62 cubes after displacement.

Sub will be right in the bottom of the box, only have 9.5" between port wall and bottom of the box. Cut out is 9 1/4" so gonna be close.

Does it matter where the sub is mounted in relation to the port opening inside the box. Was gonna mount on the left side of box and internal port opening will be on the right with the external port opening on the left side above the sub.

Or just mount on the right side just below the internal port opening.

travicles
10-22-2012, 11:22 PM
My sub is facing forward into the passenger's seat and the port is side firing on the opposite side into the driver's side b-pillar. You don't want the sub and port on the same side, or at least, I don't think you do. I think some people say the sub is better behind the driver's seat w/ the port side firing into the passenger's b-pillar, but my configuration seems to work fine.

Also, I don't know if you're making your box 1.62 cubic feet, but that is too big. I wouldn't go bigger than 1.5 ft^3. For port area, I think I have 14 square inches per cube, so I have 21 square inches total. To be honest, I would probably up the port area and tune to 35 if I could do it over again.

gckless
10-22-2012, 11:26 PM
If you have 1.62cu.ft, you could make a DC 12" work. Not sure what other 12's like low air space, but I know those do. Food for thought.

Edit: Nevermind, just seen you only have 9.5".

travicles
10-23-2012, 10:11 AM
Yeah, I agree with gckless. I don't know how much you like bass, but I would try to squeeze out as much airspace as possible and consider doing a 12 or 2 10s or maybe even 2 8s. If you can fit 2 cubes, 2 SA-10s would be awesome.

DUAL10S
10-24-2012, 12:57 AM
Bass? Yea all I listen to is rap and dub-step, so the more the better.

I remeasured again and if I drop the height to 13" I can get 10" depth. Also I have to cut the width to 34", I missed that earlier.

So that should give me 1.83 cubes gross which will work for a 10 ported and possibly a 12 ported. Will do the normal slot port out the front of the box. May just have to pay for the plans so I know it's done right after I decide on a sub.

Leaning toward the XCON and gonna do 1k rms until that amp won't amp anymore.

What about PSI subs?

gckless
10-24-2012, 01:05 AM
Bass? Yea all I listen to is rap and dub-step, so the more the better.

I remeasured again and if I drop the height to 13" I can get 10" depth. Also I have to cut the width to 34", I missed that earlier.

So that should give me 1.83 cubes gross which will work for a 10 ported and possibly a 12 ported. Will do the normal slot port out the front of the box. May just have to pay for the plans so I know it's done right after I decide on a sub.

Leaning toward the XCON and gonna do 1k rms until that amp won't amp anymore.

What about PSI subs?

For a 12", I think DC would be the way to go for that little of airspace. Maybe someone else that knows more subs can chime in, but I think most 12's like more airspace. But you can sink just about any 10" in there happily.

And PSI can build you just about anything. Just email them and see what they can do. Or PM SPLaudio ; and see what he can do for you.

oldschool4me
10-24-2012, 01:34 AM
i personally think it depends on what music you listen to. hip hop etc i say ported, classic rock etc...i say sealed. i prefer sealed myself.

SPLaudio
10-24-2012, 07:08 AM
oh helz that is more than enough room for most 12" suwoofers...

Ignatowski
10-24-2012, 08:43 AM
ported 12....fk a 10 anything IMO

04murdalanche
10-24-2012, 10:53 AM
do a ported DC level 4 m2, or a Sundown Sa-12 on 1k, you'll love it.

mclerico83
10-24-2012, 11:04 AM
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DUAL10S
10-24-2012, 04:53 PM
Appreciate all the help on this but........I think it's going to be a much easier install if I go with a single sealed 12. The limited space is killing me on the system but that's not why I bought the truck.

Was asking about the db A3 amps vs the Massive NX5. As far as space goes I think the NX5 will be the way to go for me. So, 800rms to a GCON 12" in 1.5 cubes sealed should do way better than the bass wedge I'm using now.

Don't get me wrong, the bass wedge sounds good and clean just need something that can take more power. Then again it may all be in the cheap amp I'm using.

Thanks again guys.

pro-rabbit
10-24-2012, 07:45 PM
The Gcon will do great in a sealed enclosure. No worries there, and that is a good choice.

West
10-24-2012, 07:46 PM
If you like to hear your bass go ported.
Your welcome.

#1Tunna
11-19-2012, 01:56 AM
My sub is facing forward into the passenger's seat and the port is side firing on the opposite side into the driver's side b-pillar. You don't want the sub and port on the same side, or at least, I don't think you do. I think some people say the sub is better behind the driver's seat w/ the port side firing into the passenger's b-pillar, but my configuration seems to work fine.

Also, I don't know if you're making your box 1.62 cubic feet, but that is too big. I wouldn't go bigger than 1.5 ft^3. For port area, I think I have 14 square inches per cube, so I have 21 square inches total. To be honest, I would probably up the port area and tune to 35 if I could do it over again.

First of all, love your vid, not many icon 10 vids on youtube and i think yours is my fav.

I have a question. For what reasons would you have rather upped the port area and tune to 35?

And as for port/sub orientation. I was told that in most reg cab trucks you want it ported passenger, something about it being further from your ear so by the time it hits you it has loaded properly..Im not positive about all that but what i do know for sure is that when i played around with the idea i noticed that it definitely sounded a lot better and was louder in the driver seat vs passenger seat. Another good option is to port up.

travicles
11-20-2012, 10:55 PM
First of all, love your vid, not many icon 10 vids on youtube and i think yours is my fav.

Thank you! That makes me happy.

I have a question. For what reasons would you have rather upped the port area and tune to 35?


Well, I feel like since the port is so close to the b-pillar, then it may end up reducing the tuning frequency. Also, I don't know much about port area and its effects, but I think a bigger port may be more efficient; i also find big ports to be pretty aesthetic. And going to 35 from 33 isn't much of a difference, but I think I have more music that could benefit (be louder :)) from the higher tuning frequency. At the same time though, I have some low bass music, so its a win lose situation.

And as for port/sub orientation. I was told that in most reg cab trucks you want it ported passenger, something about it being further from your ear so by the time it hits you it has loaded properly..Im not positive about all that but what i do know for sure is that when i played around with the idea i noticed that it definitely sounded a lot better and was louder in the driver seat vs passenger seat. Another good option is to port up.

That makes sense. Now I want to make a new box! Part of the reason I did the sub on the passenger side though is because I can push back my driver's seat a tiny bit more without the sub needing room to move. I may try a new box with port on the passenger side.

I put answers in bold. In the end, I gotta say that I still crave more bass, and I dream of doing a 4th order blowthrough, but that would take quite a bit of resources.